Are you DF ready? Last minute advice thread for 29s
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JadeFire
Worthless
Should be 89, to be fair. 1 step above blue (3 ilvl now, 1 ilvl before) like crappy epics used to be.
edit- but god forbid epics actually feel epic in a diverse, loot-oriented game. Yeah let's smash that shit to the ground.
If the epics were not grandfathered and you had to play for 6 months to get them (even if you had to win as much as classic summer)... that is fine... but being better just because you farmed ToC is trash. I'll get tired of 2 shotting people on my 112 Ret after about 3 BGs... it's stupid from any angle you want to look at it.
PvP should just be even, at least even for what you can get as a twink.
But, they probably wont be fixed to be fair, just like the holiday necklace and such.
But you can just look at some of the gimped out guys in full 112 and even if they are trash or not... they are immune to somebody wearing i86... its painfully obvious. When you remove skill you just have a shit-fire.
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Warglave
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But that's the point, only twinks are going to have enough of them to be too powerful... which is exactly what XPoff is for.
By the time levelers got more than 2-3 pieces they'd already be leveled into the next bracket and getting better greens.
There's nothing wrong with them aside from the ease of access for 29, but again... tough titties, this is XPoff.
AND.... that they changed the dungeon so they're blue. Sucks for new 29 but still ----> welcome to twinking.
JadeFire
Worthless
But I mean, you are dealing x amounts of twinks... 25% (if we are being generous) of them got the 112s... you now just have a bunch of premades in 112s that are unkillable on either side... its trash.
Warglave
Veteran
Yeah, sorry, I added that as you replied. Agreed it sucks that they grandfathered the gear and not just the enchants.
edit- People can still grind out full 112 WoD style if they ever unfuck the dungeon loot tho. Not even difficult.
The ToC sockets for regen are kind of another story tho, I dont think it's too broken but it's not useless either.
WoD sockets on epic are few and far between.
edit- People can still grind out full 112 WoD style if they ever unfuck the dungeon loot tho. Not even difficult.
The ToC sockets for regen are kind of another story tho, I dont think it's too broken but it's not useless either.
WoD sockets on epic are few and far between.
JadeFire
Worthless
As usual I only read about 6.268% of what is posted. You think that all warforged gear will/should be 112?
Warglave
Veteran
No, WoD dungeon gear has always been able to proc epic. When it's back to proper level anyone can go grind it out.
29, 20, 10... just a matter of RNG and perserverence but it's not all that uncommon to get 1-2 every couple runs.
I dont know why different types of gear scale to different ilvls, thats just dumb and should be elimnated... but blizz is dumb too. Yes I think every epic should be 112 for 29. I dont think blizz is going to tho, no. Doesnt have to be 112 tho.
What did it used to be, 6 ilvl better for an epic? That'd be 18 ilvl now, or like 104? Good 'nuff.
29, 20, 10... just a matter of RNG and perserverence but it's not all that uncommon to get 1-2 every couple runs.
I dont know why different types of gear scale to different ilvls, thats just dumb and should be elimnated... but blizz is dumb too. Yes I think every epic should be 112 for 29. I dont think blizz is going to tho, no. Doesnt have to be 112 tho.
What did it used to be, 6 ilvl better for an epic? That'd be 18 ilvl now, or like 104? Good 'nuff.
Depression
Veteran
Granted the new epics if made available to 29s once again will only be ilvl 89 if we are going based on the fact that old world dungeon epics for required level 30s are only ilvl 91
Also historically speaking "Twinking" has always been about getting the best gear at that level. Since when did that change to "it needs to be fair"? Don't get me wrong. I don't enjoy having every item grandfathered. One or two sure but not all of them, but everyone, unless you couldn't play within the last month whatsoever, could have grinded out ToC or warforged gear. Everyone was afforded the same opportunity. The only ones that I feel could complain at all are brand new twinks to the bracket made after the 15th.
Edit - with this being said. Some of my favorite matches ever were at 59 pre level squish when all we did was wargame and both teams were evenly matched (gear/class). But at that point other than being lower level with less abilities, how is that any different than playing rated BG's at max?
Also historically speaking "Twinking" has always been about getting the best gear at that level. Since when did that change to "it needs to be fair"? Don't get me wrong. I don't enjoy having every item grandfathered. One or two sure but not all of them, but everyone, unless you couldn't play within the last month whatsoever, could have grinded out ToC or warforged gear. Everyone was afforded the same opportunity. The only ones that I feel could complain at all are brand new twinks to the bracket made after the 15th.
Edit - with this being said. Some of my favorite matches ever were at 59 pre level squish when all we did was wargame and both teams were evenly matched (gear/class). But at that point other than being lower level with less abilities, how is that any different than playing rated BG's at max?
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Warglave
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89 would be just like the post squish epics, useless and bland.... so yeah, I 100% expect blizz to opt for that.
Was always a surprise to see epic being anything better than a purple blue.
1 ilvl upgrade for an epic warforge? (3 ilvl as it works now).... what's the fuckin point?
Was always a surprise to see epic being anything better than a purple blue.
1 ilvl upgrade for an epic warforge? (3 ilvl as it works now).... what's the fuckin point?
JadeFire
Worthless
My main point is that there should be no disagreement with Blizzard actively trying to fix any/every item... I get its fun to run around with some weapon/neck/whatever that just annihilates other people regardless of skill... but, the goal should be to fix those items... not let them just be a continuous blight on game design and effect the enjoyment of everybody playing.
You want to act like 2 weeks of prep time should give you a permanent 2 year debilitating advantage over somebody who could have just been on vacation, etc... I refuse to believe that anybody is actually that absurdly stupid/honestly feels that way.
Depression
Veteran
Dragonflight beta started 9-1-22. Ilvl change on live didn't happen until 11-15-22. Plenty of time for anyone to prepare
JadeFire
Worthless
Not trying to convince you, you are just wrong. Luckily for you you can be wrong and have blizzard do nothing at the same time. It's an unfair advantage that a monkey can see, your opinion does not change it.
Already tired of playing my 112 ret... could just be a mental thing I guess... playing with basically a 90s game genie on SHOULD grate on your psyche, I can't speak for everybody. Some people can just mentally grind that advantage, blows my mind. It's just like playing bowling with gutter guards and never getting tired of it.
Depression
Veteran
That right there is the definitive explanation of what Twinking is. Like it or hate it. Twinking only exist because of that power gap.
Depression
Veteran
Jade is going to hate twinking til the day he dies, still twinking and complaining about how unfair twinking is...
Anyone who twinks and complains about "unfair advantage" is a hypocrite, considering how twinks are meant to be "unfair" to begin with.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
You don’t need to feel ashamed of your 112
I farmed full ToC, PoS, FoS, and HoR 112’s on 10 characters with the exception of a few pieces. I farmed 112 Classic Weapons on 6 of them too. I haven’t done a single BG yet, and don’t plan to. I’m waiting for the dust to settle. Everyone is whining right now but Blizz clearly hasn’t finished scaling stuff and many dungeons aren’t dropping scaled loot. All this will change soon. Idk if the change will allow others to farm 112’s but a lot people are whining prematurely imo. No one has any patience
Warglave
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I agree to a point, up to stuff like 192 ilvl game bugs and the HoA gear last xpac (was fun tho), but ToC gear was easy as ball to obtain. Anyone that didnt has only themselves to blame on that one. It was well spread info and easy as hell to get.
If the new dungeon loot levels are permanent (cant see how) then twinking is dead and gone. Completely disallowing anyone new to get gear is a direct attack on the niche. Blizz would literally be saying "fuck off, bye" to xpoff PvP.
Depression
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At least to the F2P, vet 20's, and 29's. 39's would be the new meta for proper Twinking since most dungeon loot is around 30-35 required level. But we shall see.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
I mean I’ll never say it’s never gonna happen but it seems beyond unlikely that those level changes will stay as is on everything. Why would they intentionally allow you to queue WoD Dungeons starting as low as level 10, but have all loot that drops be level 40 required loot no matter what level toon you loot with (including toons 41-50). That seems unintended to me unless they are planning to change all WoD questing zones and dungeon queues to 40+ as well.