Derailed stream thread / Discussion on past moderation issues
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[MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION] the 10 strikes thing was a joke / exaggeration lol
Eh I think I'm done with this until anyone can assume a particular inquiry that can be taken seriously without simply going off into real life insults which I'm assuming is the result of a special covet over my life.
If you want to blame me for our inactivity in times of patterned inactivity, why did none of these people whom placed blame on me answer, respond, or participate in the multiple events I attempted to organize?
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/sign-up-reckoning-1-26-a-45168/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/stranglethorn-gulch-52891/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/what-day-week-do-you-want-warsong-pop-us-only-53368/
* As pointed out here, 19s died and 24s became active yet I still tried to retain activity in 19s and was instead met with backlash about how I should just play 24s instead.
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/weekly-wargames-53401/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/sunday-warsong-gulch-56995/
* Look at how CIHC closed this extremely functional thread ^^^
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/monday-sunday-warsong-gulch-57055/
I think most people have forgotten of my attempts to retain activity simply because it's easier to say "I can't play 19s because mocha banned my friend on TI" than it is to log the fuck in and sign up to an event.
Eh I think I'm done with this until anyone can assume a particular inquiry that can be taken seriously without simply going off into real life insults which I'm assuming is the result of a special covet over my life.
I'm not 100% responsible for bracket inactivity in a patterned time of inactivity.
My bans were and still are justified by the CoC and were of serious offenses.
This shit happened 3 years ago and my moderation for the past year was not an issue.
Be bitter all you want that your friends banned themselves, you're trying to fight opinions against opinions when there is very little to no logical evidence supporting your opinions to begin with. I think I've proven that my bans were justified and that's all I cared about making clear. You guys have admitted to banning yourselves due to actively breaking the CoC and straight up being assholes to each other and to me. Had you not broken the CoC, you wouldn't have been banned in the first place as ultimately, that's why you were banned. I wouldn't have been able to ban anyone without being able to post in staff chat the direct IP violation which is why I'm confident that my bans are justified. Also, as agreed upon by most users in this thread, I was just in initiating the majority of bans that were handed out by me. Had you not gone out to publicly bash me minutes after I had been asked to rejoin moderation, you probably wouldn't have even been on my radar. As we have made clear, my bans were justified. If you're going to let an infraction hinder your ability to play a video game and blame me as to why you can't log into your character and play, I'd say that's extremely unfair and that inability to play your twink is on you. You can't blame me for that.
@Agonist I don't owe you a single thing. You can tug all you want, but being a vulgar prick to me isn't going to get me to apologize for shit I have the right to believe was not my fault. I didn't stop anyone from logging into their accounts. It's an extraneous forum. There are dozens of community Skype calls that were, are, and will always be utilized for community organization. You also never once put in any suggestion to have the CoC revised. In logging into TI you agreed upon the terms and conditions of the site, including the following: Twinkinfo.com reserves the right to edit, move, or remove any signature, post, thread, blog, or profile at any time with or without explanation.
[MENTION=4340]rusks[/MENTION] you're always the follower. You wait for someone to sling an insult my way and then you simply agree with it. You carry 0 logical argument yourself and it appears as though you always agree with the public opinion against me simply because you don't want to be disliked. You completely failed to bring up the point how in this time of inactivity, you were one of the members whom participated in the wargames Noxal and I held.
[MENTION=1651]Saxxon[/MENTION], [MENTION=4377]Arkant[/MENTION] thank you for actually trying to keep things civil with reasonable points and deliver valid debate where colleagues were unable. I'm still sorry you feel as though I dropped the ball and it hindered 19s. I'm not perfect and with being attacked by several people within minutes of me being asked to moderate, that's only going to get things off on the wrong step. Put yourself in my shoes there, minutes within me being asked to moderate, being blasted with attacks when you hadn't even had a chance to sign in to TI yet. Dick move by all whom participated in that. Regardless I still feel as though bans initiated by me were justified and a ban is the only thing that would limit someone's ability to organize discussion in the community, despite all of the community Skype calls that have been going on for years.
My bans were and still are justified by the CoC and were of serious offenses.
This shit happened 3 years ago and my moderation for the past year was not an issue.
Be bitter all you want that your friends banned themselves, you're trying to fight opinions against opinions when there is very little to no logical evidence supporting your opinions to begin with. I think I've proven that my bans were justified and that's all I cared about making clear. You guys have admitted to banning yourselves due to actively breaking the CoC and straight up being assholes to each other and to me. Had you not broken the CoC, you wouldn't have been banned in the first place as ultimately, that's why you were banned. I wouldn't have been able to ban anyone without being able to post in staff chat the direct IP violation which is why I'm confident that my bans are justified. Also, as agreed upon by most users in this thread, I was just in initiating the majority of bans that were handed out by me. Had you not gone out to publicly bash me minutes after I had been asked to rejoin moderation, you probably wouldn't have even been on my radar. As we have made clear, my bans were justified. If you're going to let an infraction hinder your ability to play a video game and blame me as to why you can't log into your character and play, I'd say that's extremely unfair and that inability to play your twink is on you. You can't blame me for that.
@Agonist I don't owe you a single thing. You can tug all you want, but being a vulgar prick to me isn't going to get me to apologize for shit I have the right to believe was not my fault. I didn't stop anyone from logging into their accounts. It's an extraneous forum. There are dozens of community Skype calls that were, are, and will always be utilized for community organization. You also never once put in any suggestion to have the CoC revised. In logging into TI you agreed upon the terms and conditions of the site, including the following: Twinkinfo.com reserves the right to edit, move, or remove any signature, post, thread, blog, or profile at any time with or without explanation.
[MENTION=4340]rusks[/MENTION] you're always the follower. You wait for someone to sling an insult my way and then you simply agree with it. You carry 0 logical argument yourself and it appears as though you always agree with the public opinion against me simply because you don't want to be disliked. You completely failed to bring up the point how in this time of inactivity, you were one of the members whom participated in the wargames Noxal and I held.
[MENTION=1651]Saxxon[/MENTION], [MENTION=4377]Arkant[/MENTION] thank you for actually trying to keep things civil with reasonable points and deliver valid debate where colleagues were unable. I'm still sorry you feel as though I dropped the ball and it hindered 19s. I'm not perfect and with being attacked by several people within minutes of me being asked to moderate, that's only going to get things off on the wrong step. Put yourself in my shoes there, minutes within me being asked to moderate, being blasted with attacks when you hadn't even had a chance to sign in to TI yet. Dick move by all whom participated in that. Regardless I still feel as though bans initiated by me were justified and a ban is the only thing that would limit someone's ability to organize discussion in the community, despite all of the community Skype calls that have been going on for years.
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/sign-up-reckoning-1-26-a-45168/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/stranglethorn-gulch-52891/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/what-day-week-do-you-want-warsong-pop-us-only-53368/
* As pointed out here, 19s died and 24s became active yet I still tried to retain activity in 19s and was instead met with backlash about how I should just play 24s instead.
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/weekly-wargames-53401/
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/sunday-warsong-gulch-56995/
* Look at how CIHC closed this extremely functional thread ^^^
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/monday-sunday-warsong-gulch-57055/
I think most people have forgotten of my attempts to retain activity simply because it's easier to say "I can't play 19s because mocha banned my friend on TI" than it is to log the fuck in and sign up to an event.
Jamesb
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Arkant
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Having a discussion with you is even more pointless than trying the same with Agonist. You refuse to address any relevant points and go back to the same irrelevant topics over and over again.
I tried to explain the actual issues to you in a reasonable way, you chose to ignore all of it and cherry-pick small fractions of my arguments as usual. I am done trying unless you decide to stop avoiding the relevant issues.
Act as innocently as you want but you have absolutely no room to complain if the people you treated unfairly during your time as a moderator still give you shit for it. The only thing I take away from this discussion is that you deserve it to some degree.
I tried to explain the actual issues to you in a reasonable way, you chose to ignore all of it and cherry-pick small fractions of my arguments as usual. I am done trying unless you decide to stop avoiding the relevant issues.
Act as innocently as you want but you have absolutely no room to complain if the people you treated unfairly during your time as a moderator still give you shit for it. The only thing I take away from this discussion is that you deserve it to some degree.
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Dude I'm trying my best to find a cohesive point to respond to in all of these various texts from both ends. It's difficult to find the point of what someone is trying to discuss if it's lines of shit. You can DM me any time if you want to continue this... I don't want to continue blowing up the 19s section with this shit. If you want to continue discussing it, shoot me a message with a focused point of precisely what the problem is and precisely what you want me to do about it. It's much easier for me to respond to one line than it is these roads of text that you and I end up on. The reason why I keep looping back is to make clear the point I'm trying to make in one single line to make it easy for discussion. I'm trying to take out all of the extraneous shit and get to the point. Regardless, I'm done with this thread. Shoot me a PM.
Arkant
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You aren't blowing up the 19s section, Yde made this thread for a reason.
I am not going to repeat everything I said just because you decided to intentionally ignore it. You can go back and properly address the issues I brought up on page 17, or not if you prefer to keep avoiding them.
You are not taking out the "extraneous shit", you are adding it to replace the inconvenient issues.
Allybeboba
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Re: 19s Community Streams
Are you actually suggesting that since people could not post on TI that they stopped queueing on 19's?
I think other forces were at play during that period.
/cheers
Are you actually suggesting that since people could not post on TI that they stopped queueing on 19's?
I think other forces were at play during that period.
/cheers
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I don't think mochas intent could have been to harm the bracket. I don't think he should be flamed to the point of seeming like a scapegoat and that he's gotten more than his fair share of the blame.
Either way this bracket is doing great why are people still hung up on this?
Either way this bracket is doing great why are people still hung up on this?
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Arkant
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People will give him shit as long as he pretends like he did nothing wrong and they have every right to do so.
Allybeboba
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What you are saying, in your opinion, it was the last "straw that broke the camel's back".
Well, to this I inquire: what were all the other straws? You can't lay all the blame on that final straw, now can you?
/cheers
Jamesb
The OG Jamesb
I wasn't playing during that period I was on break and I wasn't active on TI anyways, I was far too young to give a shit. I doubt it was all Mocha, but if bans were as prominent as you all say I could imagine it hurting 19 ques because 19s is a low level bracket. Once you've obtained all the gear and done this and done that there's not much left to do. Drama can fill the emptiness, and keep the ques going.
Allybeboba
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If you live for causing drama on a forum to fill the "emptyness", maybe you all should be doing something other than playing WoW.
Maybe you all should be thanking Mocha.
/cheers
Maybe you all should be thanking Mocha.
/cheers
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Trialkiller
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Do you even play WoW? All I see you do is argue on these forums, never heard of any gameplay from you nor seen you in-game.
Allybeboba
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The same could be said of you I am afraid.
Pull a quote from this thread, mon cheri, indicating me "argueing". For I do not "argue". You must have me mixed up with my adversaries.
I am sure many of the people in this thread have seen me just this week. I play many different toons under many different names. I believe [MENTION=22386]Jamesb[/MENTION] saw me tooling around as an example. I have multiple accounts as well.
Have a wonderful day.
/cheer
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Pretty sure you weren't even there when it happened... Stubs (whom we pugged last minute) was yelling for me to go up tunn, [MENTION=65]Pizza[/MENTION] (leader) was telling me otherwise and to stay bottom of tunn with him. I listened to our leader and our team got collapsed on. Regardless, we still won the important series and still won the "championship" for that summer whether you wanted me to be on the victorious team or not.
So you can pretty much piss off.
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