Faction Change

[Aradiel]

You mean of the Alliance? The Area 52 MB has it. Outtlaw has it. I won't be first. Of course I wasn't trying to be. Also IMO of the <Faction> is a stupid title and I won't be using it. Of course of the Horde sounds better. The Bloodthirsty on the other hand... That's quite a ways off without botting though.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

You mean of the Alliance? The Area 52 MB has it. Outtlaw has it. I won't be first. Of course I wasn't trying to be. Also IMO of the <Faction> is a stupid title and I won't be using it. Of course of the Horde sounds better. The Bloodthirsty on the other hand... That's quite a ways off without botting though.

I actually think of the Alliance/Horde sounds cool. But that's me.

 

[Footman]

I'm Jelly as **** of Kale's pally, definitely the rarest F2P account in existence.



NICE PIT FIGHTER BTW KALE

Mmm, definitely sat in awe as an un-geared hordeling when f2p first started watching Kale the giant roll around the field as a 1 man army. After a bit of gearing up though he became a bit less op

 

[Aradiel]

nobody gives a **** about BiS. stop talking about it. footman's analysis is right on - horde leather and mail wearers who are p2p can (and should) be wearing their class's BOA helm to make up for alliance eyepatchers



seriously, you eyepatch apologists are something else. nobody with more than 2 brain cells to rub together is going to buy your bullshit about horde leather and mail being comparable to alliance eyepatch facerolling

While most of what you talk is ****, this is even worse than your usual drivel. Firstly, we are talking about paid accounts using F2P restrictions. Obviously getting BiS for said accounts is a walk in the park, so yes, BiS matters. Infact BiS is all that matters because anyone with less than BiS, excluding a few low drop rate items, isn't taking this seriously enough to bother with.



As for eyepatches, they're irrelevant. A junk hunter will still kite the best geared warrior all day being careful to use backspace and conc shot. If he gets too close, scatter shot. Maybe throw in some pet CC for fun too. If he's feeling really pro he can strafe and jump around a little, but those last parts are just show. They serve no real prupose beyond keeping the hunter from dying of boredom with his CC spam.



This topic drifted a little from the original, but the simple fact is that if you don't follow F2P restrictions, you're not F2P. Simple. Don't like it? Fine. Just don't half ass it and then wonder why people grief you over it, which is what the guy that steered the topic in this direction was concerned about.



Now, since this is TI, and since people here know how to get BiS, BiS is really all that matters. If you want to play random junk vs random junk then go ahead, but that's not what is being discussed here.

 

[C O T U S]

While most of what you talk is ****, this is even worse than your usual drivel. Firstly, we are talking about paid accounts using F2P restrictions. Obviously getting BiS for said accounts is a walk in the park, so yes, BiS matters. Infact BiS is all that matters because anyone with less than BiS, excluding a few low drop rate items, isn't taking this seriously enough to bother with.



As for eyepatches, they're irrelevant. A junk hunter will still kite the best geared warrior all day being careful to use backspace and conc shot. If he gets too close, scatter shot. Maybe throw in some pet CC for fun too. If he's feeling really pro he can strafe and jump around a little, but those last parts are just show. They serve no real prupose beyond keeping the hunter from dying of boredom with his CC spam.



This topic drifted a little from the original, but the simple fact is that if you don't follow F2P restrictions, you're not F2P. Simple. Don't like it? Fine. Just don't half ass it and then wonder why people grief you over it, which is what the guy that steered the topic in this direction was concerned about.



Now, since this is TI, and since people here know how to get BiS, BiS is really all that matters. If you want to play random junk vs random junk then go ahead, but that's not what is being discussed here.

1. i'm talking about eyepatch wearers - leather and mail - not hunters. go re-read my post. nowhere am i talking about hunters, which you babble on about in your example which was apparently supposed to illustrate why "eyepatchs are irrelevant". yeah, you made a post on the free to play world of warcraft forums containing the sentence clause "as for eyepatches, they are irrelevant"



2.

This topic drifted a little from the original, but the simple fact is that if you don't follow F2P restrictions, you're not F2P. Simple. Don't like it? Fine.

.....what? you play a fake f2p 20 character with several grandfathered items that by definition do not follow f2p restrictions, because none of the f2p players can get them. so i guess i'll go ahead and say it: by your own admission, you're not a f2p player



i certainly don't care that you're a fake f2p, but i imagine that if a p2p saw some whiner like you whine about keeping to "f2p restrictions", he'd like to know that there are in fact non-retards like myself in this bracket who will back him up if he decides not to waste every sunday of his life fishing for a fishing hat (instead of an overpowered eyepatch that he got for free) and instead just wears his BOA helm and calls it a compromise



seriously, gtfo buddy

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

Touching only on the fake F2P point, as far as everyone knows Kale got those items as a trial and is still a trial. He's Grandfathered Free to Play, but F2P nonetheless.



I don't think anyone has independently confirmed but I believe Kale stated he is F2P and I'm sure he'd allow anyone to verify via a trade attempt.

 

[C O T U S]

Touching only on the fake F2P point, as far as everyone knows Kale got those items as a trial and is still a trial. He's Grandfathered Free to Play, but F2P nonetheless.



I don't think anyone has independently confirmed but I believe Kale stated he is F2P and I'm sure he'd allow anyone to verify via a trade attempt.

.....seriously man? yeah, his account is obviously a free account. i was using his own ass-backwards line of reasoning against him to show why he's being a hypocrite by claiming that a horde p2p leather/mail wearer using a BOA helm is "violating f2p restrictions"

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

.....seriously man? yeah, his account is obviously a free account. i was using his own ass-backwards line of reasoning against him to show why he's being a hypocrite by claiming that a horde p2p leather/mail wearer using a BOA helm is "violating f2p restrictions"

Well, I agree it's unfair that he's using grandfathered gear but if we're going to be Christians and follow everything by the book he's not breaking any F2P rules. Otherwise, yeah, both BoA Helms and Kale's gear is unfair. If it's not currently F2P obtainable it's not fair.

 

[Aradiel]

The key difference here I don't actually care whether people think I'm being fair, nor do I care what people think of me. Since no F2P have guild BoAs, they are not F2P. GF items are part of twinking. In this case, even F2P have GF items.



Just to be clear, Kale is on his own starter account, that is attached to my paid Battle.net account and uses the same login details. I also have another WoW1 account that I made a priest on to buff me and also to help me cap Halaa since you spend 50% of the time flying around doing nothing so tabbing between the two halves the time needed to solo bomb the guards. I'm happy to have any P2P attempt to open trade during a BG to confirm if you like.



Hunters are not the only eyepatch wearers, no. Obviously. I just used them as an example. There are two key points. First if something is not available as F2P then it is not F2P, Second, if you're concerned about what people think about you, and want to maintain F2P bragging rights, then don't use anything not available to F2P. Now, how you get it is irrelevant. I spent a shitload of time farming BoEs from chests. I have no problem with someone dropping a couple thousand gold on AH though. The end result is the same. Using guild BoAs and claiming to be F2P is not the same thing at all because no F2P have access to them.



In the case of mail wearers, which is what we were discussing, there is no real difference in stats between BiS horde and alliance. The stats come out to be very similar. In some areas horde have the advantage, in others ally do. A single item in a single slot is irrelevant, yes. All that matters is the overall stats, and they are quite comprable.

 

[Aradiel]

Also, just to be clear, the only whining here was done by you, you pathetic whiney little *****. You whined about the eyepatch. I genuinely do not care, however, Hazskillz was concerned about what people think, and was the one that steered this topic in the direction of guild BoAs and F2P restrictions.



Read what people are typing. Follow the topic. Don't just read one small part and get your panties in a bunch about how **** your average random junk horde player is. For your information, and believe it or not, the average random junk alliance player is just as useless.

 

[Arknoodle]

Take it to PMs.

 

[ThaCarter]

@Kale. The problem is not whether or not Horde/Alliance stats are equivalent, it's how easy it is to get that equivalency. When we premade vs premade, of course it doesn't matter because most of our stats are the same. The difference is we have to farm out chests, BoE's from BFD and LFH in order to get anywhere near equivalent stats. For hunters, you can't even get close if you wanted to. An Alliance hunter can be BiS minus AGM in a day. A horde hunter will never, ever get there. Hell 4 of us have tried for ages to be BiS (RoP) and none of us have managed to.





Also, for god's sake, stop using Seal of Argas and Demon's Band if you're using a 2H. Band of the Eastern Strand + SOA is the only way to go unless you have TWO Demon's Bands (glhf) and even then you're just going over hit cap.

 

[Aradiel]

Carter, that's an entirely seperate issue though. Since we were talking about using guild bought BoAs on a paid account, and whether or not that would still be considered F2P and people would accept it as a paid account playing by F2P rules. I do have 2xDemon Band on F2P. Of course I don't have swiftness potion recipe, which a lot of people do. The crying about eyepatch users, which I do understand to a point, the fact it takes longer to gear a horde than ally, I understand. I just don't think that's even relevant on a paid account though, since you can simply buy it all, and in less time than it would take to gear an ally.



Again, while I would never include GF gear in a comparison, simply because it's no longer obtainable, anything on my F2P account is, by definition, F2P.



So there's nothing more to add to this really. First, paid F2P faction changes are not possible. Second, anything unavailable to F2P accounts is not considered F2P. Discussion over. The eyepatch issue has been discussed before, and is not relevant here. Not that that stops some people whining about it at every given oppurtunity.

 

[C O T U S]

Also, just to be clear, the only whining here was done by you, you pathetic whiney little *****. You whined about the eyepatch. I genuinely do not care, however, Hazskillz was concerned about what people think, and was the one that steered this topic in the direction of guild BoAs and F2P restrictions.



Read what people are typing. Follow the topic. Don't just read one small part and get your panties in a bunch about how **** your average random junk horde player is. For your information, and believe it or not, the average random junk alliance player is just as useless.

are you autistic or something? did you really just rant at me for not "reading what people are typing" after you replied to my post with a bizarre, haphazard whine-fest that did not even remotely reflect upon anything i wrote?



"just to be clear" - i'm going to continue to post things that make sense, are accurate, and backed up by reality, so if it's going to continue to bother you, consider this a helpful heads-up so you can prepare yourself. put me on forum ignore if you can't handle the truth

 

[Arknoodle]

Take it to PMs.

 

[Aradiel]

Done, Ark. I am curious which part of my posts whined about anything, but I don't expect an answer. I'll simply go back to ignoring the stupidity. My mistake for trying to use reason to counter factional fanboyism. It won't happen again.

 

[Footman]

Pretty much what it comes down to is if you are a p2p, and are wanting to joing in a group with f2p's doing arenas for example, then any leader who allows an eyepatch as part of the gear will also allow certain people/classes the use of boa helm gear.



If they don't then they are biased, unintelligent, not worthy of leadership, and you should count yourself lucky that you avoided playing with someone who doesn't understand fair play and inclusiveness.



Note: I am saying my opinions on what I consider truths and facts. Cold hard brutal facts, that's the way to have a forum discussion, I ain't complaining. What good will complaining do on a non blizzard site? Just stating the facts so people know the truth.



While techinically, Aradiel is correct that it isn't "completely f2p for bragging rights".. what matters is that it is "balanced for certain classes/factions". And for grouping up for arenas or the world pvp games they were talking about a while back, balance is the only issue that should be considered. Blizzard has not balanced anything, therefore in certain small organized events, it is up to us to determine balance.



My view on what is acceptable and allowed:

Even though hardly anyone will follow any set rules anyway, it is good to discuss what is theoretically balanced and what is not. The boa helm is in my book balanced for all Horde leather wearers and mail wearers, Alliance and Horde Warriors and ret Paladins (not alliance holy palli's cause of shield). Those are just my opinions based on facts, and I'm sure you would need to discuss the rules with the leaders of twinkinfo for what would be counted as accpeptable for organized events.



This may need a new thread with input from all of twinkinfo to set up some balanced 'rules' for p2p's wanting to stay balanced with f2p's. Just for those good people that want to have the satisfaction of fighting on an even scale with all other f2p's.

 

[Aradiel]

"I am saying truths based on what I consider facts." Those are called opinions. That said, in an arena envvironment, as long as everyone agrees to the rules and follows them I have no problem with that at all. Each arena competition will have its own rules and as long as they are known to all and followed, again, that's perfectly fine. This includes of course F2P only, as well as variations as you mentioned.



As far as generally though, I stand by my original statement. Anything at all a F2P can get, no matter how difficult to do, is considered F2P. Even if a P2P simply buys it on AH, that's still within F2P rules. Anything not available to F2P is not F2P and you shouldn't be surprised when people complain about it. Note, I am not complaining, it is what it is. Just don't surprised if other people do, which was what Hazskillz was concerned about, and how this turned into a simple, no, you can't faction change on F2P to what it became.

 

[Footman]

Agreed. I will change that to opinions too

 

[Shft]

PSH Half the classes could wear full boas and possibly p2p enchants and they still wouldnt be as overpowered as hunters