Florida 'Muslim Free Zone' fun shop owner wins discrimination lawsuit.

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Patrol said:
Thanks, and here's how I understand what you and [MENTION=21857]FrozenWill[/MENTION] and all the other people who have faith in a Creator God are saying: the bad aspects to life are stimuli so that we can appreciate the eternal life we're promised if we place faith in that creator. I just fail to understand why we couldn't have been created with that appreciation already established.
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If you read up in the Bible under Genesis, when Adam and Eve were created by God, it explains what life would've been like had we never of fallen into sin and causing us to have lifespans, work for food, and eventually face sin on a daily basis. Like someone said in one of the comments, there would be no benefit of putting us on earth if we were perfect, we would all be the same and have no disagreements with each other, and pretty much be sinless. This is why eternal life is one of the benefits with accepting God.
 
Assuming a Creator God, before "He" created everything, there was no craving for eternal life, no suffering in eternal hell, no ups, no downs, no arising, no passing away - what I consider peace. How is creation better?
 
Patrol said:
Assuming a Creator God, before "He" created everything, there was no craving for eternal life, no suffering in eternal hell, no ups, no downs, no arising, no passing away - what I consider peace. How is creation better?
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Your asking a question that only God could answer... You would have to ask him why he decided to make everything. alot of the answers to your questions are actually in the bible which I stated Genesis is in there regarding Adam and Eve.
 
Allybeboba said:
It is/was actually the battle flag of Gen. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, and not the Flag of the Conferderate States of America. We shall forgive you though. It is a common mistake.

/cheers
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Yeah true, just noticed that, shaket you need to go back to history class haha jk.

Also, that article said stuff about CAIR getting involved in a discrimination conflict with the man when it stated he was covered under the first amendment. A little bit a bias in the article as well :/
 
FrozenWill said:
do you believe the world is billions of years old like the other evolution nerds do on TI lmao
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Yapah said:
Do you believe that the world is 4000 years old because some fairytale says so?
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Who is to say it isn't?
Time passes by seemingly "slower" for some beings than it does for others. One beings' description of 4000 may equate to 4,000,000,000 to humans.
We have had the discussion of time and gravity before. Don't you remember my lecture on "gravitational time dilation" ? I can start a thread on that if you think you guys are up to that discussion.

/cheerio
 
Roboartist said:
Volcanoes, stars, etc.
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Volcanoes created human beings or destroyed them? Same thing with stars, never seen a star blow up and create a human life
 
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FrozenWill said:
Do you believe the Big Bang blew up and created things? And if so, name something that blows up and creates things
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Well, let's see...
Any explosive material technically "creates"'energy when it "blows up".
Even the Sun is one gargantuan explosion.

/cheers
 
Allybeboba said:
Well, let's see...
Any explosive material technically "creates"'energy when it "blows up".
Even the Sun is one gargantuan explosion.

/cheers
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Tis correct but created humans is what I meant, grenades blow up but don't create life
 
FrozenWill said:
Your asking a question that only God could answer... You would have to ask him why he decided to make everything. alot of the answers to your questions are actually in the bible which I stated Genesis is in there regarding Adam and Eve.
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This right here is my problem with religions. If there isn't a plausible answer people just say "only God knows"

what kind of fucking answer is that? "God" gave you a brain, use it and try to find the answer. There is a solution to every problem.
 
Kahr said:
This right here is my problem with religions. If there isn't a plausible answer people just say "only God knows"

what kind of fucking answer is that? "God" gave you a brain, use it and try to find the answer. There is a solution to every problem.
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Then there would be no reason to have the Bible correct? If man could answer everything 100% correct, and evolution is a "fact" and according to evolutionists the world is billions of years old, then why is it taking billions of years to prove something right when it's still a theory and not proven? Cough *evolution* cough

This is exactly why we have the Bible XD
 
Cigarette said:
WWII, japanese, concentration camps..

it's actually pretty horrifying to watch things go in this direction again. It is so, SO easy to generalize the muslim community when everything you see in the news is directing your attention directly to the extremists(who, yes, SHOULD be fuckin firebombed) but many many completely innocent muslims have, and will, suffer for it.
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They were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.
Not that what the US did was morally right. We were at war. And those people could have been spies. We were fighting for our way of life.
Times were a LOT different than they are now too. In the 30's and 40's, people blatantly attacked civilians. The government did not care what the population thought about casualties.

Back to the OP....
The shop owner was not discriminating. He simply put a sign up that someone did not like. And an organization took him to court for it. I suspect that organization never tried to purchase something from him. They just wanted him to take his sign down from his property. And in America you can't do that.
It really is not that much difference than any local establishment having a sign demeaning the local sports teams' rival. If someone with that rival's jersey were to walk in, surely they would be helped.
If anything all CAIR did was give this guy free advertising for the last year or so. It probably boosted his sales.
 
FrozenWill said:
Volcanoes created human beings or destroyed them? Same thing with stars, never seen a star blow up and create a human life
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I answered your question as it was. But I believe you misunderstand how commonly explosions from stars create the things that make up what we are made of. Hydrogen and Oxygen (Oxygen made from carbon through photosynthesis; combined which makes water; that is over 60-70% of our body's composition. Multiple other elements are also scattered out, and over billions of years, they slowly come together through asteroid collision, freezing (comets), gravitational pull, and so on. The rest of these elements are naturally made through various chemical reactions that take place on earth. And yes, that's where volcanoes and various other heat sources come into play.

You act as if this is some ridiculously slim chance of happening. Yes while our earth is rare, these chemical circumstances happen throughout our galaxy, and multiple others.

Sure if you give them small time-frames, the chances of these things coming together are slim. But within a window of billions of years, it is likely.
It's like running ICC one time in hopes of the mount to drop, as opposed to hundreds of times over a period of time.

Don't challenge something you don't have knowledge of. Instead, go out of your own way to understand it, before raising questions.
 
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Patrol said:
[MENTION=21857]FrozenWill[/MENTION], you list a benefit of faith in a creator God which once again hinges on his veracity. What's the benefit of belief and faith in a creator God even if "He" isn't really "The Creator"?

What keeps me from placing faith in a creator God is that if "He" created everything, he also created all the suffering.
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Suffering leads us back to ourselves and makes us stronger. For if we have never felt pain, how can we know joy?
I will let you have those for future use.

/cheers
 
Allybeboba said:
Suffering leads us back to ourselves and makes us stronger. For if we have never felt pain, how can we know joy?
I will let you have those for future use.

/cheers
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As I see it, the end of both pain and joy is more sublime than joy. The end of ups and downs is peace (as I see it).
 
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