Derailed stream thread / Discussion on past moderation issues

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You forgot the part where Shane knew who was behind the DDoS all along because "they left their actual IP exposed".

Yeah this was very frustrating to me. I was walking in a mall when I got a text saying TI was ddosed and I saw Shane's message about how he had their IP yet no action was ever taken.

I at least never saw any of that information or I would have flipped shit on living for giving my IP out long before I found out via barb's imgur...
 
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Yeah this was very frustrating to me. I was walking in a mall when I got a text saying TI was ddosed and I saw Shane's message about how he had their IP yet no action was ever taken.

I at least never saw any of that information or I would have flipped shit on living for giving my IP out long before I found out via barb's imgur...

Can't believe ppl reported that imgur ~ was fun to clear my name somewhat to get that mutt to get my name out his mouth on stream lmfao
 
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I'm pretty sure if Shane gave me a reason I'd have no problem telling you. What did your ban reasoning message from him say?

And man it was his website... If he wanted you gone that was that. I'm really trying to remember my dude and I'd only refer to the staff if the owner and additional staff members wanted you gone. I didn't have a problem with you at all so I wouldn't refer to Shane alone as "staff".
"Made myself clear." Not really helpful, is it?

About that appeal:
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You seem to imply that im angry? I was just confused by your statement as it makes very little sense keklolxd

The steam out of your ears was an expression. From your mind being overworked from thinking too hard. Getting too hot from being overworked.

A cow is a female bovine.... Thus it would be impossible to "wank off".

You all should know by now to not take me seriously.

/cheers
 
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The steam out of your ears was an expression. From your mind being overworked from thinking too hard. Getting too hot from being overworked.

A cow is a female bovine.... Thus it would be impossible to "wank off".

You all should know by now to not take me seriously.

/cheers
Im pretty sure not many people take you seriously, atleast I don't. But seeing as you are probably the one with the weirdest arguments its pretty interesting to read
 
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Im not trolling I'm just try to establish some credibility in these arguments that I banned everybody for no reason. Barb just admitted that he was using Yowzas account so that ban is justified, you just admitted that you know you should have been banned so your ban is justified.

i will admit that my creation of alt accounts after my original ban were justified.

However, I don't agree with the reason my original account was banned. Do you really think Stealthcnt was banned for for making multiple accounts? use ur brain

Although I was on close watch by the moderators, the reason I was originally permabanned on my main account was because I posted a link to linkedin.com where he stated in his biography that he runs twinkinfo, which generates him x amount of dollars with practically no effort needed by himself. He wasn't happy that I shared this info on here, and he permabanned me. it wasn't until after this that I started making new accounts that repeatedly got banned
 
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Im pretty sure not many people take you seriously, atleast I don't. But seeing as you are probably the one with the weirdest arguments its pretty interesting to read

You would be suprised, considering the death threats I have received over the last seven or so years I have been on TI.

/cheers
 
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i will admit that my creation of alt accounts after my original ban were justified.

However, I don't agree with the reason my original account was banned. Do you really think Stealthcnt was banned for for making multiple accounts? use ur brain

Although I was on close watch by the moderators, the reason I was originally permabanned on my main account was because I posted a link to linkedin.com where he stated in his biography that he runs twinkinfo, which generates him x amount of dollars with practically no effort needed by himself. He wasn't happy that I shared this info on here, and he permabanned me. it wasn't until after this that I started making new accounts that repeatedly got banned

Sorry to hear about your issues with him..

Look the only thing I'm trying to achieve in the derailment of this thread is the fact that I'm having people constantly say I banned everyone for 0 reason because I was some delusional maniac when I had tried to be the most black and white moderator and I feel as though that notion is not accurate. If you do ____ you get ____ regardless of our friendship. That's how I always tried to operate. I'm not a perfect being... I make mistakes too as you can clearly see with Arkant in an infraction that I believe had very little actual weight. However, it was merely a single infraction and I'm still failing to see how I "banned everybody for 0 reason". The entire community had always pissed on the CoC and would act surprised when they got the disciplinary action that was clearly listed for their violation.


Here's the thing. So as you guys know, I go on tour for many months at a time. I'm not so worried about what's going on with 19s when I'm out doing my shit. For the past year up until Warped Tour I had been EXTREMELY lenient in the site (I really hadn't done any moderating... ask Pizza)

While I was on tour Myrm took over.

I had read the current state of the site in my absence and posted about it in the TI staff chat saying that we need to step back up because people are being absolutely horrible towards each other. I had told the TI staff that I was going to go back to enforcing the CoC to the standard that I always had and if ANYONE felt as though I SHOULD NOT for them to simply say something and I would not take a single action. I had messaged Myrm and was not responded to. I had created posts in the staff chat and was not responded to. Reports were not being handled properly which resulted in a more seasoned moderator (me) cleaning up the messes made in the reports section daily by the new moderators whom didn't take the time to read the simple "How to handle reports" guide that Silin wrote in the staff section years ago. I admit to snapping at the new moderators about this telling them that they need to learn how to handle reports and linked them the guide because doubling the work and having someone else handle it is not an efficient way of functioning as a team.

Jamesb called someone a cunt so I gave him an infraction as the CoC clearly stated any insulting language in the form of banter would result in a ban at a minimum.

Sketchbag suggested someone kill themselves so I gave him a temp ban.

I had made a post in 20s section (which was extremely overrun by volatile death threats of people sending pictures of their weapons and calling people cunts left and right) locking down discussion of whom should be BM and showing support in the fact that Myrm had chosen BMs and the staff along with myself were sick of the 30 reports from insults and trolling coming on the subject so I laid down the law and closed threads.

The 19s section was then plastered with Agonist saying moderators destroyed the site with censorship. Then trucks of insults and blame unloaded at my front door with "mocha is hitler and banned me for no reason" yet there is not ONE SINGLE case as far as I'm aware of this ever being true.

If you were in my shoes you would have said "this is bullshit" long ago. I'll admit to being stern with the CoC, but I'm not going to just sit down when I'm constantly being blamed and scapegoated for "banning everybody for 0 reason" when the lack of evidence to support that speaks for itself.


Arkant made a good point about how the CoC had always been up to the interpretation of the moderator. That has always been the case and the moderators had always been considered to be the CoC in addition to the public text that was provided to everyone on the site. Unless you were teasing a moderator and taunting them constantly, you probably never received a single infraction from anyone on this site. If you're spiteful because your homie was banned by me for him posting someone's IRL pictures and every post I see you make is how I'm some delusional maniac whom banned your homie for "zero reason" you're not going to be making this easier for you.


If you sit here and call the admin or his staff delusional, incompetent faggots because they banned your friend, you're probably going to be deemed unfit for the privately owned site.


A lot of this "mocha is hitler" stuff started back when stubs posted valencias irl pictures and his guild mates would create thread after thread against me being moderator after Shane had warned them that if they continue, he'd ban them... And he did. Then more people would be upset that now two of their friends are gone from the site and shit talk shane or myself... I don't care for having "power" over 50 forum accounts on a video game forum. I have 0 desire to control anyone's forum voice... Agonist says I censored the community yet as Arkant had pointed out, I'd give an infraction for someone swearing yet I wouldn't remove the insult from their post. Which is it that you guys wanted? Me to censor someone's post or not? I'm told I censor everyone yet Arkant brings up how I didn't censor the insults and how I didn't do my job in doing so.


I don't have anything against any of you twinkers. I've warmly invited any of you whom may live close to a city I travel to, to join me in coffee or something when i come through. Me posting about my tours on TI and saying "tweet me or message me if you live near by and want to get food" isn't me trying to rub anything in anyone's faces. Video game vendettas to me should simply live in the video game world. I'd warmly meet any of you (Probably be scared you or Stubs would stab me or shoot me or something because you two seem to be angry with me to the point where you would actually do that) All of my social media had been public and I've even added a few people on Facebook whom I know don't like me. The issue with the community is we constantly dehumanize each other as we've never heard our voices, seen our faces, met in person. To most people I'm just a name they're used to seeing on here. To me Stubs comes off as a lunatic whom would murder me over a video game, yet I know he's probably just a chill dude in person. I can't even make a post on this site any more without being bashed or called a tyrant for shit that didn't even occur. I'm constantly blamed for banning everyone for zero reason yet not a single case of that ever happening has ever been presented because it didn't even fucking happen in the first place despite the same 20 of you saying that it's happened "dozens" of times.

I have nothing to gain from the site, I have 0 use for this site. The only reason why I've logged on in the past few days was to try to learn of the credibility in these "dozens" of occurrences of me banning people for 0 reason so I could personally apologize to these people. I want to move on from this trash and focus on more important things.

As I had pointed out, the controversial bans that are constantly being referenced are very justifiably fair.

Almost every single permanent ban I had ever initiated was out of creating multiple accounts or account sharing. Almost every single temporary ban was after many warnings and infractions and smaller shorter bans.


Everyone whom thinks I'm some delusional strict hitler whom thrives on power and order would piss themselves laughing if they ever got to know me in person. I'm 125 lbs and around 5 ft 11. I'm native american and irish. I like spider-man. Avenged sevenfold is my favorite band. I like to wear skinny jeans and combat boots. 99% of the time I'm listening to music and it's Pantera. I'm really damn good at guitar because I had worked my ass off to get there. I like to fill some free time with a few video games and I've never wanted to be the top damage cat... I've always wanted to play support. I was top 1,000 in CoD 3 back in the day as a medic. I'd much rather put in a team effort and win as a team than destroy people (which is why I don't get any amusement from arenas and I only have ever enjoyed WSG) I don't really care about what other people do as I'm too busy just finding enjoyment in improving myself and my creativity. I like to meditate, paint, write poetry, draw, learn, and play with cats. I don't drink any more and I've never done any drugs. I'm from New Hampshire but now I'm living both in LA and in Florida.


With the conclusion of this post and the lack of any evidence brought to me that supports that I had "banned everybody for zero reason" I'm going to bury the hatchet and stop searching. I'm just going to accept that these opinions are based off of 0 factual occurrences and continue doing my thing. If anyone thinks I was wrong for banning Stubs for posting Valencia's irl pictures, Kancer for repeatedly posting naked dudes, Flamer for repeatedly making new accounts, restosexual for repeatedly creating multiple accounts, Yowza for sharing his account with Barb, Nicozy for repeatedly posting prohibited material, my friend Nudge for scamming flamer, then you're entitled to whichever opinion you want, but it's clear that my actions in those permabans were justified and I'm going to stop searching for validity in the opinions that those actions were not.


So goodnight everyone.
 
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No, it is not very nice at all.
Just read this thread here and you will find some fine examples of "not niceness".
/cheers
 
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Well, GD I not going to quote that long a$$ post of [MENTION=6446]Mocha[/MENTION]'s. I did read it though. And most of what he posted is correct.
From what I(we) have observed, that when someone accuses someone else on TI of something and you call them out on it to prove it, more often than not they are gone like a fart in the wind.
Example..
TI user A: you are a stupid retard!!
User B: How am I stupid?
A: you stupid cunt! I hope you get cancer!
C: yeah, we hate you user B! No one likes you!
B: Why would no one like me?
A: you are so stoopid!
D: go away B! Go cut yourself
C: what was I saying again???

As you can see, the herd mentality just kicks right on in.
Why someone would hope someone would die an agonizing death is beyond my reasoning. And telling someone to kill themselves is borderline cyberbullying. And death threats are definately a terroristic threat. Which is a felony. Think about that the next time you do this people. What you put on the Internet will be there for a long long time.

/cheers
 
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Well, GD I not going to quote that long a$$ post of [MENTION=6446]Mocha[/MENTION]'s. I did read it though. And most of what he posted is correct.
From what I(we) have observed, that when someone accuses someone on TI of something and you call them out on it to prove it, more often than not they are gone like a fart in the wind.

/cheers

Lol ass
 
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I know a lot of people with very strong feelings in this thread and out of it in regards to this...derail. I understand the depth of the accusations being thrown around, I hope you guys forgive me for saying that myrm gave everyone on TI a clean slate and an unban, I think the morality behind that is forgiveness and that it would be only fair for that forgiveness to apply to everyone, I also think living in the past is unhealthy, especially with how things are now.
 
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Well, GD I not going to quote that long a$$ post of Mocha's. I did read it though. And most of what he posted is correct.
From what I(we) have observed, that when someone accuses someone else on TI of something and you call them out on it to prove it, more often than not they are gone like a fart in the wind.
Example..
TI user A: you are a stupid retard!!
User B: How am I stupid?
A: you stupid cunt! I hope you get cancer!
C: yeah, we hate you user B! No one likes you!
B: Why would no one like me?
A: you are so stoopid!
D: go away B! Go cut yourself
C: what was I saying again???

As you can see, the herd mentality just kicks right on in.
Why someone would hope someone would die an agonizing death is beyond my reasoning. And telling someone to kill themselves is borderline cyberbullying. And death threats are definately a terroristic threat. Which is a felony. Think about that the next time you do this people. What you put on the Internet will be there for a long long time.

/cheers

You're the biggest victim of this that I've seen... I haven't seen any of your posts being problematic or anything... I notice your posts more often than not are comical and pretty much a response to jabs taken against you randomly. I did see one mod a few months ago bring you up in reports saying he had issues with you but I didn't find any reason as to why
 
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There's no point in responding to most of your posts because you had told me how countless times I had banned someone for no reason and you fail to deliver one single shred of proof that it ever happened once.


I want to see proof.

Again you are ignoring my argument and switching tracks. I got banned for putting the moderators and CoC under public scrutiny not multiple accounts idiot. I love how Shane apparently forced you to all this shit when even he even said you over moderated.

Look how fucking pathetic you are ''ah yea bro I agree the CoC was really strict, I wrote it but I couldn't get Big bad Shane to change it because if I tried he would sexually abuse me. All these bans were justified because the didn't line up with the CoC man, I could do nothing to change it /sob. Shane was never around bro yet he influenced every decision I made on this website.''

I honestly think we should get Shane in here to confirm he forced you to everything on this site, while not being there most of the time.

Fucking snake

and you said Arkant confrimed you didn't censor anything while giving an infraction, here you go.


god you are just *edited to adorable*
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You're the biggest victim of this that I've seen... I haven't seen any of your posts being problematic or anything... I notice your posts more often than not are comical and pretty much a response to jabs taken against you randomly. I did see one mod a few months ago bring you up in reports saying he had issues with you but I didn't find any reason as to why

I know... I am the "most hated" on TI. I actually won by a landslide. Probably the only landslide polling "victory"(kek) in TI's history!!
I have actually considered changing my TI title because of it. :)
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/most-fvkkin-hated-person-ti-70048/

/cheers
 
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Again you are ignoring my argument and switching tracks. I got banned for putting the moderators and CoC under public scrutiny not multiple accounts idiot. I love how Shane apparently forced you to all this shit when even he even said you over moderated.

Look how fucking pathetic you are ''ah yea bro I agree the CoC was really strict, I wrote it but I couldn't get Big bad Shane to change it because if I tried he would sexually abuse me. All these bans were justified because the didn't line up with the CoC man, I could do nothing to change it /sob. Shane was never around bro yet he influenced every decision I made on this website.''

I honestly think we should get Shane in here to confirm he forced you to everything on this site, while not being there most of the time.

Fucking snake

and you said Arkant confrimed you didn't censor anything while giving an infraction, here you go.



You created multiple accounts hence your perma ban lol... You were banned initially for putting the moderators and CoC under public scrutiny via posting prohibited material which clearly stated no discussion to be had on the forums about any actions taken by any TI staff against any post, thread, signature, or account.

There's no arguing that both of your bans were unjustified.


god you are just *edited to adorable*Last edited by Mocha; 09-04-2013 at 04:43 PM.



This is the censorship that ruined our community?

Im dying right now lol
 
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You created multiple accounts hence your perma ban lol... You were banned initially for putting the moderators and CoC under public scrutiny via posting prohibited material which clearly stated no discussion to be had on the forums about any actions taken by any TI staff against any post, thread, signature, or account.

There's no arguing that both of your bans were unjustified.



This is the censorship that ruined our community?

Im dying right now lol


What accounts are you even talking about? I only ever had another one which I told one of the moderators to ban years ago. I would like a response to my other parapgraph instead of being a fucking coward and cherry picking one thing.

And btw I don't know why you're laughing

Arkant had pointed out, I'd give an infraction for someone swearing yet I wouldn't remove the insult from their post. Which is it that you guys wanted? Me to censor someone's post or not? I'm told I censor everyone yet Arkant brings up how I didn't censor the insults and how I didn't do my job in doing so.



Please i'm waiting otherwise don't waste my time.

You lying fucking coward. What the fuck is this?

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DID SHANE FORCE YOU TO UPHOLD THE COC WHEN YOU WEREN'T MOD?

You're a lying fucking emo faggot. Like usual Mocha you take NO accountability for your actions because you're a fucking coward. You make up these bullshit excuses for why you over moderated and censored this site to shit. Grow some fucking balls. If I was moderator I wouldn't have allowed this shit to happen on TI. I would have talked to Shane that it is important for the community to have as little censorship as possible, I would have convinced him to rethink the CoC, I would have done something. If he refused I would have stepped down from MoD for the better of the community. Did you do that? No. Again you're acting like Shane had a fucking gun to your head. You don't won't to take any accountability. ''O blame this guy, o blame him, o lets blame this person''. You are the definition of a lowlife coward. You are now blaming the CoC which you had a hand in writing, Jesus Christ. What next, are you going to blame your mother for giving you a computer to post on?


Mocha the issue here is you're the biggest fucking lying sack of worthless shit to ever exist on this site. You are absolutely delusional. By all means Mocha reply with more long fucking useless paragraphs about how I'm wrong and that I didn't follow the CoC which you wrote. Fucking wanker.



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