ohti
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This is just flat out wrong. Paladins are the worst of the healers atm.
Hpal goes oom faster than any other healer atm, that's why you'll see some using +30 mana to chest.
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Hpal goes oom faster than any other healer atm, that's why you'll see some using +30 mana to chest.
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Counsel
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Yeah a little warsong action earlier healing on my alli monk. fun was had.
Kracks
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Ah yeah gg
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vet
Why you hating
ohti
Guest
This is fact, not opinion, therefore not hate.
Neon
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If you go oom and you cannot heal on any healer class in retail 20s and you sit there doing nothing you are bad. I know holy paladin is a high tier healer because of cleave healing I outheal everyone and I am f2p do not agree with you at all. Also a holy paladin is the hardest healer to 1v1 by a longshot.
ohti
Guest
Well, no shit. The main point people make is that hpal ooms the fastest out of any healer.
Every healer is high tier, dummy. Holy paladin is the worst of the healing specs, not a bad spec.
What about both of the restoration specs?
Neon
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Most if not every holy paladin keeps beacon of light on themselves. If you use it correctly you will put out alot better numbers. Holy paladin literally has a window where you cannot do any damage to them. The solution to the mana problem is casting only when necessary (no overhealing), and getting out of combat for 5 seconds drinking some mage water.
ohti
Guest
Neon, you have no idea what I'm trying to get at...
Holy paladin is the worst out of all of the healing specs, I'm not sitting here saying it's dogshit. It's heavily overshadowed by literally every other healing spec except for MAYBE holy priest which is still better than holy paladin.
Holy paladin is easily capable of thriving, it just has to work harder for the same results other healers give with ease. Also, it has the worst DPS output of any healer unless you are a strict shockadin which means you aren't putting out heals. Every other healer does high healing AND dps.
Neon
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Holy priest is nowhere near as capable in 1v1s as a holy paladin it is the definition of glass cannon. Even trying to compare them to a tank healer like paladins is laughable.
Paladins can put up amazing numbers if you know how to cleave heal correctly. Maybe they do not put out the best numbers but they are the tankiest, have the most instant casts meaning you can prolong faking for longer than all the other healers, have a stun on a minute cd and have a bubble that makes you immune to damage. Holy paladins do nice damage maybe not as good as holy priest, imo better dmg than disc single target.
Chops
Soccer Dad
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ohti
Guest
1v1s aren't everything, in fact, as a HEALER supporting your team should be what is most important.
Oh how they use the same set as resto shamans?
I mean, pretty sure it has just as much as restoration shaman and restoration druid, I'll give you this one though because rejuv isn't really all that great for it's on cast.
This would make for an interesting test. Here's the thing though: let's say a shockadin does do more DPS than a disc priest, OK, considering they're shockadins they will have to sacrifice a lot of healing potential for more damage output. Disc priests do both healing and dps and thrive in both at the same time. Holy paladins are forced to either heal less for more damage or do more damage for less healing.
Stop looking at healers based off of what's good in 1v1s (which makes no fucking sense as a metric to measure how all around good a healer is) and look at them as all around performing specs.
It's kind of like, sure, rets are kings of arenas and 1v1s, but they're not really S tier with restoration druids and shamans because they're lack luster as fuck everywhere else.
Funny enough, one of only reasons hpal is the worst healer is because it doesn't have the DPS that the other healers have. xd
Neon
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When it comes down to a 1v1 that will affect the outcome of a whole game it does matter, how well your class can do by itself without help from others. Holy paladins are excellent support, they put out amazing heals, I never get outhealed and do 100k+ healing on a f2p paladin without enchantments.
Paladins still have more armor than shamans don't see your point.
I can literally live longer on a holy paladin than any other healing class, shamans or druids don't compare.
They outdamage disc priests saving holy shock for healing and not using it for damage. Holy shock should almost never be used for damage unless you can confirm a killing blow, it should 99% of the time be used for healing.
Stop trying to compare healers by how much damage they do that is really silly, they should be compared by what they bring to the table healing, cc, and survivability wise.
Every healer can play a role another healer cannot, no healer is the best.
ohti
Guest
I mean, realistically, other healers are also capable of this.
I'd love to see this in game, because just reading this is enough to make someone think you're out of your god damn mind.
Damage isn't necessarily a big deal, the deal is that every other healing spec is capable of thriving in both healing and dps at the same time, whereas holy paladin is not.
Restoration shaman and druid are both easily considered the best. Shaman has literally everything it could ask for in it's kit and druid has the best FCing potential and huge healing/damage output, it just doesn't have the retarded amount of utility that shaman has.
Arguing with you is stupid, obviously you haven't changed since your hiatus. Stop talking to me.
Neon
Power up like I’m dragon ball!
If all of the healers are capable of healing well than why are you hating on paladin healers?
The only reason a shaman or druid can live longer is by running away, in a mid fight they can't run, so a paladin will last longer in a midfight.
Once again you play a healer to heal and a dps to damage.
Shamans have a slow, can kite well have an interupt, you can't say that is better than divine protection and a 5 sec stun on a 1 minute cd, I have 1v1ed shamans on a paladin.
Druids heal the highest numbers of any healer and are the best fc because of being the fastest and bear form which is pretty damn tanky.
Arguing is a waste of time tbh, 99% of the time both parties views will remain unchanged.
Your right I have not changed, maybe think next time before quoting into an arguement if you dislike me so much. Peace.
sw0495
Grandfathered
a) engineering items: got myself a https://www.wowhead.com/item=10645/gnomish-death-ray that doesn't seem to work. or does it?
b) swapblaster: got one. can't think of any useful moment to use it. maybe while flagrunnning in wsg, but it has a casting time. any good use for it?
c) vanity item's: I want to get to know more of those.
zazzyfraz
GöDx
yeah the deathray doesn’t work maybe one day it will again.
you can use the swap to get up a floor or onto gy or something like that
