[Cata] New AGM stats and damage reduce

[Drøød]

Very nice change to [item]Arena Grand Master[/item]. Now there's less luck involved when popping it.

There isn't, The use is just the same as before:

[item]Arena Grand Master[/item]

Use: Absorbs 750 to 1250 damage. Lasts 20 sec. (15 Min Cooldown)



All spell and ability tooltips will now display damage averages rather than minimum and maximum damage potential. This feature is on by default but can be changed via the Display settings under User Interface options.



Source:

MMO-Champion - Patch 4.0.1 now on Test Realms



http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Twinking WAS and ALWAYS HAS BEEN about rolling levelers you fag, its people like you that came in with your ideas of fairness and honor and fucked things up for the rest of us.



Every person who has been playing for more than 2 years will tell you there is no honor amongst twinks, your ideals have no place here.

Honestly grunge is right. If any of you claim that you started twinking because you were searching for better balance and a fairer game you are lying. It's ok to admit that we enjoy being OP. Obviously most people with XP off aren't scrubs or we would have deleted toons by now, just don't try to kid yourself and act all high and mighty about how YOU never rolled lowbies.

I hope people will understand that not everyone has the same motives why they started twinking.



Our guild was created back in vanilla and we are still semi-active, we might even be the oldest active level 19 twink guild from the EU. We migrated to Draenor and are still there. It was created to counter the alliance twink dominance on our battlegroup back in the old days. It was realy terrible unbalanced.



Hardly anyone left our guild due to the good rules and bonds we created and many of the twinks and guilds of today can take it as an example of how twinking and guilds should have been evolved, but sadly it never did and never will apperently. We came pretty far in creating this on our old battlegroup untill.... yes you guessed it, cross language battlegroups and the xp-lock patch.



The quoted above shows us that there are still people arround who messed it all up for us and are a bad influence on twinking itself. Also Semi-Twinking has always been a part of twinking wether people like it or not, it is not only BiS-Twinking on level 19 but there are also people who just enjoyed the bracket and so on. It will be the reason for me to discourage our guild to go to this site and post because several baddies are still arround who are thinking that their own motives are the ones of all twinks arround wich is wrong.



Thanks Twinkinfo but this is not the site for us to be on it seems and we never thought it was in the first place because we knew al along that these people were still arround and specially in the US. Just ask arround about exploiting and most will agree on doing it. I hope yall understand our views and motives about twinking and are different then most of you. I guess its because most of us are mature and adults, not people who copy other people their bad habbits.



Greetings and thanks to Don from Geen Fratsen Anachronos Alliance EU, where ever you are, who made the base of our views and rules.

Arvalin, GM of PartySquad Anachronos/Draenor Horde EU, IDCRLY Chamber of Aspects Alliance EU.

 

[Rivfader]

Goddamn there's a lot of brown nosing in this thread. I don't see why none of you are man enough to admit that the idea of having an OP toon in a bracket where it was comparitively easy to make an OP toon was your main attraction. It was a hell of a lot easier to make a BiS 19 than a full t3 60. I guess you are all too full of guilt to admit it. It should also be obvious that anyone who plays with XP off (myself included) doesn't twink to have an ezmode roflstomp fest, but that really doesn't change what brings people into twinking in the first place.

 

[Kore nametooshort]

Goddamn there's a lot of brown nosing in this thread. I don't see why none of you are man enough to admit that the idea of having an OP toon in a bracket where it was comparitively easy to make an OP toon was your main attraction. It was a hell of a lot easier to make a BiS 19 than a full t3 60. I guess you are all too full of guilt to admit it. It should also be obvious that anyone who plays with XP off (myself included) doesn't twink to have an ezmode roflstomp fest, but that really doesn't change what brings people into twinking in the first place.

I have already admitted that i first twinked properly because gearing up at 19 was less hassle than at 60.. what more do you want?

 

[Grunge]

I hope people will understand that not everyone has the same motives why they started twinking.



Our guild was created back in vanilla and we are still semi-active, we might even be the oldest active level 19 twink guild from the EU. We migrated to Draenor and are still there. It was created to counter the alliance twink dominance on our battlegroup back in the old days. It was realy terrible unbalanced.



Hardly anyone left our guild due to the good rules and bonds we created and many of the twinks and guilds of today can take it as an example of how twinking and guilds should have been evolved, but sadly it never did and never will apperently. We came pretty far in creating this on our old battlegroup untill.... yes you guessed it, cross language battlegroups and the xp-lock patch.



The quoted above shows us that there are still people arround who messed it all up for us and are a bad influence on twinking itself. Also Semi-Twinking has always been a part of twinking wether people like it or not, it is not only BiS-Twinking on level 19 but there are also people who just enjoyed the bracket and so on. It will be the reason for me to discourage our guild to go to this site and post because several baddies are still arround who are thinking that their own motives are the ones of all twinks arround wich is wrong.



Thanks Twinkinfo but this is not the site for us to be on it seems and we never thought it was in the first place because we knew al along that these people were still arround and specially in the US. Just ask arround about exploiting and most will agree on doing it. I hope yall understand our views and motives about twinking and are different then most of you. I guess its because most of us are mature and adults, not people who copy other people their bad habbits.



Greetings and thanks to Don from Geen Fratsen Anachronos Alliance EU, where ever you are, who made the base of our views and rules.

Arvalin, GM of PartySquad Anachronos/Draenor Horde EU, IDCRLY Chamber of Aspects Alliance EU.

i wasn't always so jaded. but after personally taking my time to gear more than 50 toons to perfection for other people, numerous people getting paid transfers to my server only to go inactive in about a month, people backing out of gear trades and deals once i had transfered, having to constantly berate and remind my guild and the other people on my BG not to farm the gy, im convinced that a large part of the community is comprised of incompetent people looking for a free ride. You've run a guild for a long time, you must have some idea of what im talking about.



edit: and just because i say that twinking is about rolling the undergeared doesnt mean that thats the mentality i approach the game with. I play to win and i dont give up. I've always been that way, ever since my first GM taught me how make a 19 correctly.

 

[Rivfader]

I have already admitted that i first twinked properly because gearing up at 19 was less hassle than at 60.. what more do you want?

I'm looking for you (and every other twink) to admit that every time they entered a PuG WSG they KNEW that they had an unfair advantage over the average leveler and that it was, and still is, unreasonable to expect levelers to put in the effort that we have. I'm looking for people to stop using the argument that the 60 bads do "Hey the gear is available, why don't you go get it". Pre XP lock nothing about us was fair or honorable.

 

[Nohealsforju]

I'm looking for you (and every other twink) to admit that every time they entered a PuG WSG they KNEW that they had an unfair advantage over the average leveler and that it was, and still is, unreasonable to expect levelers to put in the effort that we have. I'm looking for people to stop using the argument that the 60 bads do "Hey the gear is available, why don't you go get it". Pre XP lock nothing about us was fair or honorable.

Well idk about you when i First started twinking i just went after other twinks if their weren't any i would end up fighting levelers. But killing was just what i did half of the time the other half i was playing CTF. I loved entering a game when it was 2-0 and alliance was GY farming it was easy for me to just stealth get flag and run right back into the base. Since they were all to busy fighting i would end up passing the flag to a random person and kill the Noob Carrying the flag... then it would be 2-1. By then alliance would try to play the game but it was to late since horde would have a strong defense... Now enough about me turning the tide of a random game before XP lock.



Ya then when the time limit was instituted it wasn't the same since people would play defensively people would still GY farm but since they were on a time limit they could just cap 1 flag and GY farm. Even with the Debuff they could just drop and regrab. Ya i feel bad though i think i made a few people quit since i would be able to one shot people left and right and i was practically unstoppable. Often times 2 of my friends would join so it would be 3 twinks a healer a mean DPS (my rogue) and a beefy tank (warrior friend). Before all the enchanting nerfs i was beast. But now my rogue is now useless .



TL;DR You see when i first started it was about revenge then it became about winning games and helping levelers.

 

[Kore nametooshort]

I'm looking for you (and every other twink) to admit that every time they entered a PuG WSG they KNEW that they had an unfair advantage over the average leveler and that it was, and still is, unreasonable to expect levelers to put in the effort that we have. I'm looking for people to stop using the argument that the 60 bads do "Hey the gear is available, why don't you go get it". Pre XP lock nothing about us was fair or honorable.

Ofc i knew i had an advantage over levelers, however i would argue that it was to their advantage. Having a twinked out druid on you team increases your teams enjoyment since they stay alive/ keep the flag longer with the driud on their team. A druid isnt goingto rofl stop anyone. Sure if a leveler tried to take me 1v1 he would obvously fail in as much time as it takes to get 4 wraths off, but i wasnt 2shotting or globaling any levelers. I was more of an asset t my team than i was a negative towards the enemy team.

As stated before, wow is an arms race, no matter what level, so it is unreasonable to expect people to not gear up. Also leveling gear is rubbishfor pvp, even vs other levelers. Obviously there was an unfair bias for twinks before the XP lock, though its untrue to say that our sole motivation was to be overpowered. Also, [insert comment about endgame pvp being unfair and unhonourable here].

 

[Lawlpurge]

lmao i proved you little theory wrong and you have nothing else to say, sorry i like fighting equally geared players, guess im just a better person than you. Now go roll levelers that have no chance to fight back.

Are you FUCKING kidding me bro? Riv will wipe the floor with you. As far as I remember us back in Cyclone focused on premades and fighting other twinks, not level 12s, you pathetic failure. Oh also my 2c: I spent a solid two months getting BiS for my twink, and it's a source of pride for me to say i have the best available. Any real twink, ( yes this is what a REAL twink is) will spend those endless weeks fishing, not satisfied until LFH drops; will grind out the chain for Jutebraids, why? Because they are the BEST AVAILABLE. Fuck your full set BoAs that will make twinking "more accessible". The only twinks we need are the ones we have now, this ain't about diversity, the ones who are here with perfect twinks now don't deserve to be overrun by every Tom and Mary who think this bracket is a joke, and come in here with their Cata BiS (BoAs). Fuck cata, fuck ezmode gearing up. /rant

 

[Rivfader]

I miss you lawl, what twink are you playing now?

 

[Nutrun]

Are you FUCKING kidding me bro? Riv will wipe the floor with you. As far as I remember us back in Cyclone focused on premades and fighting other twinks, not level 12s, you pathetic failure. Oh also my 2c: I spent a solid two months getting BiS for my twink, and it's a source of pride for me to say i have the best available. Any real twink, ( yes this is what a REAL twink is) will spend those endless weeks fishing, not satisfied until LFH drops; will grind out the chain for Jutebraids, why? Because they are the BEST AVAILABLE. Fuck your full set BoAs that will make twinking "more accessible". The only twinks we need are the ones we have now, this ain't about diversity, the ones who are here with perfect twinks now don't deserve to be overrun by every Tom and Mary who think this bracket is a joke, and come in here with their Cata BiS (BoAs). Fuck cata, fuck ezmode gearing up. /rant

I think this very angry man is evidence this thread should be locked.

 

[Hamcake]

I think this very angry man is evidence this thread should be locked.

No thread should be locked.

 

[Luhar]

Are you FUCKING kidding me bro? Riv will wipe the floor with you. As far as I remember us back in Cyclone focused on premades and fighting other twinks, not level 12s, you pathetic failure. Oh also my 2c: I spent a solid two months getting BiS for my twink, and it's a source of pride for me to say i have the best available. Any real twink, ( yes this is what a REAL twink is) will spend those endless weeks fishing, not satisfied until LFH drops; will grind out the chain for Jutebraids, why? Because they are the BEST AVAILABLE. Fuck your full set BoAs that will make twinking "more accessible". The only twinks we need are the ones we have now, this ain't about diversity, the ones who are here with perfect twinks now don't deserve to be overrun by every Tom and Mary who think this bracket is a joke, and come in here with their Cata BiS (BoAs). Fuck cata, fuck ezmode gearing up. /rant

well its a good thing cata will destroy everything you like about twinking, aww boo hoo how sad



oh, and calm down nerd

 

[Scrounger]

I'm looking for you (and every other twink) to admit that every time they entered a PuG WSG they KNEW that they had an unfair advantage over the average leveler and that it was, and still is, unreasonable to expect levelers to put in the effort that we have. I'm looking for people to stop using the argument that the 60 bads do "Hey the gear is available, why don't you go get it". Pre XP lock nothing about us was fair or honorable.

Certainly I understood that I had an advantage over the average player in 19 WSG. That advantage included a number of things including gear, experience, user interface, and perhaps hardware/connection. Unfair, I don't really think so - but I suppose that comes down to how one defines fair.



Regardless, my objective was not to pwn other players, farm honor, rack up damage or KBs - I played to win. The other side generally had well geared, experienced players. In order to compete, I did the same.

 

[Scrounger]

Clearly a BiS twink that is well played is a force to be reckoned with, especially in the 19 bracket. However, any player with half a brain can achieve most of the effectiveness of that BiS twink if they know how to play their class and make a modest investment in time / gold (even before BoAs).



Sure, you may not be able to win a duel vs that BiS twink - but WSG is a team game. A well timed frost nova from a level 11 mage in crappy greens can be the difference between a W and an L..

 

[Kore nametooshort]

No thread should be locked.

Too bad, I'm locking it. Too much angst and this "discussion" is going no where other than towards a flame war. Its also very off topic. If you want it reopened you'd better come up with a good reason.