A Conversation that's time is due

[hom]

UK has mad knife violence i know because thats one of the few places ive been cut

https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

Lol what?

Most sources will show that the USA has similar or higher knife crime than the UK.

The user-base for this website is predominantly American so please, get out your pitchforks (semi-auto 40 round capacity "not an assault rifle" weapons) and rip me to shreds over this.

My actual opinion on the american epidemic of mass shootings & what directions are available to you lot:

Guns are part of your culture, guns can protect you, guns are written into your constitution, guns are on the hip of every cop in the country, guns outnumber people in the us 1.2-1, guns are expensive, guns have a lobby, guns are political, guns have influence, guns kill, guns kill multiple people regularly, guns allow mentally unstable people to kill multiple people regularly, your culture, your constitution allows this.

There are too many guns already in your country with too many people feeling like they have a born right to own them. Yet they weep and send they're prayers every time this happens. From an outsider it seems ridiculous. Especially coming from a country that has no constitution and actually very little binding my rights to anything apart from the Magna Carta written in 1215.

But you do have a constitution, and I can sympathise with that. It's a set of rights and values that your born with. It's what makes you a US citizen. It's arguably the most valuable part of your culture and what protects you from the government.

I can understand then, with so much distrust in your government for the past century, that if anyone was to consider changing the constitution, specifically the 2nd amendment you would kick, claw and shoot your way to stop them.

But why?
Is it because you genuinely have a fear that the government could take over with force & you'd need a gun to protect yourself?
Is it because you genuinely have a fear that someone else has a gun and you need one yourself to defend against them?
Is it because this is your right and once one is changed they could change them all?
Is it a mixture of all of those? Something else?

Would changing the 2nd amendment resolve any of the mass shooting issues your country faces anyway? I don't know. But I do know that whenever this topic comes up the bottom line in why nothing changes is because the 2nd amendment trump card gets played and you all stop in your tracks... I'd forfeit my right to a gun if it meant the mentally brainwashed incel behind the barrel aimed at my head was lowered too.

But I forgot, you have the US political system that works on bribes and laundering - this conversation is pointless. Find a way to make money without the sale and distribution of weapons and you lot might have a chance. Until that happens you'll be having this conversation until the end of time.

 

[Tom Ganks]

Nobody respects each other. We all live in our own little worlds and marriages last all but a few years before divorce. Cars used to look good, roads were smooth, beaches were clean, we weren’t overweight, and music had poetry.

Concern and respect for human life is at an all time low. And can you blame em? Everyone is glued to their screens. We’ve all seen the worst films imaginable and our senses have dulled.

Let me say something for all the selfish slimes who wish to commit to a shooting. Turn the gun around and start with yourself.

As for gun control? No. I mean sure we need some obviously so a firearm can be sold to someone responsible. But history has shown us in less than a century on multiple occasions that a society without arms is defenseless against tyranny.

 

[Bung]

im not much of an politician but, imo guns needs to be regulated. isnt it more than 1mass shooting/a day in usa?
Sounds like its way to easy to get your hands on a firearm.

Having one for just in case/defence imo is worse than no one carrying at all (if you have one just in case/defence your a nervwreck anyways and may have clouded judgment).
Ofc there are those that use it for hunting and that sort, but should be illegal to carry on the streets.

 

[MYT]

UK has way better violent crime rates than you. Even London has better rates than NYC for example, and I do not pretend London isn't going through its worst crime wave this century with stabbings.

The UK has the worst violent crime rates in the first world btw. The entire country on average is far worse that our murder capitals, and londonistan is the worst of all. You just spouted the complete opposite of the truth. Further, although NYC has worse crime due to that communist idiot mayor it still is far less crime than your country.

 

[icehawk]

Guns aren’t the issue, it’s people and I would be in agreement with those who are saying times are certainly tougher. Tough times bring out the best and worst in people.
Unfortunately guns make it easier for the worst in people to cause even greater suffering.
Australia took a strong stance against guns following a massacre in Tasmania in the mid 90’s. It’s certainly improved gun crimes in this country, but it doesn’t take away the inherent problem of some people simply snapping or losing the plot. There are still terrible crimes.
People use cars as weapons these days - how can that be stopped? People will always find a way to cause damage and destruction. Not sure that there is a cure for the inherent evil in some people.

 

[MYT]

So things aren't worse today for the Low and Middle Class? Take a look at the lifestyle that Families in Merica had in the 50's, 60's and early 70's (BTW, we didn't have Mass shootings every day back then). Families could afford a Home on 1 Income. They had a new Car (or 2), took Vacations yearly, had great Health Care which didn't Bankrupt you and had disposable Income. Now look at today, almost nobody can afford a Home even with both Parents working well paying Jobs, Health Care is so expensive (not just the Premiums, the Deductibles, Lifetime out-of-pockets, etc), few can afford a new Car, even fewer even know what a Vacation is and hardly anyone has disposable Income.

Berating me because you think I'm some Bernie cuck doesn't solve the very real problem Merica is facing today. How about you add to the conversation with something that would help the situation hmm.

Lolwut?

Your comments about the poor/middle class then again just reflect propaganda. Home ownership rates are essentially the same today as then (depending on the year of comparison even slightly higher), and that’s with FAR better homes. The typical home back then had one bathroom, a very small everything, no air conditioning and if lucky one very small color tv - including no washer/dryer. Also families had one car which the dad would drive to work unless the mom needed it to grocery shop in which case the entire family loaded in to drop him off at work. You need to read an actual history book - your head is stuck so far up your socialist ass that you’re spewing complete nonsense that’s the opposite of the truth. Guess what - if you want to buy a shithole house from that era and have no cable/internet/smartphone/washer/dryer/TV/AC and basically do nothing as you stew in the heat or just listen to the radio like the “good ole days”, even a do nothing mooch like you can be a homeowner!

 

[Cattywompus]

I personally carry everyday, just for the protection of my family and others around me. You never know when you're going to need it, and I want to know I did everything I could to keep my family and others safe.

Taking guns away won't fix shit, if more people carried, others would be hesitant to pull a weapon out and start firing into a crowd knowing that several people in their blindspot can sink 2 in their chest and stop it with haste. It's unfortunate that we have to think like this, and I'm sure some really smart people are going to come up with a solid solution to help these people that are in such mental distress.

 

[hom]

The UK has the worst violent crime rates in the first world btw. The entire country on average is far worse that our murder capitals, and londonistan is the worst of all. You just spouted the complete opposite of the truth. Further, although NYC has worse crime due to that communist idiot mayor it still is far less crime than your country.

Source?

Generally "Violent Crime" is judged on the Intentional Homicide Rate. The UK ranks 174 at 1.2 per 100,000 whereas the US ranks 89 at 5.3 per 100,000.

I personally carry everyday, just for the protection of my family and others around me.

Yikes.

 

[DeLindsay]

Talking about gun control is problematic enough, but doing it on a twinking forum?

I can't imagine this thread will be productive at all, let's see though.

Instead of controlling your 'guns', why don't we control your 'gums'.

All love though <3

*waits*

Which is why I placed it into General Offtopic, or are you implying that people who play Twinks in Video Games have no concept of right and wrong and can't form a logical thought in their head. So far it seems as people are mostly playing nice, not all, but that's to be expected. I thought if people like us, Twinks who'd rather destroy each other and teabag their dead body while calling them a shitter, could have a conversation like adults then the Country could as well
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Taking guns away won't fix shit, if more people carried, others would be hesitant to pull a weapon out and start firing into a crowd knowing that several people in their blindspot can sink 2 in their chest and stop it with haste. It's unfortunate that we have to think like this, and I'm sure some really smart people are going to come up with a solid solution to help these people that are in such mental distress.

Unfortunately statistics shows that statement to be untrue. Texas especially has a shit ton of Citizens with Guns, Open Carry and CC, yet it still happens regularly where the 'Good Guy with a Gun' didn't stop the shooting from happening. Even if 100% of Adults carried while in Public, it wouldn't stop bad people from doing bad things. This is why we need to get to the root of what's causing all these people to snap. It wasn't this way here in Merica even 25 years ago, so what changed? I know I'm clear on what did, others disagree. Your thoughts on how to fix it?

 

[MYT]

Source?

Generally "Violent Crime" is judged on the Intentional Homicide Rate. The UK ranks 174 at 1.2 per 100,000 whereas the US ranks 89 at 5.3 per 100,000.



Yikes.

No violent crime isn’t just measured as murders - it’s measured as violent crime. That’s a nice shell trick that the UK uses to cover up the fact that it’s subjects (because let’s be honest - you’re not very free over there compared to a country like the us) are abused by criminals. The world watched in horror as it became apparent that your muslin immigrants had raped literally thousand of white kids and your police literally did nothing because you aren’t allowed to do anything over there to protect kids of the color or their skin isn’t favored by your rulers.

 

[hom]

No violent crime isn’t just measured as murders - it’s measured as violent crime. That’s a nice shell trick that the UK uses to cover up the fact that it’s subjects (because let’s be honest - you’re not very free over there compared to a country like the us) are abused by criminals. The world watched in horror as it became apparent that your muslin immigrants had raped literally thousand of white kids and your police literally did nothing because you aren’t allowed to do anything over there to protect kids of the color or their skin isn’t favored by your rulers.

I agree - it's a stupid stat to base entire 'violent crimes' on. But the assumptions you're making with no sources are false.

We have our issues - they're no secret. There's a scandal or abuse ring discovered once or twice a year which the public is shocked to hear about. Usually caused by failings in police or council safeguarding/control.

We don't have a mass shooting nearly every day, send love, prayers, advise to carry more guns and dry our eyes until the next one; tomorrow.

 

[DeLindsay]

@MYT As super informed as you claim to be on all subjects regarding everything, what suggestions do you have to fix the problem facing Merica today with increasing Gun violence? Since this is a discussion, we'd love to hear your thoughts on what can be done.

 

[MYT]

Which is why I placed it into General Offtopic, or are you implying that people who play Twinks in Video Games have no concept of right and wrong and can't form a logical thought in their head. So far it seems as people are mostly playing nice, not all, but that's to be expected. I thought if people like us, Twinks who'd rather destroy each other and teabag their dead body while calling them a shitter, could have a conversation like adults then the Country could as well
[doublepost=1565002864,1565002632][/doublepost]Unfortunately statistics shows that statement to be untrue. Texas especially has a shit ton of Citizens with Guns, Open Carry and CC, yet it still happens regularly where the 'Good Guy with a Gun' didn't stop the shooting from happening. Even if 100% of Adults carried while in Public, it wouldn't stop bad people from doing bad things. This is why we need to get to the root of what's causing all these people to snap. It wasn't this way here in Merica even 25 years ago, so what changed? I know I'm clear on what did, others disagree. Your thoughts on how to fix it?

What changed is your socialist views have caused the moral fiber of this country to deteriorate. Mooches like you used to be

I agree - it's a stupid stat to base entire 'violent crimes' on. But the assumptions you're making with no sources are false.

We have our issues - they're no secret. There's a scandal or abuse ring discovered once or twice a year which the public is shocked to hear about. Usually caused by failings in police or council safeguarding/control.

We don't have a mass shooting nearly every day, send love, prayers, advise to carry more guns and dry our eyes until the next one; tomorrow.

It’s not that I have no source it’s that I need to research to find what I’ve read previously and I am with my 7yo niece today so can’t right now. I tried to search quickly but couldn’t find it.

It’s nonsense to say we have a mass shooting nearly every day. We’ve had 19 in the over 200 days in 2019. While I agree it’s too high, it’s actually a very small number of people compared to anything really. Still too many, but the left changing the definition such that every time a gangbanger does a drive by it counts is solely for political purposes.

Personally I find the common theme to be mental health. For example, the guy in Dayton (along with the guy in south florida) were both well known to law enforcement for threatening to do this before. While I think gun control is a terrible idea, I do think that putting people like that in a mental facility until they’re legitimately cured is important. Unfortunately the left highjacks these tragedies such that we never really have discussions about how people that tell us they’re going to commit mass murder then do it because we didn’t stop them.

 

[hom]

The problem USA faces is it's that stale-mate situation. The fear that everyone could shoot you spurs you into owning a gun yourself. The cycle continues.

You have your gun because there might be a rando mentally unstable guy sitting on the train next to you with a gun too. In the end all that happens is gun ownership increases, gun ownership is normalised (already happened), gun lobbies prevent stricter rules, propaganda ensures this, more randos get hands on guns when they're clearly unstable, mass shooting happens.
You then buy a gun because there might be a rando mentally unstable guy sitting on the train next to you...
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It’s nonsense to say we have a mass shooting nearly every day.

"As of August 4, 2019, 248 mass shootings have occurred in 2019 that fit the inclusion criteria of this article. This averages out to 1.2 shootings per day. In these shootings, 979 people were shot; of those people, 246 have died."

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

Maybe you get your stats from here:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/

 

[MYT]

@MYT As super informed as you claim to be on all subjects regarding everything, what suggestions do you have to fix the problem facing Merica today with increasing Gun violence? Since this is a discussion, we'd love to hear your thoughts on what can be done.

Gun violence isn’t increasing FYI. I did somewhat once people with your views started attacking police for stopping the bad guys but overall it’s at historic lows. There you go again spewing nonsense.

 

[Activate]

Just keep polarizing I'm sure it'll be fine

 

[Light]

 

[Chops]

Gun violence isn’t increasing FYI. I did somewhat once people with your views started attacking police for stopping the bad guys but overall it’s at historic lows. There you go again spewing nonsense.

wrong.

Gun violence is increasing. Though for the past decade or so, that increase has been driven by including gun suicides in with gun violence. Suicide by gun is increasing at an alarming rate in America and has been doing so for over a generation.

And as of 5 years ago (probably when you formulated your position on guns and violence) you'd have been right that assaults with guns have more or less stayed steady. But thats simply no longer the case. Over the past 3-4 years, assaults with guns have taken a noticeable jump. edit: I should specify here that im talking about violence that results in death, not just general assaults. Though I think its a fair leap to make that more gun deaths means more assaults with guns.

But i'll reiterate, talking about gun control is missing the point entirely. As many people have pointed out, guns are a tool of violence (and highly efficient tools at that) but take the guns away and folks will use cars and knives and IEDs, etc. "What the causes the violence?" is a more important and immediate question than "what tool was used to carry out said violence"

 

[hom]

But i'll reiterate, talking about gun control is missing the point entirely. As many people have pointed out, guns are a tool of violence (and highly efficient tools at that) but take the guns away and folks will use cars and knives and IEDs, etc. "What the causes the violence?" is a more important and immediate question than "what tool was used to carry out said violence"

People will be violent and people will commit crimes and murders. Finding out why and how to mitigate this is the best path forward. I agree.

But to say that guns don't contribute to the issue is missing the point too.

Guns allow people to enact on their twisted thoughts and evil in such an efficient way that removes the psychological barrier of one human hurting another. Its a target and a trigger, it happens in less than a second, with the next round in the chamber ready to go again.

Guns, and ownership numbers of them are directly related to violent crimes and murders...

 

[MYT]

The problem USA faces is it's that stale-mate situation. The fear that everyone could shoot you spurs you into owning a gun yourself. The cycle continues.

You have your gun because there might be a rando mentally unstable guy sitting on the train next to you with a gun too. In the end all that happens is gun ownership increases, gun ownership is normalised (already happened), gun lobbies prevent stricter rules, propaganda ensures this, more randos get hands on guns when they're clearly unstable, mass shooting happens.
You then buy a gun because there might be a rando mentally unstable guy sitting on the train next to you...
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"As of August 4, 2019, 248 mass shootings have occurred in 2019 that fit the inclusion criteria of this article. This averages out to 1.2 shootings per day. In these shootings, 979 people were shot; of those people, 246 have died."

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

Maybe you get your stats from here:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/

I don’t get my “facts” from far left websites pushing a false narrative to support government control of our lives that’s for sure. You should try it sometime. Nobody considers gang bangers shooting up gang bangers mass shootings. Most consider it a public service to be honest.

I live in the real world along with the vast majority of Americans - you know, the ones that elected Donald trump. We don’t let the far left activists in the media or at google tell us what to believe. We’re free people that think critically and hence we don’t fall for the stuff that you do. The socialists on this site do not represent America. Unlike the UK, we will never be a socialist country here in the land of the free. Which is, by the way, why we have our guns - to protect us from corrupt government and the liberal mob that wants to steal what they haven’t earned.
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wrong.

Gun violence is increasing. Though for the past decade or so, that increase has been driven by including gun suicides in with gun violence. Suicide by gun is increasing at an alarming rate in America and has been doing so for over a generation.

And as of 5 years ago (probably when you formulated your position on guns and violence) you'd have been right that assaults with guns have more or less stayed steady. But thats simply no longer the case. Over the past 3-4 years, assaults with guns have taken a noticeable jump. edit: I should specify here that im talking about violence that results in death, not just general assaults. Though I think its a fair leap to make that more gun deaths means more assaults with guns.

But i'll reiterate, talking about gun control is missing the point entirely. As many people have pointed out, guns are a tool of violence (and highly efficient tools at that) but take the guns away and folks will use cars and knives and IEDs, etc. "What the causes the violence?" is a more important and immediate question than "what tool was used to carry out said violence"

As I pointed out, there is a temporary blip up due to people with your reprehensible views attacking police. Whether it’s you pushing a false narrative that the thug Michael brown was innocent when in fact that violent thug who had just violently robbed a store and then violently grabbed a cops gun was trying to murder that cop. Regardless, police unions have been open about the slowdown. So poor families live in fear because of people with your horrific views. But regardless, as I said gun violence isn’t going up.
[doublepost=1565007797][/doublepost]Ps Mexico band gun ownership and it’s literally the wild Wild West down there. So the idea that legal gun ownership drives murders is absurd.