Bracket is way more broken next patch

[Bestasky]

I think 24's are much like the existing 19,29,39 twinks, and f2p's are the levelers. The f2p cries here are no different than the QQ twink posts we saw all over the official forums years ago, and the argument for "twinks" having 'no skill' and 'failing at end game'; they haven't changed either

It is my belief that 90% of 24's are failed players at higher brackets or PVP in general.........(ofc simular thing goes for f2ps' but we're not discusing them now)

Maybe a bunch of you old 19's are over comparing your twinking in the old brackets with this one..........a mistake.

You see in 60's or 70's brackets everyone had to be p2p and had the same opportunities so there were no differences between players.....while f2p bracket is designed for trial accounts - and it all comes down to choice wether you stay in f2p restrictions or not........so a bunch of you justifying bullshit like ''i pay so i have the right'' or ''well why don't you pay also and have the same privilages as we''..........are well...........petty

Your choices come with consequences ..meaning if you roll a p2p in a f2p bracket noone will see you as fair,skilled,respected,etc......and no !it doesn't matter wether you care about those things or not..........all comes down to the fact that your actions (choices you make) speak for themselves....and not a bunch of half empty words on these forums.....

And all of your words put together can't deminish that fact !!!

 

[Mesikämmen]

while f2p bracket is designed for trial accounts

Wrong. 20-24 bracket is a xp-lock bracket. Xp-locked brackets were made for xplocked toons (p2p twinks who locked their xp) before there was unlimited trial. So if anything, 20-24 bracket was made for p2p twinks. The fact that trial accounts are what makes the bracket alive doesn't mean it's designed for them

 

[Kilda]

f2p bracket is designed for trial accounts

That's where we disagree. (hope u ain't trolling here)

If the f2p bracket was designed for trial accounts then you would be pooled only with others with the same restrictions..

The locked xp 20-24 bracket, like every other sub bracket, was created solely for twinks! (check the 19 twink NPC in org/stormwind who talks about LFH and nethercleft leg armor).

You are right when you say trial accounts keep the bracket alive but you are very wrong thinking the bracket was designed for trials.

The only argument which f2p has to rely on is about how 24s who knowingly play at an advantage won't be respected or considered a good player... You say 90% fail at end game, but 99% don't care about respect or for the opinions of trials.

I'm not saying I dont care, but you're definitely wasting your time trying to convince 24s that what they do is bad or disrespectful. I am very much in favour of creating a more balanced bracket but it requires effort from everyone and it just ain't gonna happen

 

[danny glover]

This game has been awful since the cata prepatch hit. Anyone who says otherwise is in serious denial.

 

[Bestasky]

Wrong. 20-24 bracket is a xp-lock bracket. Xp-locked brackets were made for xplocked toons (p2p twinks who locked their xp) before there was unlimited trial. So if anything, 20-24 bracket was made for p2p twinks. The fact that trial accounts are what makes the bracket alive doesn't mean it's designed for them

Ok, imagine that sentence without the word ''designed''.................

 

[Bestasky]

That's where we disagree. (hope u ain't trolling here)

If the f2p bracket was designed for trial accounts then you would be pooled only with others with the same restrictions..

The locked xp 20-24 bracket, like every other sub bracket, was created solely for twinks! (check the 19 twink NPC in org/stormwind who talks about LFH and nethercleft leg armor).

You are right when you say trial accounts keep the bracket alive but you are very wrong thinking the bracket was designed for trials.

The only argument which f2p has to rely on is about how 24s who knowingly play at an advantage won't be respected or considered a good player... You say 90% fail at end game, but 99% don't care about respect or for the opinions of trials.

I'm not saying I dont care, but you're definitely wasting your time trying to convince 24s that what they do is bad or disrespectful. I am very much in favour of creating a more balanced bracket but it requires effort from everyone and it just ain't gonna happen

Ok, jsut leave out the word ''designed''.............fact of the matter is and will be that 24's are an exploit to the bracket.....

 

[Kilda]

Ok, jsut leave out the word ''designed''.............fact of the matter is and will be that 24's are an exploit to the bracket.....

Look, I do understand your point. 'F2P bracket' existed long before 24 knew about it and came to pollute the BG's... However 20-24 existed to locked players long before f2p came along, and it just so happens that trials max level is 20.

Imagine 25-29 was in fact really popular (like US, had pops), then Blizz raised the max level of f2p to 25, you would be pooled in a TWINK bracket then? or would you claim 25-29 as a 'f2p bracket' as well?

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Back in the day the gap between the real twinks and those levelers wasnt so huge(compared to the gap between today's f2p's and p2p's) even if the lvl distance was 1-9 and there was no scaling. You can't argue me on this one. The today's enchants that p2p's have access to, are gamekillers thus, there's a huge gap between p2p's and f2p's, and the scaling only helped a bit.. it was an insignifiant move i might say.

Now, why do ppl chose to play the today's "so-called-twinks"? I've said it(you've said it) already for the huge advantage you have as a p2p. Why they need such advantages? That's human psychology and i'd say alot on this subject but.. i might offend way too many ppl and.. there's no point for this since it would solve nothing. Most "regulars" of TI are so addicted to their inner-jerk-circles that it's pointless to debate with them cuz they really seem braindead imo. Hope they're braindead only on "internetz" like my sugartits Junoo likes to use as an escape route every time he is cornered.

Also, i believe F2P's are entitled to consider this bracket their own. Why? Because until the Starter Accounts launch, there was no 20-24 bracket with P2P XP Locked Heroes, am i right?

Even if Blizzard will lock the bracket as 20 only, the P2P pests will come as 20's P2P for easy "pwning". The only real solution is to lock F2P Battlegrounds to F2P accounts only but we know that will never happen.

Try to read this topic from the start and see how many times those "braves" as TheSaint and his 19's crew are contradicting each-other, are changind subjects and so on, every time they're stuck. That's sad imo, it's sad to pretend to be someone that you're not, sad to defend imaginary things and sad to deny the present state of things but.. it's allowed since we're all on some virtual space.

I'd really like to talk these things face to face having a beer with all those "friends" i've made on this forum lately.. if.. if their age allows them beers. Sadly, this won't happen and trolls will remain trolls, right TheSaint?

God, you really forgot about the facts we were litterally 1 shotting levelers back then? and you call yourself an oldschool twink?

And why dont you ask me for my reason why i play p2p and twink? keep on generalising and telling that others are braindead whilew you can only look from 1 side.

The solution for the problem is to start paying like p2p.

Again, you generalising me as 19 crew and i am not contradictive. You are just having a reading problem and a brain problem. You are only looking from the poor trial side. I stated facts and i only brought facts when it was needed and make corrections to peoples view. I leave my own opinion out of it.

Ah now the monkey comes out of his sleeve. You drink to much beer. I thought you were just plain stupid and retarded. Beer it is I am sorry.




Now I am done with this, not gonna deal with any of this, I might even going to state my own opinions then.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Yes, we would be pulled into an ex-twink bracket then. An active(as you say) and very old twink bracket(even if the new splittings messed things up a little). We couldn't claim to be ours even if the claim is somehow relative cuz noone can caim a thing. The so called-twinks never existed in 20-24 before the F2P's. 20-24 was another bracket where you could lock your xp and play with others with same locked XP. Now, why they didnt do it until trial accounts showed up? Well, you know already the answers

Aaaaaaaask me why... dont generalise!

 

[CripzBlood]

Aaaaaaaask me why... dont generalise!

cuz it was dead...


if lvlcap of trials was raised to lvl25 we would revive 25-29bracket, same things as 20-24bracket, trials maked pops happen, and brought more activity from p2ps.


the solution like u said can be everyone going p2p, or everyone going f2p, i think everyone going f2p would be better and cheaper

 

[Drayner]

It is my belief that 90% of 24's are failed players at higher brackets or PVP in general.........(ofc simular thing goes for f2ps' but we're not discusing them now)

I never failed at end game pvp, I just chose not to play it much. I am not an arena player, I don't want to be an arena player... I prefer battlegrounds. I've done less arena than probably anyone that plays this game.

Maybe a bunch of you old 19's are over comparing your twinking in the old brackets with this one..........a mistake.

I compare the 20-24 bracket to the old vanilla/BC 19 bracket. Where a 19 twink (24 P2P) on a team could impact the game. You could come into a game on your 19 Twink (P2P 24) and be down 0-2 and you could join the levelers (20 F2P) and help rally the team to a 3-2 comeback. That is how i see this bracket. We, the P2P players are the twinks and the F2P players are the levelers. Although, this comparison is how I see it now, the F2Ps are not as poorly geared as the levelers were back in the day and they are typically more skilled than the levelers were too.

..while f2p bracket is designed for trial accounts

LOL. Designed for the F2P bracket. LOLOLOLOLOLLLLLL. Blizzard created the 20-24 bracket for trials? LOL. Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about you or the 20-24 bracket.

Your choices come with consequences ..meaning if you roll a p2p in a f2p bracket noone will see you as fair,skilled,respected,etc......and no !it doesn't matter wether you care about those things or not..........all comes down to the fact that your actions (choices you make) speak for themselves....and not a bunch of half empty words on these forums.....

I don't give a flying fuck if anyone respects me, considers me skilled, etc... Those that have been around a while know this already.

PS. This thread has brought so many new arguments into the light. /wink wink

 

[Drayner]

Now, let's pretend that f2p's were not capped at 20, ok? Let's suppose F2P's were capped at ... 16 or 67.. or whatever. You would always join in. Why? Because of activity, because easy games where you stomp everyone and you oneshot clueless backpeddling Jaja's, because it makes you feel better and helps your sad e-Peen and so on. You want to prove me wrong, start playing by F2P's restrictions AS I DID, as others DID, then you can talk with me and make me crazy, stupid, drunk.. whatever. Man up, get out behind your mom's skirt(those gay enchants) and prove me your worth. You want respect? That's why you suffer so much? Earn it.

You don't like this option? Ok, you have another one, crawl back to your 19's and stay there forever.

Until then, just stfu.

Hope i was clear enough.

You seem mad. Are you mad?

 

[Drayner]

No, i'm calm as the sea on a sunny summer day, why? Truth hurts?

The truth is the truth and it doesn't hurt one itsy bitsy bit.

 

[Oliks]

I think comparing 24s to 19s is a fair comparison.. Even though, imo, 19s in vanilla/bc and some of wotlk (b4 everyone had heirlooms) were a lot more OP than 24s are to trials.
Even though 24s a lot more OP than 20s

 

[Drayner]

Even though, imo, 19s in vanilla/bc and some of wotlk (b4 everyone had heirlooms) were a lot more OP than 24s are to trials.

Exactly. I agree 100%

F2P 20s are much closer in regards to gear to 24 P2Ps than levelers were to 19 twinks.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

I don't really remember this. Maybe because i wasnt focused of oneshotting levelers? Because burst then wasn't exactly the burst it is today? Maybe because enchants are not so gay like they are today?

You are mistaken. level 10s with 200-400 health or level 20s with 400-600 health.. were easy 1 shotted. Even at the max level of a bracket. People had NO gear, we were maxed out like hell.

As for the rest of your post, i suppose you're trying hard to offend me. "I suppose", because i really don't understand the logic behind those rows and tbh, i don't even want to, i suppose it's another round of bullshit and suffering.

Exactly, you dont want to understand... its the whole problem. And you insult over and over.. now it was my turn.

Now, let's pretend that f2p's were not capped at 20, ok? Let's suppose F2P's were capped at ... 16 or 67.. or whatever. You would always join in.

And here we go again assuming i would play even vs high level f2p.

Why? Because of activity, because easy games where you stomp everyone and you oneshot clueless backpeddling Jaja's, because it makes you feel better and helps your sad e-Peen and so on.

Generalising. No comment!

You want to prove me wrong, start playing by F2P's restrictions AS I DID, as others DID, then you can talk with me and make me crazy, stupid, drunk.. whatever. Man up, get out behind your mom's skirt(those gay enchants) and prove me your worth. You want respect? That's why you suffer so much? Earn it.

You have no clue. Stop generalising. I am totally not one of the founders of the Aerie Peak free to play community and .. nope i never made any trials at all right??? just you a person who started as p2p and switched to f2p while i did so many things for f2p and started to play that from the start... keep on dreaming and making up your own stories.

I have paid sub, it's an active sub, i'm playing on it, so, you can't give me that WE PAY we have the right crap. No, you're just hypocrites, all of you, in fact, you those that defend this crap so much trolling over and over on the forums,you're kids, that's all.

I just brought facts not stating my own opinion. I have also 2 trial accounts with 7 f2p twinks... blablabla generalising.

You don't like this option? Ok, you have another one, crawl back to your 19's and stay there forever. Or you got bored already of "containing"? In those 2-3 pops/evening?

I have allready explained this stuff.

Until then, just stfu.

Insulting me is what me keep comming to this thread. You do it so much but you are so wrong about me and like you said you dont want to understand.

Hope i was clear enough.

Yes you made it very clear you are just looking from your own side...again and ignoring what was said. No surprise.

 

[Drayner]

Furthering this age old discussion, I believe the angry F2Ps are misguiding their anger.

I will preface this by reiterating that I don't give a holy eff what any F2P or P2P thinks of my skill or ethics.

The anger of the F2P would be more suited towards the following (instead of the P2P 24s)

- The true F2P levelers... The ones that are playing for the 1st time. The people trying out World of Warcraft. The join a bg with 1100 HP in quest greens.
- The players that don't play together as a team. Whether that be because of a language barrier or them just wanting to fuck off mid all game.
- The 24s that queue up 5-10 at a time.

Let's be honest here, there are dozens of US F2P players that I love playing along side as I solo pug. There are 24s that I see on my team that I wish would afk, but you have to get what you are dealt and make the best of it.

 

[The Saint]

i can't even be bothered to respond to most of this, but..... there's no f2p bracket, get that out of your heads. there's the 20-24 locked xp bracket.
Bestasky, p2p are an exploit to the bracket? ok lets play it your way... f2p are an exploit to a blizzard marketing campaign. WoW was never designed to be f2p friendly, hence the restrictions enforced on them. there's a very simple way to get round f2p restrictions... PAY.

then you lot can "fail at endgame like 24s" instead of just failing at 20s .

have a nice day.

oh and [MENTION=2465]Achmed[/MENTION], leo and i played f2p before you knew it existed, and i still do. but i'm going to play 24s too. deal with it!

 

[l30t53dd6p]

See you're clueless? My f2p was made way before the p2p was made, check it on the internet. You've seen me stating that you don't have F2P's? No. I'm blaming you all for joining and sustaining this 24 bandwagon of jokes.

Playing a 24 you have no excuse, none, i've seen myself the dmg you can do to a bracket when playing that rogue in times when the Gap wasnt so large p2p/f2p. Now it's even worse and you can't deny it.

Like i've said it already, you're stating facts, i'm stating facts. You don't consider mine as facts, no doubt, i understand you since you're playing both sides even if you know it's wrong and i'm right.

God.. now you just take the 1 thing about my post which i was wrong about, dodge everything else, to start the bull again. And please.. that blaiming me for making 24s and putting that you played 24 in 1 post makes it silly. Like you are the angel from heaven.

You have a bad insulting way of letting me know you understand me.

 

[Drayner]

Ok, let's all be friends and end this here.

This thread should have ended 20+ pages ago.