BIS enchants (29)

willix said:
They honestly don't work like that. It might appear to be giving him +15 str, but really only giving him 3. I have Soulfrost on my warlock that is doing that exact thing, showing their full values but only giving the scaling values.

imgur: the simple image sharer In my bags, shows the actual value. On my toon, shows the value before scaling.

That's why it's important to actually test that value against what you see on your character sheet.

I can't tell you exactly how Blizzard implemented the scaling or what they did to address enchants on people's gear before the patch, but I can guarantee you that there are plenty of enchants that are showing bugged tool tips and some which aren't even down scaling properly. Elemental Force is proccing for 110-220 damage for all classes at all levels below 60, instead of having a specific range dependent on which level you are. Landslide is doing the same thing, proccing for 75 AP regardless of your level below 60. Other enchants, such as +15 agi to glove show one value and give another. On my 29 it shows as +8 agi, but gives only +3. On my 39 it shows +10 agi, but gives only 3.

Scorched Leg Armor says it gives +10ap +12 crit @ 29. It actually gives +4 ap +4 crit. Peerless Stats (and other +stats enchants) actually only give +1 to stats, regardless of what the tool tip actually says. Exceptional Health to chest is probably BiS @ 29/39, as it gives +60 hp/+77 hp. 1 stam is only 23 HP @ 29, so +60 hp is definitely better than Peerless Stats.

These are just examples and precisely why you have to actually test the enchant vs the character sheet numbers before you assume it's just GF'd. Enchant values are the most unlikely thing to be GF'd, even in Cata when 5.4 came out and some people had unbound Parachute Cloaks with +12 agi on them. Just because they display one value, doesn't mean you can actually trust it to give that value.
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Very good points and you are so very correct. Except this one enchant. It is a old vanilla (or TBC, can't remember) version of the 15 str to gloves enchant. Perhaps that's not the one he is using, but it is out there. It hasn't been affected by scaling, just like Crusader hasn't either. It litterally gives 15 str to gloves.
 
I believethe 15 str had to go on the gloves pre-(whatever date it was they removed Deadman's Hand). I notice on all my toons that got the enchant before that time, it's giving the full 15 on the character sheet, but another that got the chant later ( i guess about a year - 18 months ago?) just gets +3.
 
Snack said:
Very good points and you are so very correct. Except this one enchant. It is a old vanilla (or TBC, can't remember) version of the 15 str to gloves enchant. Perhaps that's not the one he is using, but it is out there. It hasn't been affected by scaling, just like Crusader hasn't either. It litterally gives 15 str to gloves.
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I literally just said that some enchants aren't down scaling. In this specific case, +15 str, +20 frost/shadow/fire power, +8 agi/dodge, and some other enchants, were all Vanilla enchants using Vanilla mats. To be more exact, a lot of these dropped from AQ 20/40 and had material costs using older materials (illusion dust, large brilliant shards, ect). These enchants specifically were altered in TBC to give the same stats but use TBC mats, as well as drop from sources in TBC (some of them, anyway, the +20 frost/fire/shadow power do not), such as from vendors after gaining reputation.

It's entirely possible he's had +15 str on his gloves since Vanilla, when the original recipe was used. However, it's short-sighted to just say '+15 str gloves is GF'd, good job.' +15 str scales down to +3 str, even on people who had it before 6.0. There is no surefire method of getting +15 str to give that value, so it's probably not useful to tell people that's the value it gives.

Shaket said:
I believethe 15 str had to go on the gloves pre-(whatever date it was they removed Deadman's Hand). I notice on all my toons that got the enchant before that time, it's giving the full 15 on the character sheet, but another that got the chant later ( i guess about a year - 18 months ago?) just gets +3.
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It's impossible to tell, really. I don't see what would be different about an enchant being applied in Cata vs one being applied now, unless Blizzard changed the recipe between now and then, forgetting to address both with the scaling (since one formula would no longer be available).
 
willix said:
I literally just said that some enchants aren't down scaling. In this specific case, +15 str, +20 frost/shadow/fire power, +8 agi/dodge, and some other enchants, were all Vanilla enchants using Vanilla mats. To be more exact, a lot of these dropped from AQ 20/40 and had material costs using older materials (illusion dust, large brilliant shards, ect). These enchants specifically were altered in TBC to give the same stats but use TBC mats, as well as drop from sources in TBC (some of them, anyway, the +20 frost/fire/shadow power do not), such as from vendors after gaining reputation.

It's entirely possible he's had +15 str on his gloves since Vanilla, when the original recipe was used. However, it's short-sighted to just say '+15 str gloves is GF'd, good job.' +15 str scales down to +3 str, even on people who had it before 6.0. There is no surefire method of getting +15 str to give that value, so it's probably not useful to tell people that's the value it gives.



It's impossible to tell, really. I don't see what would be different about an enchant being applied in Cata vs one being applied now, unless Blizzard changed the recipe between now and then, forgetting to address both with the scaling (since one formula would no longer be available).
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When he said "My 15str enchant gives 15str" it's safe to assume it's the gf'ed version no? Cause it has been confirmed that there is one
 
Snack said:
When he said "My 15str enchant gives 15str" it's safe to assume it's the gf'ed version no? Cause it has been confirmed that there is one
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It's not safe to assume anything. Anyone can make a claim on the forums, I'll wait until I see screen shots of his character sheet to believe him. It's also important to see which item it's applied to in order to determine exactly when it was enchanted and what might be preventing it from down scaling.

But it's not worth talking about further until we see something more concrete than a one line post.
 
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Karmaz said:
Legs:
Charscale Leg Armor - 8 Stam 3 Agility
Scorched Leg Armor - 3 AP 3 Crit

All of these are tested via the Stat Sheet, NOT TOOLTIPS
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Found some newer better Leg Armor Kits:

Frosthide Leg Armor - 9 Stam 4 Agility

Icescale Leg Armor - 4 AP 6 Crit
 
I do not understand why Ret pals use Crusader over Ele force or DS. The PPM is much lower, anyone care to explain? Thanks.
 
Karmaz said:
Found some newer better Leg Armor Kits:

Frosthide Leg Armor - 9 Stam 4 Agility

Icescale Leg Armor - 4 AP 6 Crit
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Funny thing this Frosthide leg armor. I had it on hunter mail legs for stamina set, cba to get the other in the past but it felt like it is in a bugged state untill I compared vs Scorched. Seems like Scorched it's tooltip is bugged and just giving 2 AP instead of 6 @ 20.

Could send them over to 29 but I suppose it will be the same story.
 
leotseddap said:
Funny thing this Frosthide leg armor. I had it on hunter mail legs for stamina set, cba to get the other in the past but it felt like it is in a bugged state untill I compared vs Scorched. Seems like Scorched it's tooltip is bugged and just giving 2 AP instead of 6 @ 20.

Could send them over to 29 but I suppose it will be the same story.
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Please don't post anything regarding 20s, its just going to confuse people because the scaling doesn't work like it used to.

Scorched gives 3 AP 3 Crit at 29

Icescale gives 4 AP 6 Crit at 29

Both have been tested and confirmed via the stat page on a level 29.
 
Karmaz said:
Please don't post anything regarding 20s, its just going to confuse people because the scaling doesn't work like it used to.

Scorched gives 3 AP 3 Crit at 29

Icescale gives 4 AP 6 Crit at 29

Both have been tested and confirmed via the stat page on a level 29.
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Telling in my post that an armor kits tooltip is bugged.. how is that going to confuse people. It seems to me like it is the other way around. Not pointing that out is people getting confused by the tool tip. It is a post regardless of level... you certainly are confused by all of this aren't you?

Enchant Gloves: Superior Agility scales to 8
Enchant Chest: Greater Stats scales to 2
Greater Tiger Claw Inscription to shoulder scales to 4 agi 1 crit
 
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honestly at this time trying to put together any kind of enchant list is just gonna breed frustration, enchants are still changing many are obviously bugged.
 
leotseddap said:
Telling in my post that an armor kits tooltip is bugged.. how is that going to confuse people. It seems to me like it is the other way around. Not pointing that out is people getting confused by the tool tip. It is a post regardless of level... you certainly are confused by all of this aren't you?
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It might be bugged at 20 but may not be at 29. This post is specifically for 29s and should only contain information pertaining to 29s. Now obviously in this case the armor kit in question is bugged for both 20, 29 and most likely, but not confirmed, other levels too. This is beyond the point that only information by 29s, on 29s should be posted in this thread.

leotseddap said:
Enchant Gloves: Superior Agility scales to 8
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Again, you need to look at the stat sheet and not the tooltip.

Superior Agility to Gloves SAYS it gives 8 Agility but only truly grants 3 Agility.
 
Major Spellpower to gloves(+20) scales to +8 @ 29
Powerful Enchanted Spellthread (+19 int/+16 stam) scales to +6 int/+5 stamina @ 29
Healing Power to Bracer (+15) scales to +8 @ 29 (it's spellpower, not just healing power)
Exceptional Health to chest (+150 hp) scales to +60 health @ 29
Boar's Speed to boots (+9 stam/10% run speed) scales to +3 stam/10% run speed @ 29
Major Intellect to offhand (not shield (+11)) scales to +3 intellect @ 29
Mighty Stamina to cloak (+13) scales to +4 stamina @ 29
Greater Speed to cloak (+13) scales to +4 haste @ 29
Greater Critical Strike to cloak (+13) scales to +4 crit @ 29
Surefooted to boots (+12 crit/haste) scales to +4 crit/haste @ 29
Stealth to cloak (+8 agi/dodge) scales to +4 agi/dodge @ 29.
Assault to gloves (+12 AP) scales to +5 attack power @ 29.

These are all the best scaling enchants for the slots/stats they represent that I have tested thus far. If you find something better, kudos.

cologne said:
Greater Tiger Claw Inscription - Item - World of Warcraft

for my 29 feral druid this enchant gives:
4 agility
0.18% crit

on statpage. so the tooltip is right on thisone.
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It seems as though enchants that actually scale down really far to be in line with other enchants of that stat/slot have accurate tooltips (except for any +stats enchant, those are just fucked). It's the enchants which are giving substantially higher stats that are either bugged tooltips or not down scaling much, if at all.
 
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Ciren I think that it is important to put that its powerful enchanted spellthread that is give 6/5 cause I think there is a regular enchanted spellthread too.
 
tomxoqt said:
@OP, heavy borean armor kit still gives 3 stam. It is heavy knothide that gives 5 stam and scales properly. 100% as I just checked both. Cheers
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I'm gaining an effective +5 stamina from a regular borean armor kit on chest too.
 
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