Ashen Gloves

It's not personal preference, Ashen as BiS
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It's bis depending on what you're going for if u run boa shoulders it's bis. Fang are bis for legit best in slot full ap which is what OP asked.
The maxx damage rogue isn't dead.
 
It's really not worrh swapping no matter what.

When you use double ele force and ambush, you get 2 ele force procs on ambush.

If you use potency on ambush, the number will be bigger but you wont get the ele force on ambush, then when you switch weapons, you waste a GCD and your white attacks reset.

i agree with your logic. It's situational based.


Example:

Potency or double potency is great when you are stacking full AP set also agility on boots with full versatility enchants (even on cloak) when Fc has stacks for the biggest ambush burst then a double ele force. Everything is situational.

Every rogue should have mulit weapons enchanted for situations n personal preferences/play style.
 
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Potency or double potency is great when you are stacking full AP set also agility on boots with full versatility enchants (even on cloak) when Fc has stacks for the biggest ambush burst then a double ele force. Everything is situational.

Every rogue should have mulit weapons enchanted for situations n personal preferences/play style.

Let me simplify it for you since you didn't seem to understand me

Lets say with double ele force your ambush is 1500 plus 112.5 per ele force proc, this is 1725 ambush essentially

Lets say with double potency your ambush is 1650

At 10 stacks, you will do double damage

2x Ele force is 1750 x2 which is 3450
2x Potency is 1650 x2 which is 3300

If something is BiS at no stacks, it will be BiS at high stacks as well
 
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i agree with your logic. It's situational based.


Example:

Potency or double potency is great when you are stacking full AP set also agility on boots with full versatility enchants (even on cloak) when Fc has stacks for the biggest ambush burst then a double ele force. Everything is situational.

Every rogue should have mulit weapons enchanted for situations n personal preferences/play style.

100%
 
Let me simplify it for you since you didn't seem to understand me

Lets say with double ele force your ambush is 1500 plus 112.5 per ele force proc, this is 1750 ambush essentially

Lets say with double potency your ambush is 1650

At 10 stacks, you will do double damage

2x Ele force is 1750 x2 which is 3500
2x Potency is 1650 x2 which is 3300

If something is BiS at no stacks, it will be BiS at high stacks as well

i understand but I'm using my high AP as a multiplier with versatile stacking for high ambush on Fcs with stacks. I'm looking to hit in the 4K-5k+ range minimum. Not a 200-350 more damage.


also at lvl 10 vitality ( combat ) increases my AP by 50% plus also nightstalker talent increases AP by a % for every rogue.
 
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i understand but I'm using my high AP as a multiplier with versatile stacking for high ambush on Fcs with stacks. I'm looking to hit in the 4K-5k+ range minimum. Not a 200-350 more damage.


also at lvl 10 vitality ( combat ) increases my AP by 50%


You didn't understand me, but nvm
 
I understand I agree with double ele force on 99.9 situations over potency in any other situation except for an EFC with high/10 stacks. I play with double ele force on a regular basis. But on a 10 stack EFc I'm wearing double potency.

If u want to wear double ele force on a 10 stack EFc doesn't make u wrong either in theory both should kill EFc but I like big numbers. I'm a whore like that. :)


#TooStoneToCare
 
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2x Ele force is 1750 x2 which is 3450
2x Potency is 1650 x2 which is 3300

If something is BiS at no stacks, it will be BiS at high stacks as well

I am not sure about the order of priority but couldn´t Natures Guardian dissent your point?
- lets imagine a Shaman FC with 3200 HP an NG
- with Potency you would Oneshot him for your 3300 dmg
- with ele force he would drop down to 200 HP (3k ambush), then pop NG, get back to 1k Health, then down to 550 with ele force.
Is EF bound to the attack or is there like a turn order?
 
I am not sure about the order of priority but couldn´t Natures Guardian dissent your point?
- lets imagine a Shaman FC with 3200 HP an NG
- with Potency you would Oneshot him for your 3300 dmg
- with ele force he would drop down to 200 HP (3k ambush), then pop NG, get back to 1k Health, then down to 550 with ele force.
Is EF bound to the attack or is there like a turn order?

The thing about ele force is it is almost gaurenteed to proc on ambush. How RPPM works is it calculates the last time ele force procced, and it procs accordingly. So if you didnt have an ele force proc (which you wouldn't have since you arent in combat), it will almost ALWAYS give you a double proc on ambish.
 
The thing about ele force is it is almost gaurenteed to proc on ambush. How RPPM works is it calculates the last time ele force procced, and it procs accordingly. So if you didnt have an ele force proc (which you wouldn't have since you arent in combat), it will almost ALWAYS give you a double proc on ambish.
Nono thats not what I meant. I am interested in the order of occurence.
Lets assume EF is 100% Proc and 100% Crit and I get ambushed for 3k + EF with 450. I have 3200 HP.
Does Natures Guardian proc between Ambush and EF or does WoW accumulate both Dmg-Types to one attack.
If its the former your example from above with higher always better
isnt 100% accurate. If its the latter I hate NG even more.
 
Nono thats not what I meant. I am interested in the order of occurence.
Lets assume EF is 100% Proc and 100% Crit and I get ambushed for 3k + EF with 450. I have 3200 HP.
Does Natures Guardian proc between Ambush and EF or does WoW accumulate both Dmg-Types to one attack.
If its the former your example from above with higher always better
isnt 100% accurate. If its the latter I hate NG even more.

Oh, I misunderstood your statement :p

Yes, natures gaurdian would proc in that situation, but it would be such a rare occurrence that the EFC has enough hp to get 1 shot by potency but wouldn't have enough hp to get 1 shot otherwise which would trigger nature gaurdian. Plus shamans rarely FC in the current infestation of Druids in the bracket.
 
for the small amount of rogue ive been playing in wod my preference is Landslide Mh and 11 ap/ele force OH.
id trade my 150 or w/e dmg ele force does in mh for the rng of a landslide proc any day :)
 

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