A Conversation that's time is due

[Bestworld]

Not only is it irrelevant but it’s untrue as well. Current governments are not older than ours. The French has the murderous French Revolution. The brits replaced subjection to the monarch to subjection to the commons. In both cases, after our existing government was formed.

It was relevant to Ally's comment. And if you don't think that countries such as France weren't established until they went through a revolution, then I don't know what to tell you. Because there is or have been monarchy, or kingdoms within a nation, didn't mean it wasn't established, like wtf. It's the same as saying the US still isn't established because they have state governors.

 

[MYT]

I'd like to hear the ideas that you think would reduce the number of mass shootings/gun violence rate in the USA - you seem to be wise in all other areas & clearly have a strong view on what's good for your fellow citizen.

Start locking people up that say they’re going to shoot places up.
Keep violent criminals in jail.
School vouchers, so kids have options instead of maintaining a permanent underclass.
Hold politicians accountable for being hateful at the ballot box.
Major mental health reform.
Stop the flood of illegals.

Those are starts.
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this is some straight up Orwellian doublespeak

Meant healthy. The fact that you think it isn’t is troubling really. It’s time to learn the value of contributing comrade.

 

[Chops]

Meant healthy

That changes things

 

[hom]

Keep violent criminals in jail.
School vouchers, so kids have options instead of maintaining a permanent underclass.
Major mental health reform.

Sounds like a socialist system would be ideal for this. You'll be having to pay more tax anyway with all the extra people in prison with longer sentences.

 

[Bestworld]

Sounds like a socialist system would be ideal for this. You'll be having to pay more tax anyway with all the extra people in prison with longer sentences.

>American: "We want all these things"
>Government: *increases tax*
>American: "No tax, just things! "

 

[ghank]

I was reading shooting in America statistics yesterday. Out of all the 2019 shootings, a tiny fraction were in self defense. 33k acts of gun violence so far in 2019 and 890 of those were self defense. So 2.7% chance you'll use the gun in defense? Seems like a legit reason to have more guns right (sarcasm)? And don't forget 944 unintentional shootings (2.8%). We need a big gun ban and some intensive required training before you can own one here which is odd for someone like me to say being that I used a gun to successfully prevent a home invasion, saving me and 5 of my friends. The odds of something like that happening are astronomical compared to a gun being used illegally against you. Resource > https://www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[Chops]

Start locking people up that say they’re going to shoot places up.
Keep violent criminals in jail.

This alone would require a surveillance state that far outstrips the already pervasive domestic spying apparatus.

Freedom though, amirite?

 

[MYT]

Sounds like a socialist system would be ideal for this. You'll be having to pay more tax anyway with all the extra people in prison with longer sentences.

Nope. Like I said, we’re free people here. We’ll never accept servitude. If you knew what it meant to be free you’d feel the same way.
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This alone would require a surveillance state that far outstrips the already pervasive domestic spying apparatus.

Freedom though, amirite?

No it wouldn’t. Police already know about these people that say it. They just can’t or won’t act due to sociaoostheir s opposing it.

 

[Conq]

Don't forget that most of these mass shootings have statistically been from individuals who openly identify as white supremacists. This is an issue that we as a society can confront without our incompetent government.

 

[Chops]

Nope. Like I said, we’re free people here. We’ll never accept servitude. If you knew what it meant to be free you’d feel the same way.
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No it wouldn’t. Police already know about these people that say it. They just can’t or won’t act due to sociaoostheir s opposing it.

You're conflating American "liberals" with socialists and it's causing you all sorts of problems...

 

[Conq]

naw, I find the DSA to be an embarrassing bunch of whiney children.

I am, however, a card carrying member of the IWW. Just so you have all the facts to properly insult me.

PSL is where it's at though

Also the DSA can be very problematic

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/...-regime-change/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
[doublepost=1565020656,1565020320][/doublepost]Also MYT is conflating not only liberals with socialists but the entire far left. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, not a socialist. Big difference, the Democratic socialists of pre-nazi Germany murdered the revolutionary communist Rosa Luxemburg and paved the way for Hitler to have no meaningful resistance, not saying that kind of thing is going to happen today but just highlighting the history between the two parties and ideologies, those ideological differences remain.

There are plenty on the far left who think we have a right to guns. The problem is the law in effect only applies to white people.

 

[hom]

Nope. Like I said, we’re free people here. We’ll never accept servitude. If you knew what it meant to be free you’d feel the same way.

Ah yes. We're so restrained here that it's unbearable. The police are so overbearing in keeping us all in line they almost pulled out their notebooks and took my name down. Luckily he didn't have a gun on him, might have got shot if I was in the land of the free.

What a shame that the media and lobbying industries have pulled the wool so far over your eyes you can't see anything but darkness. You're under the thumb and you don't even know it.

You're no more free than I and that's what kills you inside.

 

[Conq]

The idea that America is free again only applies to white people who kneel to the government. The second that goes away you start losing your rights. It's happened to many of my friends for not even breaking laws. One of my white friends who is an non-violent activist and never has been convicted has been brutalized by the police so many times during demonstrations that he has permenant nerve damage in his spine. Not going to lie MYT sounds like one of these people who have been radicalized on line by the same far right that radicalizes most of these mass shooters.

 

[Chops]

You're no more free than I and that's what kills you inside.

 

[Conq]

Also many economists no longer see GDP as a strong indicator of the economy. Why? Because there is such little wealth distribution that it means basically nothing to 99% of Americans

 

[Kracks]

I personally carry everyday, just for the protection of my family and others around me. You never know when you're going to need it, and I want to know I did everything I could to keep my family and others safe.

Taking guns away won't fix shit, if more people carried, others would be hesitant to pull a weapon out and start firing into a crowd knowing that several people in their blindspot can sink 2 in their chest and stop it with haste. It's unfortunate that we have to think like this, and I'm sure some really smart people are going to come up with a solid solution to help these people that are in such mental distress.

so then a shootout of untrained civilians happens? lol that wouldn't be a mess at all. also i doubt the fact that if more people carried it would deter a shooter considering they are most likely prepared/expecting/wanting to die anyways.

 

[Conq]

Stop the flood of illegals.

Not only are you blaming immigrants for PoC getting massacred but you're literally exposing yourself as a white supremacist. Hilarious self-own.

Do you know why so many immigrants are coming here? It's because we've savaged their countries with regime change tactics like economic warfare or turning them into a narco-state as well as other tactics. I mean look what's happened in Latin America. If you think they'd rather be here than in their own countries prior to the US messing it up you're wrong. The list of shit we've pulled in Latin America never ends.

 

[Mitch]

Ever notice how conservatives mock the left for acting so emotional towards certain words? Normally of the racist and bigoted variety but then all of a sudden the word socialism gets said and they lose their god damn minds.

Did you also notice how that bizarre discussion derailed the thread and distracted from the core fact that these men are reflecting the presidents rhetoric? He breaths hate into his followers, "invasion, infestation, rapist, murders, MS-13, why don't they go back, shithole countries."

The president is a stochastic terrorist and is a complete and utter threat to western democracy.

 

[MYT]

Don't forget that most of these mass shootings have statistically been from individuals who openly identify as white supremacists. This is an issue that we as a society can confront without our incompetent government.

Not even most to true. Most are registered Democrats. In second is islamists. In third are crazies with no political beliefs and then there’s a few scattered cases of white supremisys, which it sounds like may include the pos in El Paso.

While nobody supports white supremisys, the antifa, your type, are the biggest terrorists threat in America today. They’ll get put down like rabid dogs if they keep up the terror.

 

[Conq]

Not even most to true. Most are registered Democrats. In second is islamists. In third are crazies with no political beliefs and then there’s a few scattered cases of white supremisys, which it sounds like may include the pos in El Paso.

While nobody supports white supremisys, the antifa, your type, are the biggest terrorists threat in America today. They’ll get put down like rabid dogs if they keep up the terror.

Blatant far-right propoganda. It's been proven most mass shootings have been caused by white supremacists, easy to look up. Do you know how many people Antifa have killed?

Zero.