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Tollo · Jul 30, 2018

Bump - @ohti @tence @Light @Goohdx

Need those lists, homies

ohti · Jul 30, 2018

Tollo said:
Bump - @ohti @tence @Light @Goohdx

Need those lists, homies

right sorry been busy.

I will try to get shadow portion done tonight

Peer · Jul 30, 2018

@Tollo other than full fang on mistweaver and eng goggles, there’s not much else in terms of variety. Cape of the brotherhood and lasting feral heart spaulders maybe?

I’ll work on a MW list for you, if you’re still needing it in like a day.

Light · Jul 30, 2018

Ok gonna work it on it now will just edit this post and paste here, im not gonna include any GFed gear since this intended for new players

Goohd · Jul 31, 2018

Light · Jul 31, 2018

Stat Priority
Intellect>versa>haste>crit

There is no debating that versatility is gonna be the best suffix for holy paladin, the obvious increase in healing/dmg and dmg reduction, but specifically holy shock is meant to be a bursty instant cast for saving lives and also bestow if timed right. You only have flash of light as your casting spell so there really is no need to prioritize haste over versatility, most of your big healing spells are gonna be instant casts.

*IMPORTANT*
So I consider the full slither set to be controversial (you cant mog it, less armor etc.)
It should be said that is not BIS in the long run. In the long run All Front-Lines pieces with the "Adaptable" Suffix is gonna be BIS. However that takes time. For now you will have to settle with Slither set, if you absolutely want to mog WHICH i understand. Go with the chest piece and waist as your 2 set bonus. The first set bonus is the only one that scales high in instance PVP so you only really need the first bonus set. Even when you do get full adaptable pieces. You will still need the first bonus set which will be from the hand and waist slot as they will provide the most stats. Why chest and waist if I want a mog? Its just prefrence since your chest piece will be hidden with your tabard and your waist can be hidden to really make your mog stand out.
AGAIN this is only if you want to mog immediately. Just know that BiS- wise you cannot out run the waist and hands, they will absolutely be bis. Me, i dont even mog them, but I do have access to the Titan Forged Fel gear so it kind of even its out.

TL;DR If you want a cool mog set to start of with, you only need chest and waist for the first set bonus UNTIL you get the full "adaptables" Plate pieces which you can mog and is bis in the long run

GEAR
Head Slot - http://www.wowhead.com/item=10504/green-lens "Of the Aurora" Suffix, and make sure its tilts more to versatility than haste
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/item=122663/eternal-amulet-of-the-redeemed&bonus=0
Shoulders - http://www.wowhead.com/item=122372/strengthened-stockade-pauldrons&bonus=0
Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=120167/bloody-twilight-cloak
Chest - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132739/slither-scale-hauberk / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134655/front-line-breastplate "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Wrist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134658/front-line-armplates "Of the Adaptable" OR "Of the Aurora"
Gloves - Level 20 http://www.wowhead.com/item=132743/slither-scale-gauntlets ITS VITAL THAT YOU APPLY REINFORCEMENT KIT
Waist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132740/slither-scale-cord
Legs - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132742/slither-scale-britches / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134657/front-line-legguards "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Feet - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132741/slither-scale-boots / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134656/front-line-warboots "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Ring 1 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=19525/lorekeepers-ring for Alliance OR http://www.wowhead.com/item=19521/advisors-ring for Horde
Ring 2 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134660/recruits-band "Of the Adaptable" Suffix or http://www.wowhead.com/item=6199/black-widow-band If you can afford it. If you don't have access to either go with recruit band "Of the Aurora" Suffix
Trinket 1 - Situational Really play with the Heirloom trinkets see which one you enjoy but your default should always be http://www.wowhead.com/item=122362/discerning-eye-of-the-beast&bonus=0
Trinket 2 - Situational Really play with the Heirloom trinkets see which one you enjoy but your default should always be http://www.wowhead.com/item=122362/discerning-eye-of-the-beast&bonus=0
Weapon - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134646/recruits-mageblade "Of the Adaptable" or "Of the Aurora"
Shield - http://www.wowhead.com/item=65965/shield-of-the-stockades *Important* Make sure you do this quest at the level you want it to scale to. OR http://www.wowhead.com/item=134662/recruits-redoubt "Of the Adaptable"

ENCHANTS
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/item=128553/enchant-neck-mark-of-the-hidden-satyr
Shoulder - http://www.wowhead.com/item=87559/greater-crane-wing-inscription
Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=110656/enchant-cloak-gift-of-versatility
Wrist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=44947/enchant-bracer-major-stamina
Gloves - http://www.wowhead.com/item=34207/glove-reinforcements
Boots - http://www.wowhead.com/item=38837/enchant-boots-minor-speed
Ring 1 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility
Ring 2 -http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility
Shield - http://www.wowhead.com/item=74729/enchant-off-hand-major-intellect
Weapon - http://www.wowhead.com/item=38918/enchant-weapon-major-intellect

@Tollo Feel free to clean it up if you want

Tollo · Jul 31, 2018

Thanks guys. You guys are G's

We still need:
Druid
Rogue
Shaman
Warlock
Warrior

Feel free to @ anyone that you think could help with these classes.

Maybe @Prague or @Phrontistery?

RBI411 · Jul 31, 2018

@Goohdx Whats the runner up for ranged weapon enchant? Woodchucker requires a level 80 hunter to apply the scope and that might be hard to come by for some. I'm guessing Blastington's Scope>Gnomish X-ray Scope, but I'm not entire sure how agility converts to AP in BFA.

Goohd · Jul 31, 2018

RBI411 said:
@Goohdx Whats the runner up for ranged weapon enchant? Woodchucker requires a level 80 hunter to apply the scope and that might be hard to come by for some. I'm guessing Blastington's Scope>Gnomish X-ray Scope, but I'm not entire sure how agility converts to AP in BFA.

Gnomish x-ray is the better subsitute. 1 agil=1 attack power.

Soda4Matt · Aug 1, 2018

Peer said:
@Tollo other than full fang on mistweaver and eng goggles, there’s not much else in terms of variety. Cape of the brotherhood and lasting feral heart spaulders maybe?

I’ll work on a MW list for you, if you’re still needing it in like a day.

Is 2h or 1h better for mistweaver?

Goesid · Aug 1, 2018

RBI411 said:
@Goohdx Whats the runner up for ranged weapon enchant? Woodchucker requires a level 80 hunter to apply the scope and that might be hard to come by for some. I'm guessing Blastington's Scope>Gnomish X-ray Scope, but I'm not entire sure how agility converts to AP in BFA.

Class trial

Dcm · Aug 1, 2018

@Light If I may ask, if you're going for a more balanced set, why Black Widow? I assume you're using that as opposed to a ring with stam because of the stam bracer enchant?

Also, I'm slightly confused on the int to weapon enchant. I personally haven't tested this enchant myself, but I have tested that 1 int = 1 SP. Does it scale better than SP enchant, which is 9 SP outside of bgs, 14 inside?

Light · Aug 1, 2018

Dcm said:
@Light If I may ask, if you're going for a more balanced set, why Black Widow? I assume you're using that as opposed to a ring with stam because of the stam bracer enchant?

Also, I'm slightly confused on the int to weapon enchant. I personally haven't tested this enchant myself, but I have tested that 1 int = 1 SP. Does it scale better than SP enchant, which is 9 SP outside of bgs, 14 inside?

i follow the stat critter i posted, unless you have adaptable the 6 extra intell is too much to give up compared to the other stats other rings offer
i forgot the name of the weapon enchant, pretty sure both scale to 14
i even recommend using intell trinkets, i dont prioritize stamina over intellect ever unless its a lot and comes with extra suffixes (ex. green lens)

tence · Aug 1, 2018

Light said:
Stat Priority
Intellect>versa>haste>crit

There is no debating that versatility is gonna be the best suffix for holy paladin, the obvious increase in healing/dmg and dmg reduction, but specifically holy shock is meant to be a bursty instant cast for saving lives and also bestow if timed right. You only have flash of light as your casting spell so there really is no need to prioritize haste over versatility, most of your big healing spells are gonna be instant casts.

*IMPORTANT*
So I consider the full slither set to be controversial (you cant mog it, less armor etc.)
It should be said that is not BIS in the long run. In the long run All Front-Lines pieces with the "Adaptable" Suffix is gonna be BIS. However that takes time. For now you will have to settle with Slither set, if you absolutely want to mog WHICH i understand. Go with the chest piece and waist as your 2 set bonus. The first set bonus is the only one that scales high in instance PVP so you only really need the first bonus set. Even when you do get full adaptable pieces. You will still need the first bonus set which will be from the hand and waist slot as they will provide the most stats. Why chest and waist if I want a mog? Its just prefrence since your chest piece will be hidden with your tabard and your waist can be hidden to really make your mog stand out.
AGAIN this is only if you want to mog immediately. Just know that BiS- wise you cannot out run the waist and hands, they will absolutely be bis. Me, i dont even mog them, but I do have access to the Titan Forged Fel gear so it kind of even its out.

TL;DR If you want a cool mog set to start of with, you only need chest and waist for the first set bonus UNTIL you get the full "adaptables" Plate pieces which you can mog and is bis in the long run

GEAR
Head Slot - http://www.wowhead.com/item=10504/green-lens "Of the Aurora" Suffix, and make sure its tilts more to versatility than haste
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/item=122663/eternal-amulet-of-the-redeemed&bonus=0
Shoulders - http://www.wowhead.com/item=122372/strengthened-stockade-pauldrons&bonus=0
Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=120167/bloody-twilight-cloak
Chest - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132739/slither-scale-hauberk / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134655/front-line-breastplate "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Wrist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134658/front-line-armplates "Of the Adaptable" OR "Of the Aurora"
Gloves - Level 20 http://www.wowhead.com/item=132743/slither-scale-gauntlets ITS VITAL THAT YOU APPLY REINFORCEMENT KIT
Waist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132740/slither-scale-cord
Legs - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132742/slither-scale-britches / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134657/front-line-legguards "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Feet - http://www.wowhead.com/item=132741/slither-scale-boots / http://www.wowhead.com/item=134656/front-line-warboots "Of the Adaptable" Suffix
Ring 1 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=19525/lorekeepers-ring for Alliance OR http://www.wowhead.com/item=19521/advisors-ring for Horde
Ring 2 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134660/recruits-band "Of the Adaptable" Suffix or http://www.wowhead.com/item=6199/black-widow-band If you can afford it. If you don't have access to either go with recruit band "Of the Aurora" Suffix
Trinket 1 - Situational Really play with the Heirloom trinkets see which one you enjoy but your default should always be http://www.wowhead.com/item=122362/discerning-eye-of-the-beast&bonus=0
Trinket 2 - Situational Really play with the Heirloom trinkets see which one you enjoy but your default should always be http://www.wowhead.com/item=122362/discerning-eye-of-the-beast&bonus=0
Weapon - http://www.wowhead.com/item=134646/recruits-mageblade "Of the Adaptable" or "Of the Aurora"
Shield - http://www.wowhead.com/item=65965/shield-of-the-stockades *Important* Make sure you do this quest at the level you want it to scale to. OR http://www.wowhead.com/item=134662/recruits-redoubt "Of the Adaptable"

ENCHANTS
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/item=128553/enchant-neck-mark-of-the-hidden-satyr
Shoulder - http://www.wowhead.com/item=87559/greater-crane-wing-inscription
Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/item=110656/enchant-cloak-gift-of-versatility
Wrist - http://www.wowhead.com/item=44947/enchant-bracer-major-stamina
Gloves - http://www.wowhead.com/item=34207/glove-reinforcements
Boots - http://www.wowhead.com/item=38837/enchant-boots-minor-speed
Ring 1 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility
Ring 2 -http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility
Shield - http://www.wowhead.com/item=74729/enchant-off-hand-major-intellect
Weapon - http://www.wowhead.com/item=38918/enchant-weapon-major-intellect

@Tollo Feel free to clean it up if you want

I have held off purposely on adding my guide as I still have testing I am doing, but I have a few observations with what light has put forward.

First of all, this is taking into account non gf'd gear is being used (obtainable boe items are fair game).

For the wrists, would the lvl 20 mindthrust bracers giving 5 int, 6 stam and 5 vers be better than the adaptable bracers with give 4/6/5? You trade a bit of armor for 1 int (well worth it in my eyes).

Secondly in my experience slitherscale far outperforms what the adaptable bg crate items could. simply put int>vers. a lot of int >>> vers.

Thirdly, the best trinkets to use are the pvp heirloom trinket and defending/returning champion. The on use effects, and especially a 2nd trinket is far too useful not to use and outshines 12 intellect any day.

As for enchants, the neck enchant is wrong plain and simple. A holy paladin is not a dps class. Yes you can output dps but with the long cooldowns it is mainly for locking down killing blows. 2 vers/haste (depending on what you desire for your build in hitting haste caps) will impact you far more. Paladins have no dots, or damaging spells. Holy paladins are a healing class.

bracer enchant is fine, assuming you arent using black widow band otherwise, why make a build that is more balanced but use glass cannon gear?

lastly the wep enchant does not provide as much sp. scale is gives 12 int vs 14 sp of the other enchant. Simple math shows me the 14 is a higher number than 12 so, it is slightly better.

Edit*
black husk shield gives 1 more vers than current ilvl stockade shield.

Holy paladins can be good with the right player, but they are also very easy to lock down without the burst heals of priest or healy monks. Overall there are some strong choices for gearing that you have identified and you are on the right track, but there is some fine tuning this guide still needs for it to be utilized. Solid 7/10 effort great job light!

Light · Aug 1, 2018

tence said:
I have held off purposely on adding my guide as I still have testing I am doing, but I have a few observations with what light has put forward.

First of all, this is taking into account non gf'd gear is being used (obtainable boe items are fair game).

For the wrists, would the lvl 20 mindthrust bracers giving 5 int, 6 stam and 5 vers be better than the adaptable bracers with give 4/6/5? You trade a bit of armor for 1 int (well worth it in my eyes).

Secondly in my experience slitherscale far outperforms what the adaptable bg crate items could. simply put int>vers. a lot of int >>> vers.

Thirdly, the best trinkets to use are the pvp heirloom trinket and defending/returning champion. The on use effects, and especially a 2nd trinket is far too useful not to use and outshines 12 intellect any day.

As for enchants, the neck enchant is wrong plain and simple. A holy paladin is not a dps class. Yes you can output dps but with the long cooldowns it is mainly for locking down killing blows. 2 vers/haste (depending on what you desire for your build in hitting haste caps) will impact you far more. Paladins have no dots, or damaging spells. Holy paladins are a healing class.

bracer enchant is fine, assuming you arent using black widow band otherwise, why make a build that is more balanced but use glass cannon gear?

lastly the wep enchant does not provide as much sp. scale is gives 12 int vs 14 sp of the other enchant. Simple math shows me the 14 is a higher number than 12 so, it is slightly better.

Edit*
black husk shield gives 1 more vers than current ilvl stockade shield.

Holy paladins can be good with the right player, but they are also very easy to lock down without the burst heals of priest or healy monks. Overall there are some strong choices for gearing that you have identified and you are on the right track, but there is some fine tuning this guide still needs for it to be utilized. Solid 7/10 effort great job light!

Holding it down until you post it =D

Goohd · Aug 1, 2018

Light sucks at theorycrafting

tence · Aug 2, 2018

*Reserved for Holy paladin guide

Stat Priority
Int/sp>Haste (up to 50 rating while in instanced pvp)>versatility>stamina>crit

Intellect is the best stat for holy paladin for obvious reasons. For the build I am going with we are reaching the 1.3s cast time for flash of light which requires 50 haste rating in stanced pvp. Any haste rating above or below that 50 rating is useless and should be avoided if possible. Versatility is a cool stat and helps to increase survivability as well as increasing healing (much less than int though). Stamina is important for obvious reasons, this build will have about 2k unbuffed hp in instanced pvp. Finally crit is a garbage stat for a healer and should be avoided like the plague; Rng and healing do not mix well.

Gear choices

Head: Green lens (of the aurora 9/9) *if you get a higher haste version just change one of the neck/ring haste enchants for vers and you'll still be golden.
Neck: Eternal Amulet of the Redeemed
Shoulders: Strengthened Stockade Pauldrons
Cloak: Bloody Twilight Cloak
Chest: Slither-Scale Hauberk
Wrists: Front-Line Armplates (of the aurora +3 haste +2 versatility)
Gloves: Slither-Scale Gauntlets
Waist: Slither-Scale Cord
Legs: Slither-Scale Britches
Boots: Slither-Scale Boots
Rings: Lorekeeper's Ring / Black Widow Band
Trinkets: Defending Champion (or Returning Champion) / Inherited Insignia of the alliance or Horde
Weapon: Recruit's Mageblade (of the Aurora)
Shield: Weathered Observer's Shield (until you get an aurora blue bg crate sheild)

Enchants

Neck: Enchant neck: Gift of Haste
Shoulders: Greater inscription of Charged Lodestone
Cloak: Enchant cloak: Gift of Haste
Chest: Enchant Chest: Glorious Stats
Wrists: Enchant bracer - Major intellect
Gloves: Glove Reinforcements
Boots: Enchant boots: Minor Speed
Rings: Enchant ring: Binding of Haste
Weapon: Enchant weapon: Healing Power
Shield: Enchant off-hand: Major intellect

This set provides the most healing output while still providing a good amount of hp and defensive tools. You will be a bit squishy with the lack of plate gear on, but good positioning and awareness should mitigate this.

Because of the lack of safety nets that other classes have (disc in general, mw monk burst healing, and R druid in general) learning how to fake cast is a must if you expect to succeed as an hpally in this upcoming rogue/warrior melee meta. 60-70% of your heals are going to come from flash of light. As such, if you are new to healing or inexperienced I would not recommend you roll this class. You will absolutely have to work hard if you expect to keep up with the other healers but it is absolutely possible. If you are looking for a solid healer that is challenging (and rewarding/fun) I would highly recommend you roll one and rep this under represented class.

If anyone has any holy paladin or healer related questions feel free to message me in game or add me on realid (tence#1950). Healing is a lot of fun and has honestly been my favourite aspect of this game for years now.

Peer · Aug 2, 2018

Soda4Matt said:
Is 2h or 1h better for mistweaver?

1h + OH

Dcm · Aug 4, 2018

I saw that you need a veteran MW guide still, so I decided to make one up for you, especially since I did most of it earlier.

Stat Priority: 2k HP > Int > Vers > Crit > Haste

Someone posted this stat priority on the forums in a different thread, and after testing myself, I 100% agree. The only thing I changed is that I would prioritize crit secondary stat over haste, if you were to have to pick.

MW got completely revamped with this new patch, and not only are their standalone heals very strong, but their damage is arguably higher than that of WW. Intellect is the best stat over all because of course it increases not only the magnitude of your heals, but also your damaging abilities. Versatility is the best secondary stat to prioritize, for the same reason why intellect is the best overall stat, however it isn't prioritized over intellect due to the fact that 1 int > 1 vers. Versatility also offers a small boost to personal survivability. Lastly, the reason why I say crit > haste for the other secondary stat priority is because haste seems to do very minimal for MW as far as their heals, since everything is either heal over time/instant cast or channeled. Crit gives a boost to damage, which as mentioned earlier, is partially what makes MW very good aside from their great healing.

Gear

Head: Green Lens of the Quickblade (11 Vers/6 Crit)
Neck: Eternal Amulet of the Redeemed
Shoulders: Preened Ironfeather Shoulders
Cloak: Tumultuous Cloak of the Quickblade (3 Vers/2 Crit)
Chest: Armor of the Fang
Bracer: Mindthrust Bracers (scaled version)/Rookie's Bindings Adaptable/Quickblade (3 Vers/2 Crit)
Gloves: Gloves of the Fang (scaled version)
Belt: Belt of the Fang
Legs: Leggings of the Fang
Boots: Footpads of the Fang
Rings: Advisor's Ring (horde)/Lorekeeper's Ring (alliance)/Recruit's Band Adaptable/Quickblade (3 Vers/2 Crit)
Trinkets: Defending Champion/Returning Champion/Discerning Eye of the Beast
Weapon: Recruit's Mageblade Adaptable/Quickblade (3 Vers/2 Crit)
Off-Hand: Recruit's Endgame Adaptable/Quickblade (3 Vers/2 Crit)

Enchants

Neck: Mark of the Hidden Satyr
Shoulders: Greater Crane Wing Inscription
Cloak: Gift of Versatility
Chest: Glorious Stats
Bracer: Superior Spellpower
Gloves: Glove Reinforcements
Legs: Heavy Armor Kit
Boots: Minor Speed
Rings: Binding of Versatility
Weapon: Elemental Force/Healing Power
Off-Hand: Major Intellect

So for a quick explanation of enchants:

I picked Satyr for neck over the pure stats because MW has very high potential for damage. With Rising Sun Kick, Blackout Kick (especially with 3 stacks of Teachings of the Monastery), and Crackling Jade Lightning, there is so much for it to proc off of, especially if you were to compare it to the potential that a non-dps healing class can put out (ie- holy paladin).

Same explanation as above goes for Elemental Force, however, I put Healing Power on there as a secondary, because you can swap these out based on situation. If your team is struggling with heals, and that is where you are focusing most/all of your time, then use SP weapon as it will benefit you more. Otherwise, Elemental Force is your go to.

Goesid · Aug 4, 2018

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