F2P/Vets in xpoff-BGs

[The Saint]

I can level to 29 and have access to enchants? News to me!

My question is what exactly OP thinks he's reporting? F2P aren't exploiting or cheating or even damaging BGs. We play the game as it's presented to us.

Wanting starter accounts in XpOff BGs isn't about making the game better for others. It's about being salty that their "bracket" can't get a pop without us.

What I don't understand is... why not just join us? F2P is incredibly fun and rewarding in ways pay to play and even vet accounts are not. And given the recent changes, we're viable in PVP on ways we haven't been since Legion.

So what's holding y'all back? We have a chance here to truly redefine twinking and y'all are... salty about it? That's just so confusing to me

I didn't even say it's a bug. I didn't say I'd report it.

You could level to 29. It cost something like 20p per day.

I do play vet and F2P

No it doesn't make sense that trials can play the way they want but paying customers can't.

You want real fairness? Get rid of trials all together. Keep vets, unless you've paid at least once the account should get locked a month after hitting 20. Let's see what would happen to the 'community' then.

People on this forum think this forum is the bracket... It isn't. The majority of F2p don't have a paid account. Again... The forum is not the majority.

 

[Chops]

I didn't even say it's a bug. I didn't say I'd report it.

You could level to 29. It cost something like 20p per day.

I do play vet and F2P

No it doesn't make sense that trials can play the way they want but paying customers can't.

You want real fairness? Get rid of trials all together. Keep vets, unless you've paid at least once the account should get locked a month after hitting 20. Let's see what would happen to the 'community' then.

People on this forum think this forum is the bracket... It isn't. The majority of F2p don't have a paid account. Again... The forum is not the majority.

I didnt say you were reporting. I said OP.

But Im curious about this part: "No it doesn't make sense that trials can play the way they want but paying customers can't"

If a trial wants to play 19s, they cant. If they want to play the AH, they cant. If they want to talk to other players, they cant. If they want to enchant their gear, they cant. If they want to experience raiding, they cant. There's a ton of things trial accounts may want to do but they cant. Part of playing a trial account is about doing things around restrictions that would otherwise be easy for paid accounts.

But I get what you mean. You mean trial accounts can casually que BGs without organizing wargames or scheduling que times. While paying twinks cannot.

But you can. You'll just end up leveling. You can que casual BGs all day every day and play casual BGs all day every day. Trials dont have any privilege you dont. In fact, I CANT play xpoff ques. You can. So if I wanted the challenge, I cant do it. The idea that trials can do something you cant is patently wrong. You are actively choosing to limit yourself and complain about the results. F2P are limited by Blizzard and, for the most part, actively enjoy the results.

Folks are pissed that trials get to play their twinks in casual BGs and I get that. I really do. Everyone has toons theyre very attached to and now they largely seem unplayable. Thats distressing and trust me, I get it. I quit the game the last time BGs were segregated and the 39s bracket died. It sucked. I was gutted. So I can sympathize.

But you gotta also see just how fucking bitter this whole thread looks. "Blizzard took away my toy and now Im gonna try to make sure they take away someone elses". Why be like that? Why not adjust? Why not leave the game? Why not play the game differently? Why target other people, accounts that are already severely limited, and say "those guys are having too much fun" when every option in the game is open to you?

 

[Light]

"Blizzard took away my toy and now Im gonna try to make sure they take away someone elses".

/thread

 

[Lebowski]

Wasn't that what the evil 29s were doing? Nothing you couldn't do?

But in all honesty I don't think it's a bug. I don't think it will stay, but I don't think it's a bug.

Don’t use the word 29 on this board... you will be castrated and then crucified... the majority of people using this message board act as if a level 29 human IRL raped their mom and killed their family. People that pay for a monthly subscription to a subscription-based game where 99.9% of the content is not available unless you pay are despicable. This game was made for level 20 players that feel righteous for self-imposing restrictions upon themselves. Fuck all the cowards that give Blizzard money. Assholes!

 

[Chops]

This game was made for level 20 players that feel righteous for self-imposing restrictions upon themselves. Fuck all the cowards that give Blizzard money. Assholes!

aaaaaaaaaaay welcome, comrade!

 

[sevenohseven]

F2P/vets are basically part of the trial account feature ... which main purpose is to try the game, which includes dungeons and battlegrounds. How someone can say that it's not "normal" that F2P/vets are on the same queues as levelers ?

try the game, not play for free indefinitely. you get 3 hours to try a 110. ftp/vet is the trash bracket you can tell by all the fucking rerolls from other xp off brackets. trashy mc trashcan

 

[Chops]

try the game, not play for free indefinitely. you get 3 hours to try a 110. ftp/vet is the trash bracket you can tell by all the fucking rerolls from other xp off brackets. trashy mc trashcan

Trial accounts used to be 10 days. Blizz made a conscious decision to make them indefinite.

 

[The Saint]

I didnt say you were reporting. I said OP.

But Im curious about this part: "No it doesn't make sense that trials can play the way they want but paying customers can't"

If a trial wants to play 19s, they cant. If they want to play the AH, they cant. If they want to talk to other players, they cant. If they want to enchant their gear, they cant. If they want to experience raiding, they cant. There's a ton of things trial accounts may want to do but they cant. Part of playing a trial account is about doing things around restrictions that would otherwise be easy for paid accounts.

But I get what you mean. You mean trial accounts can casually que BGs without organizing wargames or scheduling que times. While paying twinks cannot.

But you can. You'll just end up leveling. You can que casual BGs all day every day and play casual BGs all day every day. Trials dont have any privilege you dont. In fact, I CANT play xpoff ques. You can. So if I wanted the challenge, I cant do it. The idea that trials can do something you cant is patently wrong. You are actively choosing to limit yourself and complain about the results. F2P are limited by Blizzard and, for the most part, actively enjoy the results.

Folks are pissed that trials get to play their twinks in casual BGs and I get that. I really do. Everyone has toons theyre very attached to and now they largely seem unplayable. Thats distressing and trust me, I get it. I quit the game the last time BGs were segregated and the 39s bracket died. It sucked. I was gutted. So I can sympathize.

But you gotta also see just how fucking bitter this whole thread looks. "Blizzard took away my toy and now Im gonna try to make sure they take away someone elses". Why be like that? Why not adjust? Why not leave the game? Why not play the game differently? Why target other people, accounts that are already severely limited, and say "those guys are having too much fun" when every option in the game is open to you?

Trials put those restrictions on themselves.

I don't want to level up. I have more time and money invested in my twinks than highend mythic raiders... And I could link you accounts that have ten times that invested.

Trials from year dot were in xplocked queues.

And yes OP is a huge tool. He made a bait thread and got exactly what he wanted... I'm well aware. Does that make it fair that XP locked twinks (that's what you are) get in with levellers? Blizzard could have just nerfed low level enchants to the ground.
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Trial accounts used to be 10 days. Blizz made a conscious decision to make them indefinite.

Does blizzard ever think things through though? The trials we're talking about have no intention of subbing

 

[Light]

It was bait thread cool now everyone shut up.

Whoever posts after this has autism and HIV

 

[raziel83]

No, no it makes no sense for any character that can't gain XP, that can essentially become a twink in their bracket to be allowed. not when paying customers can't.

It actually makes perfect (business) sense. What's the sole reason f2p and vet accounts exist? To coerce the potential customer into paying for a subscription. If that f2p player logins and doesn't get any bg pops, guess what, they aren't incentivized to pay for it.

The majority of f2ps would see the non-existent BG times and use that to gauge the health of the game. Why pay for a game if the pvp is dead? Remember most f2ps wouldn't even know that there's a segregated queue system. They'd take it at face value.

 

[The Saint]

It actually makes perfect (business) sense. What's the sole reason f2p and vet accounts exist? To coerce the potential customer into paying for a subscription. If that f2p player logins and doesn't get any bg pops, guess what, they aren't incentivized to pay for it.

The majority of f2ps would see the non-existent BG times and use that to gauge the health of the game. Why pay for a game if the pvp is dead? Remember most f2ps wouldn't even know that there's a segregated queue system. They'd take it at face value.

No it makes sense to let them in with levellers til 20 before they have chance to twink.. Then tell em if they want to carry on playing for free those are the consequences. Like they did for years?

We're not talking about trials here, we're talking about trial twinks. They have no intention of ever subbing

 

[SPQR]

I could of rolled with i55 rings right now if yall kept your mouth shut once up on the time.

 

[The Saint]

i know its OT but have any of you played XPon in this patch? Other than 20 I mean.... Queues have doubled, people with enchanted boas are the new twinks, 10-19 is full of throw away twinks that can literally be made in an hour, some brackets don't pop (remember I'm talking XP on) and the ones that do are loaded with exploiters.

Still think blizzard thought this through?

 

[Smn]

Its the everyone gets a trophy society.. So TBH it wouldn't surprise me one bit, if people did & blizzard actually made the change....

It sure would be a shame

 

[Freriks]

Bet my ball to a barn door says this guy never played classic

You have bad luck mate.

 

[Zirano]

Why the fuck are all you people making 29's out to be some fucking villains. I've persoanlly rerolled some vets and there isnt that big of a difference to 29's. You still have a massive advantage over levelers and it's pretty clear that the fact that vets can que xpon is a bit of a loophole.

And vets being able to que xpon does not make sense from a business perspective, it's quite the opposite tbh as it literally encourages people to unsubscribe to "abuse" a loophole. For trials that have never had a sub or owned the game, i could agree that it makes sense.

 

[Dimitri]

Realize that the whole reason behind this is post salt.
As per usual. Salty 29 gets salty he cant farm levelers and 20s. Even more salty he sunk money into his 29. EVEN MORE SALTY 20s are laughing at them. Boom birth of this thread.

Anyways, you won't achieve anything with this, heres why -
BLIZZARD DID THIS ON PURPOSE.

• I'll remind you that, EVERY TWINK IN EVERY BRACKET was quen xpon before the patch. Blizzard realized this this should no longer be the case because no more state templates. They actually payed attention to detail this time.
• XP OFF is p2p exclusive. F2P accounts have never been able to lock EXP and enjoy the luxuries of 19. We've all tried it in catac. It failed. Shit I remember trying this in WoTLk on a 10-day trial account. Being so careful not to level past 19, selling all my armor hoping i have enough for the 10 gold requirement. Only to log back in and find my character unlocked.
• Blizzard losing on potential customers. When it comes to money, you won't win an argument against blizzard. 29s farming clueless people who just want to try the game will be a big turn off to potential consumers.
• 20s dont harm the bracket. They are still at level disadvantage compared to levelers. 20s also give new goal to the new consumers. They keep playing to get the good gear. They might even pay to get the enchants. Its a chain of events that lead to more interest and higher chance to keep on subbing.

Not me. Fuck 29s. Stay salty. We won't go back.

Almond still farms 20s and levelers

 

[Zirano]

Realize that the whole reason behind this is post salt.
As per usual. Salty 29 gets salty he cant farm levelers and 20s. Even more salty he sunk money into his 29. EVEN MORE SALTY 20s are laughing at them. Boom birth of this thread.

Anyways, you won't achieve anything with this, heres why -
BLIZZARD DID THIS ON PURPOSE.

• I'll remind you that, EVERY TWINK IN EVERY BRACKET was quen xpon before the patch. Blizzard realized this this should no longer be the case because no more state templates. They actually payed attention to detail this time.
• XP OFF is p2p exclusive. F2P accounts have never been able to lock EXP and enjoy the luxuries of 19. We've all tried it in catac. It failed. Shit I remember trying this in WoTLk on a 10-day trial account. Being so careful not to level past 19, selling all my armor hoping i have enough for the 10 gold requirement. Only to log back in and find my character unlocked.
• Blizzard losing on potential customers. When it comes to money, you won't win an argument against blizzard. 29s farming clueless people who just want to try the game will be a big turn off to potential consumers.
• 20s dont harm the bracket. They are still at level disadvantage compared to levelers. 20s also give new goal to the new consumers. They keep playing to get the good gear. They might even pay to get the enchants. Its a chain of events that lead to more interest and higher chance to keep on subbing.

Not me. Fuck 29s. Stay salty. We won't go back.

Man how fucking delusional can you be, 20's don't harm the bracket becuase they're at a level disadvantage? Do we even play the same game man? Lets be fucking real here, a clueless leveler is not gonna do fuck all to a vet just because he has one or two aditional abilities. I don't really mind the fact that 29's are gone, I've adapted and rolled a few 20's so I can que some casul bg's every now and then but one thing I've experienced first hand so far is that vets stomp levelers just as hard as 29's. And I have no clue why vets play this "good guy" role like they're doing no harm to the levelers, and put the blame on 29's for ruining the bracket. It's fucking delusional and vets are doing just as much harm, if you're gonna complain about 29's then you can fuck off to pure f2p accounts or you're a fucking hypocrite.

 

[The Saint]

Why the fuck are all you people making 29's out to be some fucking villains. I've persoanlly rerolled some vets and there isnt that big of a difference to 29's. You still have a massive advantage over levelers and it's pretty clear that the fact that vets can que xpon is a bit of a loophole.

And vets being able to que xpon does not make sense from a business perspective, it's quite the opposite tbh as it literally encourages people to unsubscribe to "abuse" a loophole. For trials that have never had a sub or owned the game, i could agree that it makes sense.

Don't bother... It makes sense if they say it does. It's like a retard wiping shit on the walls... To him it's art.
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Man how fucking delusional can you be, 20's don't harm the bracket becuase they're at a level disadvantage? Do we even play the same game man? Lets be fucking real here, a clueless leveler is not gonna do fuck all to a vet just because he has one or two aditional abilities. I don't really mind the fact that 29's are gone, I've adapted and rolled a few 20's so I can que some casul bg's every now and then but one thing I've experienced first hand so far is that vets stomp levelers just as hard as 29's. And I have no clue why vets play this "good guy" role like they're doing no harm to the levelers, and put the blame on 29's for ruining the bracket. It's fucking delusional and vets are doing just as much harm, if you're gonna complain about 29's then you can fuck off to pure f2p accounts or you're a fucking hypocrite.

Were you around when F2P was introduced? That's the whole reason trial twinks were made...

 

[Zirano]

Don't bother... It makes sense if they say it does. It's like a retard wiping shit on the walls... To him it's art.
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Were you around when F2P was introduced? That's the whole reason trial twinks were made...

I mean pure f2p trials don't have access to enchants and shit so they don't clap levelers the same way vets do, there is a massive difference there.