US BIS Vet Retribution gear?

[jwl]

After a quick search, I found no information on this.
Even referring to the vet armory, there were 0 references for retribution paladins, and both of the warrior references had grandfathered gear.

With that said, could anyone help me figure out what is in-general, best in slot for retribution.
I'd also appreciate knowing any BOE-farms (that can proc quality) so I could jump on that. I've been out of the FTP/Vet scene for years now, any reliable information would be appreciated.

here is a link to my armory: I still have some questing to do.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/kadio

 

[Dcm]

I've had many discussions with people and I firmly believe that the stat prior should be str > vers > haste, but if you're running Zeal, I would even argue that vers = haste. Especially if you're running Zeal, haste is pretty good for multiple crusader procs and also reduces cast on flash of light (since ret has very strong offheals).

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/argent-dawn/dcm

I've logged out in my ret set, and it's not entirely perfect, but this gives the general idea.

If you're unlucky with good quest rings, I still believe Demon Band x2 is bis, because it gives 6 stam/6str/3 crit. Level 19 required version is fine, although you could debate on replacing one of them with maybe an aurora BG crate ring, because I think crusader procs are where the bulk of your damage comes from.

Lambent Scale is good, but if you haven't done the quest already in Wetlands, https://www.wowhead.com/item=59078/flarecrazed-cloak&bonus=3646 scaled epic is pretty good.

In place of my gf'd items: for shoulders use the boa strengthened stockades. For legs use the boa (valor pants i believe?) that gives haste as your secondary. And for helm, once again if unlucky with quest procs, use the engi stam/vers helm (that helm is arguably better than ilvl 31 invasion helm for ret even.)

Once again, if unlucky with quest procs, https://www.wowhead.com/item=6327/the-pacifier is a farmable weapon that can proc epic. Drops from the ogre rare in hillsbrad.

Sorry for the long wall of text, but that's the gist of how I think ret should gear.

Edit- Also for boot/cloak enchant, I'm on a really shit low pop realm, but I've been trying to get a pure haste to cloak enchant since the speed on cloak doesn't stack with my boot enchant.

 

[jwl]

I've had many discussions with people and I firmly believe that the stat prior should be str > vers > haste. Especially if you're running Zeal, haste is pretty good for multiple crusader procs and also reduces cast on flash of light (since ret has very strong offheals).

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/argent-dawn/dcm

I've logged out in my ret set, and it's not entirely perfect, but this gives the general idea.

If you're unlucky with good quest rings, I still believe Demon Band x2 is bis, because it gives 6 stam/6str/3 crit. Level 19 required version is fine, although you could debate on replacing one of them with maybe an aurora BG crate ring, because I think crusader procs are where the bulk of your damage comes from.

Lambent Scale is good, but if you haven't done the quest already in Wetlands, https://www.wowhead.com/item=59078/flarecrazed-cloak&bonus=3646 scaled epic is pretty good.

In place of my gf'd items: for shoulders use the boa strengthened stockades. For legs use the boa (valor pants i believe?) that gives haste as your secondary. And for helm, once again if unlucky with quest procs, use the engi stam/vers helm (that helm is arguably better than ilvl 31 invasion helm for ret even.)

Once again, if unlucky with quest procs, https://www.wowhead.com/item=6327/the-pacifier is a farmable weapon that can proc epic. Drops from the ogre rare in hillsbrad.

Sorry for the long wall of text, but that's the gist of how I think ret should gear.

I appreciate the help.
I actually have a rare quality Flarecrazed cloak that I plan on using, and I'll be farming 2x Pacifiers when I complete the 6 or so quest zones that I have remaining. (2 for crusader swapping)

 

[Dcm]

I appreciate the help.
I actually have a rare quality Flarecrazed cloak that I plan on using, and I'll be farming 2x Pacifiers when I complete the 6 or so quest zones that I have remaining. (2 for crusader swapping)

Np man, also, I guess it didn't add it in there but for trinkets too. I would use defending/returning champ (if you have both just which one you prefer) and if you have access to it, the new boa trinket from warfronts is good too. Brewfest one is good but I'm assuming you might not have that one yet

 

[jwl]

Np man, also, I guess it didn't add it in there but for trinkets too. I would use defending/returning champ (if you have both just which one you prefer) and if you have access to it, the new boa trinket from warfronts is good too. Brewfest one is good but I'm assuming you might not have that one yet

Yeah my paladin is only 2 days old, so I'll have to wait another year for brewfest…
For the time being, Im just going to run Defending champion & PVP insignia

 

[SupremeChaos]

I've had many discussions with people and I firmly believe that the stat prior should be str > vers > haste, but if you're running Zeal, I would even argue that vers = haste. Especially if you're running Zeal, haste is pretty good for multiple crusader procs and also reduces cast on flash of light (since ret has very strong offheals).

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/argent-dawn/dcm

I've logged out in my ret set, and it's not entirely perfect, but this gives the general idea.

If you're unlucky with good quest rings, I still believe Demon Band x2 is bis, because it gives 6 stam/6str/3 crit. Level 19 required version is fine, although you could debate on replacing one of them with maybe an aurora BG crate ring, because I think crusader procs are where the bulk of your damage comes from.

Lambent Scale is good, but if you haven't done the quest already in Wetlands, https://www.wowhead.com/item=59078/flarecrazed-cloak&bonus=3646 scaled epic is pretty good.

In place of my gf'd items: for shoulders use the boa strengthened stockades. For legs use the boa (valor pants i believe?) that gives haste as your secondary. And for helm, once again if unlucky with quest procs, use the engi stam/vers helm (that helm is arguably better than ilvl 31 invasion helm for ret even.)

Once again, if unlucky with quest procs, https://www.wowhead.com/item=6327/the-pacifier is a farmable weapon that can proc epic. Drops from the ogre rare in hillsbrad.

Sorry for the long wall of text, but that's the gist of how I think ret should gear.

Edit- Also for boot/cloak enchant, I'm on a really shit low pop realm, but I've been trying to get a pure haste to cloak enchant since the speed on cloak doesn't stack with my boot enchant.

why have you found haste to be better? i was thinking ret just bursts then has to wait for 2 hours so might as well make that burst count

 

[tence]

I logged out in what I've been messing with for ret gear (replacing the chest with 5/5 quickblade version)

replace the head with the BFD one thats 5/5, the chest with a 5/5 quickblade version, the wep with epic pacifier, and the 1st trinket with that one that gives main stat.

Haste is great as a support/dps ret since it makes flash of light quicker allowing you to use those great off heals ret has quite well. Personally I heal 99% of the time, so the once in a blue moon I bust out ret I wanna pew pew hence the more dps/burst set up.

I havent really looked at item upgrades or what could be changed based on them but I generally see stat distribution for ret as follows:

1 str = 3 vers (might change to 5 in bgs with secondary scaling, I am still subbed so I cannot check right now)> vers = crit > haste and try to have around 1700ish hp in bgs.

Zeal offers the most consistent dps output over the other two. I found execution sentence too hard to consistently pull off to make it worth it (often times saving up 5 charges, 2x templar's verdict was more effective).

 

[Dcm]

why have you found haste to be better? i was thinking ret just bursts then has to wait for 2 hours so might as well make that burst count

I've played with both and I personally don't find crit to be worth it since outside of BGs since it's only 150% crit damage as opposed to the normal 200% outside of pvp/bgs. It might just be a personal preference but the majority of your damage is going to come from Crusader with weapon swapping, and I feel like haste with zeal allow for a more likely chance of having at least 2 procs (if you're only swapping 2 weapons anyways) up when you need it most.

Also, from what I've experienced, in bgs my TV crits for no shit maybe 400 damage without crusader? The buildup required and payoff just isn't worth it, in my opinion anyways, in comparison to the potential increase in uptime with haste increasing autoattack frequency.

Edit- The only time I would maybe consider crit > haste is if you're using the brew trinket, which jwl mentioned he doesn't have, and even then I'm still skeptical of that. For someone such as a rogue I'd maybe agree since their attacks are much more frequent than a ret paladin's. I personally only use it because I don't have access to many other options at the moment.

 

[Chops]

FWIW, I've recently been messing around with ret and thought crit was gonna be the way to go but it really is a haste dependent spec.

Good on you for rolling ret. I've found it to be a hella neat spec that's really underrepresented

 

[Killer]

For weapon get 2 epic versions of The Pacifier, enchant one with crusader and the other one with elemental force. Wep swap when u get proc from crusader.

 

[Ctm]

I recently got back to vet and started playing ret. Before this had only f2p pala. It is really huge difference because crusader. And I agree it is really fun and strong spec that is underrepresented.
Still farming The Pacifier to swap with Sin'dorei Warblade
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/defias-brotherhood/bumblebeex

 

[Chops]

For weapon get 2 epic versions of The Pacifier, enchant one with crusader and the other one with elemental force. Wep swap when u get proc from crusader.

Why do that when you could go dual crusader?

 

[Killer]

Why do that when you could go dual crusader?

You could do that too, probabbly smarter

 

[Ctm]

Isn't there some internal cd, like 30 sec for crusader to proc when swapping weapons?

 

[Chops]

Isn't there some internal cd, like 30 sec for crusader to proc when swapping weapons?

weapon swapping now triggers the GCD but otherwise no. Crusader can proc on the very next swing.

 

[SupremeChaos]

I've played with both and I personally don't find crit to be worth it since outside of BGs since it's only 150% crit damage as opposed to the normal 200% outside of pvp/bgs. It might just be a personal preference but the majority of your damage is going to come from Crusader with weapon swapping, and I feel like haste with zeal allow for a more likely chance of having at least 2 procs (if you're only swapping 2 weapons anyways) up when you need it most.

Also, from what I've experienced, in bgs my TV crits for no shit maybe 400 damage without crusader? The buildup required and payoff just isn't worth it, in my opinion anyways, in comparison to the potential increase in up time with haste increasing auto attack frequency.

Edit- The only time I would maybe consider crit > haste is if you're using the brew trinket, which jwl mentioned he doesn't have, and even then I'm still skeptical of that. For someone such as a rogue I'd maybe agree since their attacks are much more frequent than a ret paladin's. I personally only use it because I don't have access to many other options at the moment.

so my reasoning is that zeal is always up, so the haste boost of +30% on your auto hits is ALWAYS up also the more haste you have the less you get from it because of the way it scales. i almost always have crusader up with like 5% haste and yea i suppose i could stack multiple crusaders but by the time that would happen the enemy will already be dead or is kiting you so youll never get that to go off on those long range slow classes like mage/hunter etc.

and it is only +50% damage but wait, ONLY 50% boosted damage? thats still a shit ton. if it lines up where you crit 2 or 3 of your like 5 abiltiy burst no matter who youre attacking they are very very dead. and with say 15% crit maybe a bit more thats a common occurrence.

 

[Chipmunkaroo]

I have personally been focusing on Crit/Vers myself. Very new to the scene here but Haste just did not feel like it was noticeable between being kited and how quick the burst windows on damage are. Couple that with all the quest gear i32 basically being Crit only gear. Currently at 18% Crit and 13% Vers and still a few quests and failing that some dungeon upgrades to look towards.

Very interested to hear out this discussion as I have been looking around for Ret info as well but it is hard to come by.

 

[SupremeChaos]

i think the haste misconception comes from dummy testing tbh, i think haste looks better when testing dps on a immobile unreacting target but thats just not what happens in reality. if there was good proof that it was better though id be open to it, like if we both duel someone and your haste lets you kill them when i cant i guess that would do it, it might be better vs melee classes where you jsut sit there and smack each other. i just had really bad results when using a haste build compard to my crit/verse for secondaries

 

[jwl]

FWIW, I've recently been messing around with ret and thought crit was gonna be the way to go but it really is a haste dependent spec.

Good on you for rolling ret. I've found it to be a hella neat spec that's really underrepresented

Its actually very underrated. Extremely strong hybrid with a surprisingly powerful, yet inconsistent burst.

For weapon get 2 epic versions of The Pacifier, enchant one with crusader and the other one with elemental force. Wep swap when u get proc from crusader.

I've considered doing that, but I think ultimately, 200+ strength should result in more damage.

Isn't there some internal cd, like 30 sec for crusader to proc when swapping weapons?

Nope. I can get 6 crusader procs at once on my 59 warrior. Weapon swapping triggers the GCD, that's all.

Appreciate all of the valuable information guys. Its pretty difficult for me to determine what is deemed BIS after these recent changes. Still could use more information on farmable BOEs.

 

[Chipmunkaroo]

Curious if people feel DMF Trinket is > Dusk Powder... I'm having a hard time deciding if 6 STR is better than 7 STA 5 VERS.