EU+US Bracket integration next xpack

[Veechard]

I know it’s still early in the expansion yet, but I’ve been giving this a lot of thought.


Assuming the stats same fairly similar next xpack
Assuming they add 110 into 111-119 like they did 100 into 101-109
Assuming 119s don’t benefit from next xpack

Which will pull ahead in pvp?

110 with high secondaries

Or

119 with high primary’s

??

Also on a side note, if both 110 and 119 lose their Azeroth, both will have great replacements
110s can get more ant gear 119s can get more anniversary gear

 

[Warglave]

Assuming everyone is still 119 in BG... 119. Your secondaries 110 should degrade to 119 in instanced PvP.

We went over this before, you should basically be a 119 wearing antorus gear as a 110 in 110-119.

 

[Veechard]

Assuming everyone is still 119 in BG... 119. Your secondaries 110 should degrade to 119 in instanced PvP.

We went over this before, you should basically be a 119 wearing antorus gear as a 110 in 110-119.

Yes but even with the degrading of 101s this xpack, the secondaries are still bonkers. Maybe 5% max decrease per stat. Leaving me still with tons. Wondering if it will be same way in xpack for 110s

 

[Warglave]

Is 111 best right now? No... because they are ALL 119 in 111-119. You again don't want to hear.
[doublepost=1551971437,1551971210][/doublepost]Just like 101, Veech…. your 101 is a 109 in 101 gear. At 101 it just happens to be the same gear. 119 is not.

I don't know how else to explain it to you, bud... I asked you how much your stats change inside a BG, and you reply "not much" - the point was/is that they change at all. You aren't getting "nerfed" because you're 101, you're getting leveled to 109. Your gear isn't. (except BoA? I guess that might scale with you.) You're now a 109 wearing your same 101's gear.

You're not 101 anymore, that's why your stats degrade. Just like you're not 111 anymore, you're 119. Make sense?

110/11 does not have access to 333 gear... yet. 119 does have access to antorus, but 333 is better. 119 is "better".

Because everyone in there is 119. Not being critical, id just love for you to understand what im explaining. Outside instanced PvP i'd still expect 110 to be hella lots more fun, because they are still 110. Inside bgs, they are not 110.

Play a 119 in antorous gear now and that'll give you a good representation how 110 will be next expansion. IN BG.
[doublepost=1551973885][/doublepost]Here ya go, buddy, I took some screenies to hopefully clear it visually:

Left side is 111 outside BG. Right side is same toon inside BG. Exactly the same crit value - very different crit %.

The health/agility is different because you get added base health and main stat every level. My level is now 119.
(Ignore the tank icon, I didn't change the queue option. I respecced havok before I took the screenshot)

 

[Veechard]

Is 111 best right now? No... because they are ALL 119 in 111-119. You again don't want to hear.
[doublepost=1551971437,1551971210][/doublepost]Just like 101, Veech…. your 101 is a 109 in 101 gear. At 101 it just happens to be the same gear. 119 is not.

I don't know how else to explain it to you, bud... I asked you how much your stats change inside a BG, and you reply "not much" - the point was/is that they change at all. You aren't getting "nerfed" because you're 101, you're getting leveled to 109. Your gear isn't. (except BoA? I guess that might scale with you.) You're now a 109 wearing your same 101's gear.

You're not 101 anymore, that's why your stats degrade. Just like you're not 111 anymore, you're 119. Make sense?

110/11 does not have access to 333 gear... yet. 119 does have access to antorus, but 333 is better. 119 is "better".

Because everyone in there is 119. Not being critical, id just love for you to understand what im explaining. Outside instanced PvP i'd still expect 110 to be hella lots more fun, because they are still 110. Inside bgs, they are not 110.

Play a 119 in antorous gear now and that'll give you a good representation how 110 will be next expansion. IN BG.
[doublepost=1551973885][/doublepost]Here ya go, buddy, I took some screenies to hopefully clear it visually:

Left side is 111 outside BG. Right side is same toon inside BG. Exactly the same crit value - very different crit %.

The health/agility is different because you get added base health and main stat every level. My level is now 119.
(Ignore the tank icon, I didn't change the queue option. I respecced havok before I took the screenshot)

Your stats inside and outside bgs are vastly different. Wayyy lower in BGs. On my 101, outside BGs I’m at 35% mastery 28% vers and 13% Crit.

Inside bgs im 30% vers, 24% vers and 12% crit. So clearly what level you are before going into bgs has a factor.

 

[Merlin]

thats so far away .. i am still waiting for 15th anniversary to finish gearing my 119, thats if the 343s are still available

 

[Warglave]

Inside bgs im 30% vers, 24% vers and 12% crit. So clearly what level you are before going into bgs has a factor.

You again don't want to hear.

 

[Veechard]

I don’t think you are understanding. Your stat loss for going into BG at 111 makes your stats almost halved per stat %. For my 101 it’s only 10% loss per stat. And we both are moved up to max level in bracket. That’s what I’m trying to say
[doublepost=1551993204,1551993035][/doublepost]I want to believe that 110s will behave the same way when introduced into 111-119 bracket, the same way 101s so right now. Maybe only a 10% loss to stat %s instead of how 111 gets what appears to be almost 50% loss

 

[Warglave]

Your stat loss for going into BG at 111 makes your stats almost halved per stat %. For my 101 it’s only 10% loss per stat.

Because scaling at 109 and 119 is very different. If they don't do another squish it will remain the same next xpac.

AND:

I don’t think you are understanding.

No, its you that is confused. Your 101 would be exactly the same in a BG if you leveled it to 109, as it is at 101.

 

[Veechard]

Let me try to put it a little more simple.

Right now, from what your showing me with you 111, your secondaries tank because in BGs. This might be because gems bump up when you go past 110, so this is a way to balance that?

110s however stay the same secondaries because it’s 110 bracket only at the moment. But when they get intergraded into 111-119, they will start scaling up to 119, but not the same way that 111s do. With that being said, I strongly feel like 110s will only receive a 10%ish nerf like 101 is seeing atm.

Does that make sense?

 

[Warglave]

but not the same way that 111s do.

its you that is confused.

 

[Veechard]

Dude u just showed me how fucking shredded your secondaries get on you 111. And 111 has vastly superior gems and chants. So clearly blizz cuts your 111 secondaries like crazy because it’s that cutoff point.

When 110s get integrated in, I don’t think they will receive such a large cut
[doublepost=1551993868,1551993747][/doublepost]Whatever man not gunna argue with you. I understand that it bumps you up to max level I bracket and if you have same gear at 111 and 119 you will be the same. That’s not my argument. Mine is that 110s won’t get pruned as bad as 111s do.

Time will tell

 

[Warglave]

When 110s get integrated in, I don’t think they will receive such a large cut

Assuming there's no stat squish, it will be larger. Like I said, go play a 119 in antorus gear. Same thing.

Mine is that 110s won’t get pruned as bad as 111s do.

Why? Cuz you don't want it to? They will be 119. Their gear will be ilvl 260 or whatever. Level is irrelevant.

Scaling is different after 109, not reality.

You again don't want to hear.

 

[Veechard]

Assuming there's no stat squish, it will be larger. Like I said, go play a 119 in antorus gear. Same thing.


Why? Cuz you don't want it to? They will be 119. Their gear will be ilvl 260 or whatever. Level is irrelevant.

Scaling is different after 109, not reality.

There is clearly a hidden bump at 111 hence the gem and enchant jump.

So however 111 are scaling to 119 right now, will NOT be the same way 110s do. That much I do know, and you may not understand that but again, time will tell

 

[Warglave]

There is clearly a hidden bump at 111 hence the gem and enchant jump.

Very clear, it's BFA and Legion. That doesn't change what your crit rating will be when you're 119. Past the "bump".

So clearly blizz cuts your 111 secondaries like crazy because it’s that cutoff point.

Look at the crit RATING:

Exactly the same. Whatever your 110 RATING is (not %), is what it will be at 119. That's why they tank, they are 119 playing in 110/11 gear. Not some special magic devious plan of nerfing by blizz. Just values at a given level.

Go look at your 110. Check the crit rating number like in the pic. Go on your 119. Get it to that number. Listen. Learn.​

 

[Veechard]

Again not trying to argue that’s just my theory. 111 will get nerfed in BGs more than 110. May be right may not be, ive said my argument. Time will tell

 

[Warglave]

Again not trying to argue that’s just my theory.

Ok. Well it's wrong.

There's nothing special at play here, just values and what they translate to at a given level. Same as 101-109.

As ever:

You again don't want to hear.

 

[Veechard]

Ok. Well it's wrong.

There's nothing special at play here, just values and what they translate to at a given level. Same as 101-109.

Yea I can’t believe that’s the case. Because clearly you being 111 prunes your stats hard AF. And at 101, 10 twink, 60 twink, all the same shit 10% prune. Explain that
[doublepost=1551995291,1551995185][/doublepost]I can explain it. There is a hidden bump at 111 that makes it prune your stats a lot.

And 110 will just miss it allowing us to retain almost all of our secondaries

 

[Warglave]

Explain that

Remember the squish? That's why.

That's why 70 gear is hardly really different from 90 gear. And 101 from 90. Its scales differently at lower level.

Blizz uses that to make new content "feel worth getting an upgrade." Nothing more. All that's at play here is how much % each level gets from the rating. That's it, nothing else. At 111 that DH gets +13.22% crit from 267 rating - 119 it's 4.4%.

It's STILL only 267 ----> RATING. Add up all the crit on your gear, and that's your crit rating. Follow?

Same difference as 101 to 109 last xpac. They tank how much "current" content benefits from the same rating. Legion BoE allowed us to use 110 level gear on our 101, so that's why it's not totally the same - BfA does not. Other than azerite gear.

Meaning there's not a lot of 300 gear available to 110, right? Just (four?) azerite pieces and crappy archaeology trinkets.
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[Arlaren]

This is the main reason I've stopped putting time into my 110 and why I haven't created any other ones. They're essentially on a time bomb for ipvp, they're going to be useless as soon as the next expansion hits.
[doublepost=1551998317,1551998190][/doublepost]

And 110 will just miss it allowing us to retain almost all of our secondaries

This is so wildly misinformed and wrong it's not even funny.

Time will tell

Wrong again. You can tell now, nothing to wait on.