Am i BiS now? :C
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Allybeboba
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Not quite sure where you get that I am talking purely about me. Unless you are just trying to start an arguement because that is what I think you are trying to do. Are you talking about rogues and AGMs? Or are just trying to derail this thread? Which is it?
Sure, AGM may be grandfathered as have many items. And many of those grandfathered items are inferior to gear that we have now. AGM has a 15 min CD. Which, unless you use it early on in a BG, you only get to use one time. Yes, one single time. Where as, BM trinket you can use as many times as 8-9 times. With only one less stamina plus it's buff can not be purged.
The new AGM adds versatility to that equation. That means more damage/healing out and less damage taken. And it also has a 2 minute cooldown. Let's compare...
An item that has one time use BG that can be purged with one extra stamina.
Or an item that you can use 8-9 times in a BG that has only one less stamina that does not add to your damage.
Or an item that you can use 8-9 times in a BG that has one less stamina and has a stat that can increase damage.
I wonder what rogues will choose?
/cheers
Sure, AGM may be grandfathered as have many items. And many of those grandfathered items are inferior to gear that we have now. AGM has a 15 min CD. Which, unless you use it early on in a BG, you only get to use one time. Yes, one single time. Where as, BM trinket you can use as many times as 8-9 times. With only one less stamina plus it's buff can not be purged.
The new AGM adds versatility to that equation. That means more damage/healing out and less damage taken. And it also has a 2 minute cooldown. Let's compare...
An item that has one time use BG that can be purged with one extra stamina.
Or an item that you can use 8-9 times in a BG that has only one less stamina that does not add to your damage.
Or an item that you can use 8-9 times in a BG that has one less stamina and has a stat that can increase damage.
I wonder what rogues will choose?
/cheers
Petyr
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If possible, you should try to obtain an AGM and Blackened Defias Boots (for the set's armor bonus). I've also noticed that most combat rogues tend to stack more haste (foreman's, boa legs) but that comes down to personal preference - not sure if you use this set in bgs or not, but I've found balanced sets to be far more effective in this patch than glass cannon ones. Once again, bis is all about personal preference - if this set maximizes your playing ability, then sure, you could say it's bis.
I would still highly recommend having a 2nd set for situations where agi stacking isn't effective. As for AGM, it honestly isn't a must-have item for combat rogues in pugs, but I would pick one up for if you ever respec or play premades/skirms - it's essential for subtlety and useful for both assassination and combat.
I would still highly recommend having a 2nd set for situations where agi stacking isn't effective. As for AGM, it honestly isn't a must-have item for combat rogues in pugs, but I would pick one up for if you ever respec or play premades/skirms - it's essential for subtlety and useful for both assassination and combat.
Mesikämmen
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Race change to dwarf and you will not need AGM
Well, even if you were dwarf, AGM would be bis because it'd give you a 2nd cooldown to get a restealth despite having DoTs on
You only mentioned how YOU like to play in the post, and how you feel like it's useless to the classes YOU play. Hence it's really easy to figure that you were talking about YOUrself, as usual.
The fact that some grandfathered items are not BiS anymore has nothing to do with this issue. There are also items that were shit when available to anyone, but became really good after being gf'd.
Your argument about the 15min cd is stupid. One can switch the AGM to whatever trinket he chooses, at any time he is out of combat in a bg. What's better, using BM trinket 8-9 times or using AGM twice AND using bm trinket 8-9 times during a bg? You do the math.
Like said, no-one has reflexes quick enough to purge at the exact millisecond a rogue chooses to use his agm -> stealth macro. If you're not using AGM for this, then yeah BM is better.
Not sure why you are even taking the versa trinkets into equation when they are not even in the game yet. This discussion was about agm vs bm, nothing else.
Bottom line: agm is without a doubt best in slot for a rogue, anyone claiming something else is either clueless, stupid, or too lazy to get an AGM.
Petyr
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Well, even if you were dwarf, AGM would be bis because it'd give you a 2nd cooldown to get a restealth despite having DoTs on
You only mentioned how YOU like to play in the post, and how you feel like it's useless to the classes YOU play. Hence it's really easy to figure that you were talking about YOUrself, as usual.
The fact that some grandfathered items are not BiS anymore has nothing to do with this issue. There are also items that were shit when available to anyone, but became really good after being gf'd.
Your argument about the 15min cd is stupid. One can switch the AGM to whatever trinket he chooses, at any time he is out of combat in a bg. What's better, using BM trinket 8-9 times or using AGM twice AND using bm trinket 8-9 times? You do the math.
Like said, no-one has reflexes quick enough to purge at the exact millisecond a rogue chooses to use his agm -> stealth macro. If you're not using AGM for this, then yeah BM is better.
Not sure why you are even taking the versa trinkets into equation when they are not even in the game yet. This discussion was about agm vs bm, nothing else.
Bottom line: agm is without a doubt best in slot for a rogue, anyone claiming something else is either clueless, stupid, or too lazy to get an AGM.
100% agreed with your post. Having AGM is essential for a truly best in slot rogue, yet its usage still comes down to personal preference and playing style - some may even find not using it to be currently advantageous. Personally, as a sub rogue, I can't stand playing my characters without it, yet I see why some people may have less incentive for obtaining it on newer rogues (due the current meta, in which combat is fotm).
I've noticed that many vet combat rogues, including some who already have AGM, are permanently using the haste or tyranny trinkets in bgs instead - either due to personal preference or laziness in not utilizing an AGM swap macro. With the amount of consumables available to p2p rogues, it's worth noting that AGM isn't going to be the determining factor in most engagements. Thistle tea, swift pots, antivenom, gliders, etc. - if you have the patience to farm consumables, it allows you to completely trivialize most encounters in pugs to the point where there is little use for AGM's restealths. With that said, I personally still use AGM in all bgs for subtlety and I'd say that most combat rogues, especially nelfs, should use it as well. It's definitely situationally bis, but in most cases it's not going to be a major determining factor in a combat rogue's playing abilities.
Premades and arenas are an entirely different situation - having and using AGM for restealths is a must for all rogue specs in order to play effectively.
Totally agreed on the bottom line - even with the recent (and future) changes to trinkets, there's no reason not to at least have an AGM on a "bis" rogue, especially when it can be obtained relatively easily via crzing. Some rogues may currently prefer to use other trinkets, but there are no downsides to at least having an AGM due to its situational usefulness - to what extent the rogue decides to use it is personal preference though, as you mentioned.
tl;dr: rogues should have AGM to take into account for future changes to spec balance, and the potential for it being gf'd, even if it isn't always the best option for random bgs with combat spec at the moment.
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Dude i'll most definatly read it when i get home from work
i appreciate all information i can get on the subject. i'll reply later tonight with some thoughts on the text.
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I do have legs i can change out for the armor bonus but glass cannon is the way imo since i can do the objectives better i.e killing FC and Healers fast.
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Actually you're right it doesn't.
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Read it through couldn't be arsed to go through all of the points you're more than welcome to imply that i don't have answers for the rest
1. Marijuana activates the same pleasure centers in the brain that are targeted by heroin, cocaine and alcohol. (Dr. Gaetano Di Chiara, University of Caligari, Italy)
The certain pleasure center that is activated when you inhale THC is the pleasure center responsible for Dopamine the biggest difference between heroin and cocain is that you
impare the dopamine receptors making it harder to feel happy for a certain period of time afterwards this is not the specific case with cannabis.
2.Marijuana smoking affects the brain and leads to impaired short-term memory, perception, judgment and motor skills. (Marijuana Facts: Parents Need to Know, National Institute on Drug Abuse )
While this is true this is something that's only been proven in adolescents since i'm not an adolescent it's not a reason for me to stop also
So does Alcohol x100.
3. The daily use of 1 to 3 marijuana joints appears to produce approximately the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking 5 times as many cigarettes.(UCLA) The study results suggest that the way smokers inhale marijuana, in addition to its chemical composition, increases the adverse physical effects. The same lung cancer risks associated with tobacco also apply to marijuana users, even though they smoke far less. (reported in NIDA Capsules)
For something to be cancer inducing the subtance has to be radioactive which cannabis isn't it's a plant.. While some people in the EU where i live do mix it out with tobacco which is radioactive and is cancer inducing that's not something i do.
4. Marijuana and some of its compounds influence the immune system and affect the body's ability to resist viruses, bacteria, fungi and protozoa, and decreases the body's anti tumor activities.Marijuana has the potential to alter the backup safeguards of the immune system because it affects diverse types of cells in the body. This could compromise the immune system's ability to screen out cancer cells and eliminate infection. (Dr. Guy A. Cabral, Professor, Medical College of Virginia, speaking at NlDA's National Conference on Marijuana Use: Prevention, Treatment and Research.)
This is just straight up not true and has no scientifical fact behind it whatsoever.
5. Attention, memory and learning are impaired among heavy marijuana users, even after users discontinued its use for at least 24 hours. Heavy marijuana use is associated with residual neuropsychological effects even after a day of supervised abstinence from the drug. Heavy users displayed significantly greater impairment than light users on attention/executive functions, as evidenced particularly by greater preservations on card sorting and reduced learning of word lists. These differences remained after controlling for potential confounding variables, such as estimated levels of premorbid cognitive functioning, and for use of alcohol and other substances in the two groups. However, the question remains open as to whether this impairment is due to a residue of drug in the brain, a withdrawal effect from the drug, or a frank neurotoxic effect of the drug. ("The Residual Cognitive Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use in College Students," Pope, HG Jr., Yurgelun-Todd, D., Biological Psychiatry Laboratory, McLean Hospital, Belmont, MA, JAMA February 21, 1996.)
While a persons memory and learning are impared among heavy marijuana users it's something that has proven to only affect adolescents once again which once again is something i'm not.
6. In a survey of 150 marijuana using students, 59% surveyed report they sometimes forget what a conversation is about before it has ended. 41% report if they read while stoned they remembered less of what they had read hours later.(Dr. Richard Schwartz, Vienna Pediatric Associates in Psychiatric Annals as reported in NIDA Capsules)
In the same sense you wouldn't drink yourself shitfaced if you needed to do something important or study for a test you wouldn't smoke yourself senseless a bad example imo...
7. A roadside study of reckless drivers who were not impaired by alcohol, showed that 45% of these drivers tested positive for marijuana. (Dr. Dan Brookoff, published in the New England Journal of Medicine)
The highlighted part says it all there aren't that many other drugs that are tested when it comes to reckless driving and a person shooting heroin or on LSD/Shrooms, amphetamines wouldn't even be able to make a car function when high...
9. Benzopyrene is the chemical in tobacco that causes lung cancer. An average marijuana cigarette contains nearly50% more benzopyrene than a tobacco cigarette. An average marijuana cigarette contains 30 nanograms of this carcinogen compared to 21 nanograms in an average tobacco cigarette (Marijuana and Health, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine Report, 1982) Benzopyrene suppresses a gene that controls growth of cells. When this gene is damaged the body becomes more susceptible to cancer. This gene is related to half of all human cancers and as many as 70% of lung cancers.
This information were written in 1982.... i rest my case.
10. Marijuana smoke produces airway injury, acuteand chronic bronchitis, lung inflammation, and decreased pulmonary defenses against infection. Smoking one marijuana cigarette leads to air deposition of four times as much cancer-causing tar as does tobacco smoke (Dr. D. Tashkin, Western Journal of Medicine)
This has been disproven countless times one as an example being Dough Benson in the movie "Super High Me" a movie about him smoking weed/being high for a month straight, he did tests on lungs, airways and something else which i cannot remember which the constant using of cannbis had less to none/none effect on.
And the biggest point of all is that the text is written with a bias..
"A fact sheet on the effects of marijuana this is from the partnership for a drug free America which states all claims have been substantiated by the National institue on Druge Abuse"
Sorry for my half bad english just came home from a 12 hour shift, looking forward to your response
Edit: It lowers bloodsugar and effects the receptor in charge of hunger which makes you hungry because of this i eat alot and i become unhealthy faster if i don't work out or think about what i eat for the periods of me not being high
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Allybeboba
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Spoken like a true druggie. Wrong concerning all cancer causing agents must be radioactive. So you are stating that tobacco must be radioactive since it causes cancer? I guess MJ is working it's magic. How many cancer causing agents would you like me to list?
More articles below. Although I feel I am wasting my time with an addict such as you.
MMS: Error
Altered brain tissue composition in heavy marijuana users
Adverse effects of cannabis
You actually proved one the points concerning memory loss in you own post when you could not remember something! Lol.
I can go on and on. There have been thousands upon thousands of studies done indicating adverse effects of habitual use.
Have a nice day!
/cheers
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No reason to be rude i'm not a "Druggie" nor am I a fucking addict since (Look he's going to talk about cannabis as being more than a plant with a psychoactive substance) you can't become addicted to it and even if you now could there's no withdrawl effects.. I have a genuine intrest for the subject and you're being a fucking douche..
all those articles you just linked are way old
MMS: Error - 1998
Altered brain tissue composition in heavy marijuana users - 2004
Adverse effects of cannabis - The references he's using in the text are all from the 90's
The main issue is that you're immune to fact you're more than welcome not to partake in cannabis smoking I don't mind but begin rude and condesending towards me when i'm just happy to talk about the subject is quite sad..
Information surrounding the subject is quite scares in the possitives and for a reason a scientist or a doctor that publish a pro-cannabis paper will and have lost their jobs pretty quick.. Now on the recent with legalization they've finally started doing more tests about cannabis without the bias you can finally get some non-bias facts but if anyone is wasting their time it's me...
I'm actually not looking forward to your response and i wouldn't mind if you didn't post one... idiot.
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everyone knows marijuana research is completely unbiased.
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Yes addiction is possible with any substance maybe i should've been more clear it's not really a addiction which has a negative effect or withdrawl that's what I meant
Scout isn't BiS It's miniscule worse than goblin but it's really preference like anything
1+ agil on screw which i'm stacking
While Scout gives more stam and like .6 more dps or some.
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As long as you're aware screwdriver isn't bis.Yes addiction is possible with any substance maybe i should've been more clear it's not really a addiction which has a negative effect or withdrawl that's what I meant
Scout isn't BiS It's miniscule worse than goblin but it's really preference like anything
1+ agil on screw which i'm stacking
While Scout gives more stam and like .6 more dps or some.
Also all addiction has negative consequences, you're thinking about the physical aspect of it too much. I really don't who smokes pot or not though, just people saying something isn't addictive is an oddly specific pet peeve of mine.