Lejn
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Was the humiliation in the effective health thread not enough for you? Are you really trying to theorycraft again?
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lindenkron
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Just a little newsflash; Everyone attacks from behind. Anyone with a decent mindset anyway, will always try to get behind a target to avoid those obvious avoidances.
That doesn't necessarily mean that they succeed. Multiple factors can stop you from getting behind your target. Immobilizing effects, slows, reverse strafing - etc.
Expertise will always be worth it imo. Don't know the exact numbers of it though - didn't read the entire discussion.
Karmaz
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glad we always live an idealist world huyehuehuehuehu
Intellectual Progression > Intellectual Stagnation
Stay inferior h3h3!
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Intellectual Progression > Intellectual Stagnation
Stay inferior h3h3!
#kiNGtWinKs
Flamer
2014 and 2016 Twink Cup Champion
I'm talking about guild premades. You know, the thing where you get a group of players in the same guild, server, and faction? If guilds are on different servers you have to sync 4 group queues. Which realm your raid is on goes by whichever realm has the most players in the raid, so having just one player on the same realm as the other team doesn't work.
If you know about Real ID queuing, then why say this:
Whether people queue together on the same server or via Real ID doesn't matter.
Stay lost. Games aren't competitive because there are people like you queuing on Alliance side.
willix
Legend
Apparently you're one lost derp. This whole time, I've been talking about people who:
1. Get together and make groups of up to 5 players.
2. Queue for random WSG.
3. Steamroll the other team using vent.
4. Often graveyard camp them the entire game.
I could care less if you're 'just playing with guildies.' That sort of behavior is what is ruining the quality of games, period. In order for a bracket to thrive and support balanced activity, people have to be willing to play both factions and jump into roles that are absent on one faction or another. This is what keeps the 49 bracket thriving, despite having way fewer active players and having to play on a schedule.
Um, I don't play 19s, but I have friends who do. I sit here and listen to them tell me how they AFK out of games because one side is just rolling a premade from BH and GY farming the whole game, not even playing objectively. They afk out of games quite often because it's obvious that there's no point in playing with assholes who refuse to acknowledge the quality of games, much less do anything to fix it.
I'll say it again: Games aren't competitive because there are people group queuing premades, using vent to coordinate GY farming fests against people who are solo queuing. The problem won't go away until you kids realize you have to do something else besides group queue premades. It's as simple as that.
Understand yet? You're flat out wrong, ignorant, and part of the problem.
Except we're talking about a video game made for fun, and not advancing our education in philosophy, mathematics, medicine, or science. In this case, the intellectual progression is realizing this is a social game, made for people to enjoy together and have fun. It's not rocket science, there aren't any Nobel Prizes to earn or theories to advance. It's World of Warcraft, it's twinking, and it's not high end play or even rated. There are no rewards, there isn't any recognition, and at the end of the day, this is ONLY for fun.
But I'm glad you're living the dream of winning at a video game. It's a hard life, but someone has to be stuck in that rut.
Lil Throwed
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When I click on Willix I don't see any option to put him on ignore.. Feeding trolls never amounts to anything good.
willix
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Experienced over the past couple weeks? Nope, but I have experienced it over the past couple years. The only thing I've been told is that the bracket hasn't changed and is NOT getting better. I don't actually need to queue up for games now to understand that you kids are doing the same garbage you were doing in Cata, when I WAS playing, or to understand the effect it's having on the bracket.
I guess 19s dying off at the beginning of MoP didn't teach you anything...
Sneaky
Legend
Yeah, because everyone going to play their mains at the start of MoP is totally relevant to all this stuff.
tence
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get em sneaky
Karmaz
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Why limited ourselves and remain unchanging due to a perceived intent of a game?
What about advancing strategy and the meta game within?
How is the term intellectual confined to such a limited list of studies?
Just because the skill levels in this bracket are not quantified into a numeric value does not mean competition is void. I'm not sure where you get the idea that there aren't any rewards. Maybe if your talking about titles or in game items or something then sure there aren't any "rewards", but in all honesty, who gives a fuck about a title, tabard or any other item in the game. The biggest reward is self satisfaction when you know you put in the time and effort and legitimately came out on top.
The people that are competitive don't receive satisfaction from such trivial assets, as most understand how easy even the most menial of players can acquire them.
I'll continue living the reality, where I best other combatants via the extensions of my physical and mental capacities, while you can continue being a hardcore carebear casual who is stuck in a disillusioned, theoretic and linear fantasy world filled with irrational and illogical ideologies.
Keep defending that "ego" you don't have huehuehuehuehu
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willix
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Because the only 'smart' thing you are doing is queuing up with a group of people and using vent/skype to tell each other who you're killing or CCing. It's not one of those things that takes any skill or effort to do beyond that of getting in a group and talking, so it's not really 'more intellectual' vs 'less intellectual.'
It's just 'try hard' vs 'not try hard' where you guys are having a detrimental effect on the game because you are presuming that it's necessary to play like you're at 2600 arena level when you're in a game with 15 other people who just showed up and queued to have fun.
It's completely different than setting up a premade and going all out on both sides to prove who's more skilled at the game. Level 19 WSG pug games aren't level 90 rated BGs, and it would be amazing if the people in this bracket would recognize that fact. Do something to help out the other side, and even out the quality of games so they can be fun again. Not continue to be one-sided GY fests by a team of mongoloids trying too hard.
Seriously, I have to explain this to you? One would think that a member of the 49 bracket who has witnessed all players doing things to even out teams would understand the concept of Altruism. The bracket only exists as long as there are enough people interested in showing up for games, and they aren't going to continue doing that under the current circumstances.
dartofblue
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What does all of this have to do with the best mutilate daggers again?
Karmaz
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Communication is important. Those who choose to deny the use or importance of it deserve to suffer. Also communicating essential and relevant information takes time, effort and thought which only further proves higher cognitive function.
Whats wrong with putting as much effort into twinking as high level rated play? I don't understand how limiting success because other players make the choice to be subpar is the right thing to do.
There is nothing wrong with putting effort into an objective but at the same time I'm not going to mollycoddle a group of people that are unwilling to help themselves or don't have the capacity to understand the advanced concepts that have been passed down by playing with perhaps some of the greatest low level players that have ever played and most likely ever to play. I am not going to spoon feed some nothing no-names how to play as it isn't even possible to teach, it's something that just has to be learned through hard work and experience.
To be honest if someone doesn't have the mental tenacity to get over being farmed at GY and sits around complaining how in theory it's a bad idea and causes them to quit, good. I'd rather have someone that is productive and increases competition through forming their own group and creating rivalries. It only feeds the competitive drive and actually make this game worth playing rather then flopping around like a fish out of the water, under utilizing tools just so you aren't perceived as a "tryhard" or to "help balance" out games. It's a disservice and down right disrespectful to give someone an easier time when all you're doing is enabling them to remain stagnant and telling them "it's okay, you don't need to improve".
That way of thinking makes me feel ill, to the point of vomit.
The only reason that bracket gets pops is because most of the members are nostalgic and is the bracket they call "home". They regularly have to artificially generate pops just to get a few WSGs in, and the teams or comps are usually one sided, along with players ceasing to improve. I'm not interested in getting pops just for the sake of getting a queue. There has to be some form of competition and due to the departure of almost every single competitive player, the bracket has subsequently lost its' appeal.
Gratz you still get pops (and honestly no disrespect to those few members who act as brackermasters, not an easy job) but at the end of the day:
Quality > Quantity
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