Civilized conversation about the health of EU bracket

I've said it about 5 times in this thread, the reason you guys annoyed me was the fact you refused to queue and BLAMED US for killing pops even though you had competent players to queue with.

Thanks for proving my point further Gurke.

Yeah but it works both ways, you all wanted us to fail/call us trash yet you are crying to us for pops to entertain you? That's what people are getting at, your attitude is so "we-we-we" and about what YOU want and only you without consideration for others.
 
Yeah but it works both ways, you all wanted us to fail/call us trash yet you are crying to us for pops to entertain you? That's what people are getting at, your attitude is so "we-we-we" and about what YOU want and only you without consideration for others.

Nobody said "We want you to fail", granted, some of us, me included didn't think it would work.

In cases like this, why not just say "We wanted to play some Wargames with the new guys." Instead of blaming us with flawed excuses?
 
You know, I would still prefer Premades or Competitive pugs, but I do think this could work.

Although, after all this I doubt anybody would agree to it.

Of course there will eventually be guild v guild premades once we get together a solid group to play you guys, no pug or mixed team can beat competitive games like that but give it time yo, we all want the same thing ultimately it's just all this bickering and arguing is hindering that kind of progress.

I spoke to Stubs last night and he said he gets it although he's a natural troll, whether he was legit or not props to him for a civil conversation.
 
Why not nut up and create a few guilds on your own instead of just having one super guild and steamrolling pugs expecting them to become godly without ever getting a chance to improve? The only chance they are getting (if I were to guess) would be the 5 seconds that they are alive in their GY before they're back into ghost form.

That would result in multiple premade ready guilds, it would require a large demonstration of leadership skills and who knows what that publicity will do for EU 19s.

Food for thought.
 
This is the problem. Why don't you limit your guesswork to US threads, this one clearly has an [EU] tag.

but what he said makes perfect sense... oh, and i think mods are allowed in EU threads.
 
Why not nut up and create a few guilds on your own instead of just having one super guild and steamrolling pugs expecting them to become godly without ever getting a chance to improve? The only chance they are getting (if I were to guess) would be the 5 seconds that they are alive in their GY before they're back into ghost form.

That would result in multiple premade ready guilds, it would require a large demonstration of leadership skills and who knows what that publicity will do for EU 19s.

Food for thought.

Im pretty sure you could say the same to RT/SR on US but lets be honest, it aint ever gonna happen.
 
This is the problem. Why don't you limit your guesswork to US threads, this one clearly has an [EU] tag.
The real problem is the lack of anyone correcting my idea as to what's going on in EU. All I'm seeing is direct support of what I have in mind.

So here's your chance to enlighten the rest of us as to how TL isn't scaring other 19 twinkers into not queueing as a result of rolling into wsg 5 deep in Skype whilst containing against pugs and how that's all just some crazy misconception. Despite TL doing exactly that on US servers last year, I must be incorrect in assuming that the gameplay that I witnessed for several months on end occurs on your home servers.

Still looking for a response to:

Why not nut up and create a few guilds on your own instead of just having one super guild and steamrolling pugs expecting them to become godly without ever getting a chance to improve? The only chance they are getting (if I were to guess) would be the 5 seconds that they are alive in their GY before they're back into ghost form.

That would result in multiple premade ready guilds, it would require a large demonstration of leadership skills and who knows what that publicity will do for EU 19s.

Food for thought.

The whole "you don't have an EU account" thing is quite a commonly used and petty argument against any suggestion or point that I make on the state of EU.
[MENTION=4850]Sputnick[/MENTION] please enlighten me if I'm incorrect in assuming what's going on EU as the truth.

Thanks for the clarification. Greatly appreciated!

Mocha
 
The real problem is the lack of anyone correcting my idea as to what's going on in EU. All I'm seeing is direct support of what I have in mind.

So here's your chance to enlighten the rest of us as to how TL isn't scaring other 19 twinkers into not queueing as a result of rolling into wsg 5 deep in Skype whilst containing against pugs and how that's all just some crazy misconception. Despite TL doing exactly that on US servers last year, I must be incorrect in assuming that the gameplay that I witnessed for several months on end occurs on your home servers.

Still looking for a response to:

Why not nut up and create a few guilds on your own instead of just having one super guild and steamrolling pugs expecting them to become godly without ever getting a chance to improve? The only chance they are getting (if I were to guess) would be the 5 seconds that they are alive in their GY before they're back into ghost form.

That would result in multiple premade ready guilds, it would require a large demonstration of leadership skills and who knows what that publicity will do for EU 19s.

Food for thought.

The whole "you don't have an EU account" thing is quite a commonly used and petty argument against any suggestion or point that I make on the state of EU.
Sputnick please enlighten me if I'm incorrect in assuming what's going on EU as the truth.

Thanks for the clarification. Greatly appreciated!

Mocha

i c wot u did der.
 
Im pretty sure you could say the same to RT/SR on US but lets be honest, it aint ever gonna happen.
I've suggested it! But where we stand now on US is actually quite nice I believe. At least though out this past year when RT would queue they would switch factions or /afk out.

RT did come out on top in the premading scene this year despite losing a few premades as well. Overall on US there are several powerful guilds now… Huge improvement from earlier on 2013.

Hopefully this is all true for this current day in age or shortly will become true on US.
 
We haven't actually 5 man group queued for weeks now :). More like 2-4 solo queueing, getting into same pops and ocassionally just talking casually in skype.
 
There's actually a magic barrier that stops mods from going into EU threads if they're from US and vice versa.

so mocha is like sooperman OMG!
 
I've suggested it! But where we stand now on US is actually quite nice I believe. At least though out this past year when RT would queue they would switch factions or /afk out.

RT did come out on top in the premading scene this year despite losing a few premades as well. Overall on US there are several powerful guilds now… Huge improvement from earlier on 2013.

Hopefully this is all true for this current day in age or shortly will become true on US.

I agree, US has improved a lot better and theres more variety in decent guilds, but you can compare them to TL, they roll into games as a 5 man group on skype and farm gys.

TL doesnt actually group que as horde is so limited that we can solo q and get into the same game and we occasionally skype for the laugh not for seriousness.
 
I agree, US has improved a lot better and theres more variety in decent guilds, but you can compare them to TL, they roll into games as a 5 man group on skype and farm gys.

TL doesnt actually group que as horde is so limited that we can solo q and get into the same game and we occasionally skype for the laugh not for seriousness.

but the US has the amount of guilds to do that. untill a week ago alliance didn't even have a single active guild, and to get one it has had to move from horde. IF we get as active as the US go for it.
 

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