Lejn
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Didn't you lose the game anyways?
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Karmaz
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Yo, we said it was a crutch not a sure thing victory...
But the best part about it is some players can't even compete (theoretics or in practice xDxDxD ) even with usage of consumables haha
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willix
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1. Did I name you specifically? I said kids from BH. Which might include any number of people from BH, it wasn't specific.
2. I find it funny that you've 'been around forever' and you don't seem to understand the problems the 19 bracket faces these days (has been facing for awhile now).
3. The only reason why you are 'doing fine' is because rogue damage was buffed in MoP, and you've got access to an absolute BiS rogue. Combine that with your buddies in group queues, and you don't even really notice the absence of all the tools you would need in order to compete otherwise.
And for the sake of argument, rogues are now warriors who don't even get an out of combat charge. You would be better off rolling just about any other class, if you really wanted to be competitive.
Games aren't competitive because people have flocked to one faction on one server, and then decided to group up and queue in 5s, completely ignoring the fact that the other team is full of solo queuing randoms. If everyone in the 19 bracket decided to solo queue and even out games, GY farming wouldn't be happening, and games would be more competitive.
I don't know who your character is in game, but it's obvious that you're part of the problem.
Sneaky
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Honestly willix, there's no point in arguing with you. This is the Foreman's Gloves argument all over again -- no matter what people say, you stay lost and refuse to climb out of that hole.
Oh, and, please do not lie on a public forum, it's pretty easy to show you up.
Oh, and, please do not lie on a public forum, it's pretty easy to show you up.
"So, it's okay to disregard the integrity of the bracket while you guys group queue and GY farm, but it's not okay for someone to use a consumable in hopes of being on equal ground with other classes? Hypocrisy much? Maybe you, Derv, and the rest of the kids on BH should all have a good hard think before you comment on 'competitive integrity.'"
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willix
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Who's lying? 'You kids' is referring to the general audience of 19s. The quality of games is everyone's problem, not just a few guys who continue to group queue all day every day. Also, the Foreman's Gloves argument was completely valid. The point being that you cannot cap expertise at 19, so you still get parried (often at the worst possible time), making Foreman's Gloves completely and utterly pointless to spend a significant amount of time and effort acquiring.
You cannot prove that having foreman's gloves is a considerable difference, especially when it counts most, and thus had no legitimate point to make aside from the 'I want to max out the stats I prefer, even if that means I can't cap expertise, but only come close.' However, that's neither here nor there. This discussion is about you and people like Derv cherry picking when and where they want competition and integrity to matter, then getting all flustered when people like me call them out on it.
If you (any of you, including Derv) want the use of speed pots to be taboo, in the name of keeping things competitive, then you have to argue against people group queuing and GY farming. You can't just throw your hands up, say that you don't do it, you're not part of the problem, so it's a lost cause. That's why the bracket is like this to begin with. Too many people just don't care. You want games so you can play your toons, but you don't care one bit if those games are competitive, so you group queue and GY farm. Again, I'm just speaking to 19s in general, I don't think naming names is going to do any good. Those people abusing the bracket, know who they are.
Are we cool, Sneaky? Or do you want to fill up more pages with stuff that honestly isn't even relevant to this topic?
Lejn
Banned
So why are we using crit then? Don't we just not crit at the worst possible time, making any crit useless?
Flamer
2014 and 2016 Twink Cup Champion
You're an idiot. Do you not know about how you can queue with people from other servers with Real ID/Battletag? People going to BH isn't about group queuing, it's for the sake of premades so that they can do wargames instead of trying to sync queue 4 groups.
This quote pretty much sums up my thoughts. Keep getting farmed and whine about it on here please. It's pretty entertaining.
Karmaz
OG
First look at the stats are lost by using expertise (+1 agil +4 stam assuming fang gloves), then look at whats gained (2.95% less chance to dodge). Majority of the time expertise will help out more then those few menial stats.
Reducing the chance of all casters dodging to such a low percentile is actually pretty big along with bringing down the dodge and parry of the classes that have a higher dodge and parry chance, But i mean if you want to argue that 1 agil and 4 stam is somehow better be our guest...
I'm not sure where you have come to the conclusion that I am flustered? If anything I feel pretty great. Not only am I stating an opinion based on logic but I have become better at communicating why the view I hold is logical and backing it by legitimate and relevant facts. On top of all that, rather then getting angry that someone doesn't understand where I am coming from, I have been able to practice staying calm and collected while articulating the message to individuals that may not be as intellectually inclined as myself (comparatively of coarse, don't want to toot my own horn that much!)
When people like "you" make comments that are continually and consistently shot down on the grounds of illegitimacy and illogicality, the assumed malicious intent of your actions inadvertently backfires to only put you in the hot seat, or in your case as pointed out by another member, hole.
There is a time and place for a strategic loss, you may want to consider the idea.
If a team is getting farmed at the GY, the majority of the time (with a few exceptions), they didn't have a chance in the first place. They are getting out preformed and outplayed. It's a hard strategy to break and frustrating, but it is possible with the right players and comp to counter (example was when WT was farming GY and Ez, Idiote, Ethan and myself were playing alliance and being contained. We communicated that we were all going to kill Twiggi and body ressed into an execution of perfection. This broke their hold on the GY and ultimately allowed us to win the game).
GY farming against random PuGs is a shit strategy and terrible for practice if its just about farming, but if you look at the side effects of excessive use of the strategy (on top of coming in with full buffs) you will see what happened to the latter team of WT. They had an unrealistic view on how the game was going to play out in their favor and they paid dearly for their choices.
Usually the reason why people (such as myself) get upset at consumables is that - for the most part - the people that use them are the players that are terrible and need them to even come close to compete.
Although a little out of context, this is still worth a good chuckle as you have used my name several times in your last few posts (in other threads as well) huehuehuehuehu
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Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
If you are looking for competition, then what is so upsetting about that?
Karmaz
OG
Because they shouldn't be rewarded for playing like shit and using a consumable to make up for their short comings.
Although interesting point.
danny glover
Officially Retired
you idiots have embarrassed yourselves more than usual with this thread.
willix
Legend
And you can also queue for wargames with people on Real ID. Once upon a time, real ID cross server queues didn't exist, and that's why you have a lot of the 19 bracket on BH. It was touted as 'the place to go' for 19s, and subsequently ruined the bracket. Also, you're an idiot if you think that group queuing doesn't ruin the quality of games.
You DO realize that there's a difference between directly replying to an individual in a thread, and mentioning a bunch of people who haven't even seen these posts or responded here, right?
They didn't have a chance in the first place, because you grabbed four of your buddies, and queued into a group of people who weren't group queuing. Also, I love the anecdote of how you beat a team that was graveyard farming... by group queuing. Yes, if everyone group queued, there wouldn't be a problem. But not everyone is interested in that type of play, and they show up for games anyway, giving you the possibility of getting games at all.
The very least you could do is avoid group queuing and GY farming. You know, show some respect and courtesy to your fellow tinkers, the guys who make it even possible....
Yes, let's look at the difference between having an extra 2.95% chance not to be parried, and not having it. Before you add that expertise, you have an incredibly small chance to get parried, particularly when it's the worst possible time. After adding that expertise..... you have an incredibly small chance to get parried, particularly when it's the worst possible time.
Do you see any difference there? Cuz I don't. Arguing about the difference in the small chance to get parried on ONE attack, doesn't make any sense. You still get parried, at the worst possible time, causing you to lose and get frustrated that you can't cap expertise. And I realize that Foreman's Gloves were buffed with MoP, since the amount of expertise needed to cap was almost halved. Still, it's not worth the extensive effort, and most of the time you're not going to see the difference.
Comparing expertise and crit is incorrect, the two are functionally different. The more appropriate comparison would be comparing expertise to hit, if hit only affected attacks from the front, and you only had one attack that required you to be facing the front. Those are the important factors, how often you get parried anyway, how many attacks you use where it's important, ect. If rogues didn't have Gouge, then how good Foremans Gloves are wouldn't even be up for discussion.
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willix
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Says some guy who doesn't realize that fun > winning. I give you the opportunity to show us that you're better than some random elitist, but instead you choose winning>all, pretty much as expected.
So how's life without twinking going for you? It's great that you quit, video games need less people who aren't interested in having fun...
Lejn
Banned
Newsflash: Rogues do not have Gouge.
We are talking about Foreman's purely from a damage point of view.
augiddin
Legend
He totally knew that he was just testing you, Willy knows all.
augiddin
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right.................................
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