Assassin's Blade and Talon of Vultros

Curley said:
So let me get this all straight... Scout's blade appears to be best for ambushing and mut along with the heartseeker OH. This looks like the best setup based off specials. In addition, these weapons are faster and provide great posion procs.
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Yes it seems, its crazy i learn this thing today, thx lejn anyway
 
Since specials are your only concerns, some math for specials:
It basically comes down to 3 (1%) crit against 0.5 weapon damage and 1 agility, I'll assume that it gives about 0.2% crit, and 2 ap. 2 ap give about 0.24 nominal weapon damage (1.7 * 2/14) which results in a total 0.74 nominal weapon damage (0.5+0.24). That leaves us with 0.8% crit against 0.74 weapon damage. 0.74 weapon damage gives you 3.49 increased ambush damage and 1.9 increased mutilate damage (0.74*4.7 and 0.74+0.12*2.2).
0.8% crit increases your average ambush and mutilate damage by 0.8%. That means the damage from crit exceeds the damage from weapon damage and agility if 0.8% of your damage is greater than 3.49 for ambush and 1.9 for mutilate.
Ambush beats 3.49 at 436.25 (3.49/0.008) and mutilate beats 1.9 at 237.5 (1.9/0.008).
This means he your ambush does more than 436.25 damage and your mutilate does more than 237.5 HS beats scout's for dps with specials. All numbers are before armor and resilience. Feel free to correct me.
 
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Lejn said:
Since specials are your only concerns, some math for specials:
It basically comes down to 3 (1%) crit against 0.5 weapon damage and 1 agility, I'll assume that it gives about 0.2% crit, and 2 ap. 2 ap give about 0.24 nominal weapon damage (1.7 * 2/14) which results in a total 0.74 nominal weapon damage (0.5+0.24). That leaves us with 0.8% crit against 0.74 weapon damage. 0.74 weapon damage gives you 3.49 increased ambush damage and 1.9 increased mutilate damage (0.74*4.7 and 0.74+0.12*2.2).
0.8% crit increases your average ambush and mutilate damage by 0.8%. That means the damage from crit exceeds the damage from weapon damage and agility if 0.8% of your damage is greater than 3.49 for ambush and 1.9 for mutilate.
Ambush beats 3.49 at 436.25 (3.49/0.008) and mutilate beats 1.9 at 237.5 (1.9/0.008).
This means he your ambush does more than 436.25 damage and your mutilate does more than 237.5 HS beats scout's for dps with specials. All numbers are before armor and resilience. Feel free to correct me.
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So HS bis for both weps?
 
Lejn said:
My input: ToV is worse than all of them. How they compete between on each other depends on stat values, I would have to em actual testing for that. Before you tell of something about the total top end, normalized dagger damage is: (weapon dps * weapon speed) + (ap / 14) * 1.7
Only the actual top end on the weapon matters.
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Are you sure that is right formula? Does weapon base dmg = weapon dps?
Normalization - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
 
WHen 1 of best rogue EU and 1 of the best rogue US debate about gear you enjoy reading this kind of thread.
 
Double HS will be BiS just did the math. Will give most posion procs and will only lose about 10 dmg on an ambush and 20 on a crit which is nothing compared to a kris. This will also give about 2 percent more crit than double kris.
 
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dual goblin screwdiver new bis as of 5.4 i have tested this with my frends on PTR and its by far best combined with dual fiery weapons (with new scalin shitz) proc like crazy u maintain huge dmg.

btw selling 2x goblin scrediver on draenor horde 50k each

thx bai
 
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