Dear 5+ person premades against pugs...

[The Saint]

people who do this every day - day in day out dont care, they dont want a competitive game they want to win at all costs, they can see its killing (imo killed) the bracket but still keep doing it. they'll give you a thousand excuses, but the weird thing is, when you see them solo queue its normally the ones who are the 1st to /afk a difficult game. \o/

 

[Åir]

I think queuing with your guild is definitely acceptable. Like Awesome was saying, guilds need to get practice together to improve overall. As long as the 5 main is not gy farming, it's all good in my eyes. If the opposite faction can't beat them, that means their practice is working.

EDIT: If you can't handle losing against a 5 man, start a guild, join a guild, or group up with some people on RiD, not hard. Also, getting into the 19's vent will benefit anybody on the pug side, I suggest more of you do that when you're queuing.

 

[Shiromajyo]

I think queuing with your guild is definitely acceptable. Like Awesome was saying, guilds need to get practice together to improve overall. As long as the 5 main is not gy farming, it's all good in my eyes. If the opposite faction can't beat them, that means their practice is working.

EDIT: If you can't handle losing against a 5 man, start a guild, join a guild, or group up with some people on RiD, not hard. Also, getting into the 19's vent will benefit anybody on the pug side, I suggest more of you do that when you're queuing.

Sure, queue with your guild. But why queue with a bajillion against a group of pugs, usually with lots of scrubs because most are turned off by the faceroll? It literally impossible to win when this premade brings 4 healers and 3 hunters... You say they are practicing and its working? I say you're shooting fish in a barrel.

I won't take part in it.

 

[Shiromajyo]

We do it because we need practice I know I do, and so does my guild. No one wants to admit it, but we all do Queuing with 5+ people creates more chemistry between you and your guild, or realid friends, thus making you better with your group than without by default.

Ever join a band? First few times you play together, things sound like shit. The bassist is out of tune, amp's too quiet, and the vocalist is too shy to scream. But the more you play with eachother and get used to eachothers' ups and downs and lefts and rights, you learn to sound batter. The same applies to PvP, and pretty much anything - IRL or in game - that involves a team.

Moral of the story I guess is that practice makes perfect. The way I see it, as long as you are sticking to the objective and offering a fair and competitive competition, queuing 5+ is acceptable.

You could also do 5v5 or rbg's at 85 with your mates and create chemistry that way instead of killing the 19 tink bracket.

 

[Drugs]

yo, there is absolutely nothing wrong with queing with 5 people. theres a very good chance the other team will have 5+ high quality twinks on the other team, making for a good game. I mean, it's not like these guilds are queing 4 hunters and a holy paladin... From what Ive seen, there's enough alliance / horde guilds that if one guild decides to que with 3-5 people, chances are someone else is doing the same... or there are enough solo quers to balance the game. and besides, good for the guilds who can field 3-5 people throughout the day, that means our bracket is doing well. dumbass thread

edit: elf: dude you are brutally ignorant, or you are generalizing way too much. my guild ques with 3-5 people throughout the day, but we DEFINITELY are not looking for a faceroll game. We WANT to see another 3-5 people from an alliance guild to give us a chance for improvement. you obv dont get good from rolling pugs, you get good from competitive matchups. that being said, something tells me the same goes for all the other guilds you are generalizing about, save maybe WT

 

[Shiromajyo]

It happens on a daily basis. Some groups of 5+ can be better or worse than others, some farm, some win quick, some goof around.. its part of the Bracket!

Adapt and Continue to play or we must move on.

My comparison on how slavery used to be a thing and people backed it just like this abhorrent situation was deleted as off-topic and extremely racist... Here it is again, because it is completely relevant to this thread. In fact, Luna posted something about murder being apart of life but still completely wrong moments after.

I'm not here to be your favorite writer, Mr./Mrs. Mods but please don't delete my posts. And to call my comment extremely racist... To whom???

Bottom line is, 5+ premades is like slavery: its great for a few but horrible for the rest, and not just the 10 on the opposing team but for the entire 19 bracket in general. IMO go practice team in rbgs or arena. But let's just admit those that participate in 5+ premades against pugs are bad and just want to win despite the cost to the bracket just like slavery's point is to win at all costs despite the cost to the world.

Delete this and I'm done here.

 

[The Saint]

ahh so its practice, they should introduce something like "war games" for that

sorry, but premading vs flat out under geared pugs is like manchester utd practicing vs the local under 11 girls team... at some point the girls wont bother playing anymore.

 

[Drugs]

ahh so its practice, they should introduce something like "war games" for that

sorry, but premading vs flat out under geared pugs is like manchester utd practicing vs the local under 11 girls team... at some point the girls wont bother playing anymore.

dude... queing with 5 people is not an automatic faceroll... ive seen plenty of guilds que with 3-5 and get beat by a bunch of good pugs. in fact this happens all the time.

 

[Shiromajyo]

yo, there is absolutely nothing wrong with queing with 5 people. theres a very good chance the other team will have 5+ high quality twinks on the other team, making for a good game. I mean, it's not like these guilds are queing 4 hunters and a holy paladin... From what Ive seen, there's enough alliance / horde guilds that if one guild decides to que with 3-5 people, chances are someone else is doing the same... or there are enough solo quers to balance the game. and besides, good for the guilds who can field 3-5 people throughout the day, that means our bracket is doing well. dumbass thread

edit: elf: dude you are brutally ignorant, or you are generalizing way too much. my guild ques with 3-5 people throughout the day, but we DEFINITELY are not looking for a faceroll game. We WANT to see another 3-5 people from an alliance guild to give us a chance for improvement. you obv dont get good from rolling pugs, you get good from competitive matchups. that being said, something tells me the same goes for all the other guilds you are generalizing about, save maybe WT

Or they could roll with 4 healers and 3 hunters. 3-5 is generally fine to me but when I see the same guild rolling with 7 - 10 people against pugs day after day... when I only have time to try for 1 - 2 games... It kinda kills it for me, you feel me? If you're not looking for a faceroll then work harder at getting premades v premade games... You're just shooting fish in a barrel by bringing specific comps against a group of randoms, most of which include a couple scrubs at 800 hp. If you can't premade like we can't in the 19s for some reason, then go do rbg's on your main. I have an 85 Priest I'd be glad to premade with ya'll

Please don't bring the flame and call anything of mine garbage or me ignorant. I never did that to you, kind sir.

 

[The Saint]

dude... queing with 5 people is not an automatic faceroll... ive seen plenty of guilds que with 3-5 and get beat by a bunch of good pugs. in fact this happens all the time.

i'm EU so i dont know much about your bracket, but. your telling me 5man+ premades using vent are "often" getting beat by pugs?

c'mon be serious

 

[Drugs]

I called drood ignorant, but yes I feel you, and agree - 7-10 in a pug is simply stupid... I havn't seen anything like that though since LS had its peak activity. I can't speak for my guild during the day cuz im at work, but I dont believe they que with anything more than 5.

oh true i dont know shit about eu, but, yes, i have personally witnessed WT groups, TC groups, LS groups, and even my own guild get beat by pugs when they are queing with 3+. I mean, let's be honest, if a guild ques with 2 healers, a mage, warlock, and warrior, there is a hell of a good chance the opposite team (alliance) has like 5 hunters, and if they so happen to have a good healer, too, its GG, despite the fact that the one team is organized in vent. and yes, its pathetic how much having hunters can change a game... and its no surprise for alliance to have 3-5 per game.

 

[R Prime]

Funny, I thought the point of this MMO was to have fun with friends while bashing skulls ;o)

 

[JustFine]

Can horde que 5 mans, add each other on real ID.. please. The games are pathetic.

 

[Kreuzer]

Funny, I thought the point of this MMO was to have fun with friends while bashing skulls ;o)

Once Again, whether you que with 3-5+ or solo. no matter if horde or alliance, the chances of the opposing faction also having 3-5+ grouped together is very high. whether it be over real id or a guild group. Group Que's are part of the bracket. Faceroll from time to time is part of Warsong Gulch.. it happens at every level on the BG from 10-14 all the way to 85. Its how the Battleground is setup. I wouldnt say the setup is specifically for faceroll, but wth the rules of the game and the terrain setup the way it is. the possibility of faceroll games is very high at every level.

 

[Shiromajyo]

oh true i dont know shit about eu, but, yes, i have personally witnessed WT groups, TC groups, LS groups, and even my own guild get beat by pugs when they are queing with 3+. I mean, let's be honest, if a guild ques with 2 healers, a mage, warlock, and warrior, there is a hell of a good chance the opposite team (alliance) has like 5 hunters, and if they so happen to have a good healer, too, its GG, despite the fact that the one team is organized in vent. and yes, its pathetic how much having hunters can change a game... and its no surprise for alliance to have 3-5 per game.

Those small partial premades are completely fine in my book. And I love it that people are dedicated to their class. I personally made my Warlock for that exact situation

There are new guilds on Alliance that are going ham on the numbers regularly, though D: This thread idea originally came from LS bringing a full 10 person premade against pugs almost daily... but now its a new guild, I don't even know the name but they play a lot and they seriously bring 2 holy pallies, 2 disc priests and 3 hunters or more. There is nothing to be done towards winning against that unless you also have a premade - I'd bring a 8 boxing hunter and a holy pally / holy priest - watch even the finest premades crumble 1 by 1.

 

[Shiromajyo]

Can horde que 5 mans, add each other on real ID.. please. The games are pathetic.

Is it pathetic that we queue up alone or with a small partial premade once or twice a day or is it pathetic that you have to premade over half the WSG group to get your jollies off?

 

[Shiromajyo]

Once Again, whether you que with 3-5+ or solo. no matter if horde or alliance, the chances of the opposing faction also having 3-5+ grouped together is very high. whether it be over real id or a guild group. Group Que's are part of the bracket. Faceroll from time to time is part of Warsong Gulch.. it happens at every level on the BG from 10-14 all the way to 85. Its how the Battleground is setup. I wouldnt say the setup is specifically for faceroll, but wth the rules of the game and the terrain setup the way it is. the possibility of faceroll games is very high at every level.

I'm not hating on partial premades, aka the 3 - 5 person groups that you mention. I love when they queue. And I'm not hating on faceroll games either, that happens when the tide turns just right.

I'm hating on groups that bring over 5, aka the guilds that bring 4 healers and 3 hunters and 1 rogue. What exactly is that good for? Its just getting their jollies off because they have a hard time doing it otherwise is what I'm saying.

 

[Drugs]

Can horde que 5 mans, add each other on real ID.. please. The games are pathetic.

its up to the people that have horde and alliance characters to switch according to which side is doing worse... unfortunately most of them just stay on the winning faction. im sure horde activity will pick up this afternoon, its still early

 

[willix]

What exactly is the point in joining a guild when you are supposed to intentionally not play with them? The bracket would be a lot more competetive if the people who are complaining about 5+ premades just formed a guild and grouped up against those premades.

The point of twinking is to make a good character and play with it. That's the bottom line that 90% of the twinking world adheres to. The other 10% make it about 'playing with friends' and it ruins games. The average tinker making a 19 on his home server isn't going to have a group of people to throw together and call a guild. Just because you have friends, and you have the ability to create a guild with them, doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do within the context of the bracket.

These are pug games, most everyone pugs. So when you show up with your little 5 man of guildies all it does is shit on the entire experience for most of the other players. It's great that you want to have a good guild and do things with each other, but you should limit that group activity to wargames where the average player isn't being queued into what will soon be a farmfest.

I'll tell you right now that if I was in a guild that was trying to group queue on a regular basis in this bracket, I'd gquit. It's not worth watching the bracket go to shit over some lulz or time with friends. This whole 'kill or be killed' attitude towards group queuing is precisely why games keep getting worse. It's only a matter of time before the people you depend on for pops (the average guy) refuses to queue at all, moving on to another bracket that doesn't have the douchebaggery.

Get your shit straight people, do what's best for the bracket.

 

[JustFine]

Is it pathetic that we queue up alone or with a small partial premade once or twice a day or is it pathetic that you have to premade over half the WSG group to get your jollies off?

Not sure if serious, I don't que with anyone... I'm on sargeras... lol kats.

You seem to be taking the issue way to seriously, go make some 19 friends (HORDE SIDE) and que with them.
Problem solved, amen.