EU+US Bracket integration next xpack

[Veechard]

This is the main reason I've stopped putting time into my 110 and why I haven't created any other ones. They're essentially on a time bomb for ipvp, they're going to be useless as soon as the next expansion hits.
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This is so wildly misinformed and wrong it's not even funny.


Wrong again. You can tell now, nothing to wait on.

Lmao, how can you tell now? 110s are not getting scaled to 119 in pvp till next xpack. In which case we have no clue how their secondaries will play out.

What we do know is clearly based on warglaives screen shots of 111 inside and outside BGs, the loss of secondaries is dramatically different than how say a 60 twink/ 80 twink secondaries go down in iPVP (not a lot maybe 10%)

How could that be if all examples are close to bottom of the bracket? 111 is bottom of 111-119 bracket and gets almost 50% loss in secondaries. While say a 60 twink only loses maybe 10%?

Because at 111, blizzard starts deciding that you need to be tuned down in pvp, because they give you a large jump, in this example gems and enchants. And unfortunately they just do it all at once instead of gradually. We can see this with how gems all of a sudden jump from up 4x.

There is 0 reason why my 101, 60, 80 and list likely goes on, all receive roughly a 10% overall secondary stat nerf when put to max level in IPVP, and 111 takes almost a 50% overall hit. Only explain is that 111 you breached into a different plane of stat scaling within IPVP

 

[Warglave]

You again don't want to hear.

[doublepost=1552012170,1552011622][/doublepost]Hey veech… how come your 101 doesn't have like 100% mastery and all the ridiculous secondaries we did in legion?

Secret magic ninja nerf? Or a very clear and announced change to level scaling?

Ok... now how come it ever DID? Because...…. things scaled differently at cap? Or secret magic ninja buff?

 

[Veechard]

Stat squish dummy. Duh

That’s not what I’m talkin about. I’m talking about blizz realizing if they don’t tune down how secondaries scale for 111 in BGs, they would be too OP.

But 110s not falling into that category

Nothing more

 

[Warglave]

That’s not what I’m talkin about.

YES IT IS.

There is 0 reason why my 101, 60, 80 and list likely goes on, all receive roughly a 10% overall secondary stat nerf when put to max level

 

[Veechard]

YES IT IS.

Nothing to do with the topic. That is said and done.

This is asking why 111 clearly get mega tuning in iPVP. Which you have yet to address

 

[Warglave]

Wow.

Just wow.

You really shouldn't give any more advice to anyone on anything ever here. You're clearly not ok with reality.
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how come your 101 doesn't have like 100% mastery and all the ridiculous secondaries we did in legion?

Stat squish dummy. Duh

There is 0 reason why my 101, 60, 80 and list likely goes on, all receive roughly a 10% overall secondary stat nerf when put to max level

Nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Veechard]

Wow.

Just wow.

You really shouldn't give any more advice to anyone on anything ever here. You're clearly not ok with reality.

Are you fucking slow?

You asked why 101s have half the secondaries as they did in legion. Because of the EXPANAION PACK STAT SQUISH.

And then directly after you quote about me talking about how my 60, 80, and 101 get a 10% IPVP STAT SQUISH

EXPANAION PACK STAT SQUISH
IPVP STAT SQUISH

two totally separate things dude

 

[Warglave]

two totally separate things dude

No. It's not.

Are you fucking slow?

 

[Veechard]

No. It's not.

That’s is 2 totally different things. Everyone got their stats nerfed in xpack

And when your bottom of BG bracket, and get scaled up to max level, it’s a stat nerf

How the fuck are those two things anything to do with each other?

I don’t know why I go on with this. I’ve given a perfectly good reason why I think 110 won’t get their secondaries nuked as much as 111 because of the clearly hidden nerf 111 get because of the apparent buff they get with gems and chants
[doublepost=1552013148,1552013051][/doublepost]All you have to say is, that could be, but they could also fall into the same stat scaling that 111 into. Im not even asking you to give a reasoning why. Lmfao.
[doublepost=1552013198][/doublepost]But your probably typing some bitch ass shit right now as I type this

 

[Warglave]

That’s is 2 totally different things. Everyone got their stats nerfed in xpack

And when your bottom of BG bracket, and get scaled up to max level, it’s a stat nerf

How the fuck are those two things anything to do with each other?

BECAUSE AT 10-109 THE STATS GOT SQUISHED.
SO WHEN YOUR 101 IS LEVELED TO 109 THERES ONLY "10% DIFFERENCE" BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

BETWEEN 101 AND 109. OUTSIDE. CUZ STAT SQUISH.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND CAPS?!? I DOUBT IT. I'VE LITERALLY TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE.

But your probably typing some bitch ass shit right now as I type this

Yes, simple fact. I'd understand your distaste.

 

[Veechard]

BECAUSE AT 10-109 THE STATS GOT SQUISHED.
SO WHEN YOUR 101 IS LEVELED TO 109 THERES ONLY "10% DIFFERENCE" BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

BETWEEN 101 AND 109. OUTSIDE.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND CAPS?!? I DOUBT IT.

You are proving my point perfectly. The difference in 101 and 109 secondaries is about 10% more on the 101 outside bgs, so they get roughly a 10% nerf when leveled to 109 in bgs.

Do you think 111 has 10% more secondaries than a 119? No way in hell mate, they have way more. And blizzard knows this, so they give 111 an extra tuning.

Case and point

 

[Warglave]

OMG.

You're lost buddy.

The difference is greater because the scaling is greater, not some secret "bump" that 110 is going to miss.

I even gave you pictures. A 3 year old can grasp pictures.

Which had better stats in legion? A 101 in 840 gear, or a 109 in 840 gear? How can you not see the comparison? Was it just a few % or was the 109 almost as "weak" as a 110 in the same 840 gear? The closer to cap the more you lose...

It's endgame scaling. Inflated by the "need" for new items to feel stronger. Same values, different result.

SAME EXACT RATING. DIFFERENT BENEFIT FROM THAT SAME RATING. SAME AS 101-109. Or 10-19, or 60-69, etc...

267 crit rating
+ 13.22% at 111
+ 4.44% at 119

Wtf more can you not understand? Simple, simple, SIMPLE stuff. You just refuse to hear it.

 

[Veechard]

OMG.

You're lost buddy.

The difference is greater because the scaling is greater, not some secret "bump" that 110 is going to miss.

I even gave you pictures. A 3 year old can grasp pictures.

Which had better stats in legion? A 101 in 840 gear, or a 109 in 840 gear? How can you not see the comparison? Was it just a few % or was the 109 almost as "weak" as a 110 in the same 840 gear? The closer to cap the more you lose...

It's endgame scaling. Inflated by the "need" for new items to feel stronger. Same values, different result.

SAME EXACT RATING. DIFFERENT BENEFIT FROM THAT SAME RATING. SAME AS 101-109. Or 10-19, or 60-69, etc...

+ 13.22% at 111
+ 4.44% at 119

Wtf more can you not understand? Simple, simple, SIMPLE stuff. You just refuse to hear it.

Why are you arguing rating. I understand the amount is stagnant.

The argument is why you are lowered half or more on all your secondary trait %s with being bottom of bracket, and a 60 WHO IS ALSO BOTTOM OF BRACKET, only loses 10% overall secondary trait %s?

Fucking stop beating around the bush and answer THAT question

 

[Warglave]

Why are you arguing rating. I understand the amount is stagnant.

It’s why you are lowered half or more on all your secondary trait %s with being bottom of bracket, and a 60 WHO IS ALSO BOTTOM OF BRACKET, only loses 10% overall secondary trait %s?

Fucking stop beating around the bush and answer THAT question

:Seriously?:
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It’s why you are lowered half or more on all your secondary trait %s with being bottom of bracket, and a 60 WHO IS ALSO BOTTOM OF BRACKET, only loses 10% overall secondary trait %s?

The difference in 101 and 109 secondaries is about 10% more on the 101 outside bgs, so they get roughly a 10% nerf when leveled to 109 in bgs.

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267 crit rating
+ 13.22% at 111
+ 4.44% at 119

It's endgame scaling. Inflated by the "need" for new items to feel stronger.

Just like legion.
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Which had better stats in legion? A 101 in 840 gear, or a 109 in 840 gear?

 

[Veechard]

:Seriously?:
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Just like legion.

Those things you linked do not answer my question

Do you have a ducking brain?

 

[Warglave]

You answer your own question in those quotes. That's the point.

The reason the lower levels only lose 10% is because there's only 10% difference between the two.
The reason 111 loses more is because there's far more difference between 119 and 111 in terms of return for rating.

110 will not "skip" that for some magic mystery reason only you seem to comprehend... it will fall right in line.

Because it's simple, simple, simple to understand - X rating gives Y secondary stat. That varies per level. As you go up in level, Y goes down. That's the way it was in legion too, less noticeable because a squish was necessary. 110 will also have X rating, and get what 119 gives for that rating ------> just like 111 does. Just like anything does from 10-119 in BG.

You consistently answer your own question and in the very next breath contradict it. It's bizarre.

Why was 101 so much better outside BG than 109 in legion? Same reason. Scaling.

If it helps you, my 119 DH has 580 something crit rating, compared to that 267 on my 111. See why one is better?

Real 119 ---> 580 rating.
111 wannabe 119 ---> 267 rating.

My welfare 120 DH has 848 rating, for 21.78% crit. Are you wrapping your head around any of this yet?

IF you get a 111 up to 580 rating, it will be the same value as that 119 in a BG. Wtf is there to be confused?

 

[norcal313]

I get what you're saying, Veech.

There's some odd scaling that is not linear, as you can tell by the difference gems make from a 110 equipping to a 111 equipping.

It is really odd how my 101 stats barely change in the 109 bracket yet my 111 DH's stats get hammered in this bracket.

 

[Warglave]

It's endgame scaling. Inflated by the "need" for new items to feel stronger.

Just like legion.

edit- I mean... you guys do recall there being templates in legion, right? So this xpac is different inside BG?

101 had WAY better secondaries than 109 outside tho, how can you possibly not see the similarity? Not understand? Why didn't anyone twink PvE at 109? Because the same armor (101 BoE) at 109 gave you WAY less stats.... OMG how bizarre!

ALMOST like the exact same thing happening here! What craziness is this foul magic?!?! 110 shall be immune!!

 

[Arlaren]

I think it’s very clear you don’t understand how exponential scales work, and the fact that you think 110 will scale differently in any way from 111 other than WORSE, then you don’t have a solid grasp on basic mathematical concepts.
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Lmao, how can you tell now? 110s are not getting scaled to 119 in pvp till next xpack. In which case we have no clue how their secondaries will play out.

What we do know is clearly based on warglaives screen shots of 111 inside and outside BGs, the loss of secondaries is dramatically different than how say a 60 twink/ 80 twink secondaries go down in iPVP (not a lot maybe 10%)

How could that be if all examples are close to bottom of the bracket? 111 is bottom of 111-119 bracket and gets almost 50% loss in secondaries. While say a 60 twink only loses maybe 10%?

Because at 111, blizzard starts deciding that you need to be tuned down in pvp, because they give you a large jump, in this example gems and enchants. And unfortunately they just do it all at once instead of gradually. We can see this with how gems all of a sudden jump from up 4x.

There is 0 reason why my 101, 60, 80 and list likely goes on, all receive roughly a 10% overall secondary stat nerf when put to max level in IPVP, and 111 takes almost a 50% overall hit. Only explain is that 111 you breached into a different plane of stat scaling within IPVP

I get what you're saying, Veech.

There's some odd scaling that is not linear, as you can tell by the difference gems make from a 110 equipping to a 111 equipping.

It is really odd how my 101 stats barely change in the 109 bracket yet my 111 DH's stats get hammered in this bracket.

That’s because it’s not linear. It’s on an exponential curve. Are there really that many people out there that have never taken an algebra class? The public school system has failed us.

 

[Warglave]

a solid grasp on basic mathematical concepts.

I've tried everything short of a pop-up book, so I think that venue is a lost hope.