A change in 'bracketmaster' and the long term future of the 39 bracket.

Way to turn a positive thread for the bracket into the exact opposite. Get it together. You guys are better than this.
 
BACKPEDDLE said:
Well, yea, I can see why there was only 5 people in TS. Why should anybody have to put up with that?
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Pretty sure it was Skeezin, Roula, Possibly Saxxon aka Donatello, Vangmaw maybe, and i know at least one other was involved or more

I can take care of it, but wasn't many alliance there in the first place before it all went down :)
 
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Trialkiller said:
I sent a message to a moderator asking if some cleaning up could be done on this thread, it's a shame that a handful of people managed to take it so far off course.
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It is not off topic at all. Boostz specifically mentioned in a large portion of his post about banning a class due to it being op.
 
Watch every midfight and see who rolls into everything first. it'll be a BM almost every time standing in the middle of 6 dps. Saying "sync burst" is retarded because people did open hard on the bm rolling in who ranged their healer but guard kept them up through 6 openers and then the healing came in and either the BM rolled out or survived long enough for another guard to be up again but by this time it is a team fight so everybody focusing on a BM who basically doesnt die is pointless so people focus on other classes that syncd dmg does work against. When you have to have your entire teams dps focus 1 class that class needs addressing.

You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
 
Skrubform said:
Watch every midfight and see who rolls into everything first. it'll be a BM almost every time standing in the middle of 6 dps. Saying "sync burst" is retarded because people did open hard on the bm rolling in who ranged their healer but guard kept them up through 6 openers and then the healing came in and either the BM rolled out or survived long enough for another guard to be up again but by this time it is a team fight so everybody focusing on a BM who basically doesnt die is pointless so people focus on other classes that syncd dmg does work against. When you have to have your entire teams dps focus 1 class that class needs addressing.

You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
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If you think 2 DPS can't kill a BM then you sir are ignorant
 
DimeBrew said:
If you think 2 DPS can't kill a BM then you sir are ignorant
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A good BM? I'm pretty sure if I was in a 1v2 situation on my monk I could live for well over a minute. It's extremely hard to actually die on that class if you're spamming guard, pressing other buttons makes the problem even worse. As much as backpeddle might troll from time to time, he's absolutely correct in saying that enhance doesn't even come close to a guard spamming BM monk in terms of overall effectiveness.

There definitely needs to be something done about the ability, but I don't really know what. I don't think guard warrants a ban on the spec entirely because outside of guard, BM is fine. However if we were to say "BMs can't use guard in games" im 100% positive that rule would not be followed by everyone. It's a tough situation.
 
Enforcing an effective ban on guard really comes down to the player. If the player can understand it is better for the overall health of the bracket to put that on ability to the side it helps set a precedent for everyone else. If that player happens to be "known" or regarded as a skilled player it carries significantly more weight; consequently, having a much more significant impact. This then becomes a community effort as people start working together in TS and BGs to help spread the word. It also makes communicating the reasons why such a ban exists much easier to the BM(class/spec/ability X) in question.

This means not using it even when the deck is stacked against you. Saying "I only use it under circumstance X" is foolish because that equates to "well look he/she is using it why the hell can't I?" to others in the game. People should consider the overall health of the bracket over their personal needs if the long term success of the bracket is important to them.

Of course if you do not care about the bracket by all means do whatever you want. Just do not act surprised or complain when game nights start ending early and eventually end should things spiral out of control.
 
dime you can say what you want but watch in midfights who runs in all gungho and can take easy beatings while still throwing out massive aoe slows and 3k kegs and survive... i see it every single time. bm can completely range his healers and it doesnt matter because guard is so strong that he can do his dmg and then just run out again and not fear death at all.
 
only things i've noticed:
-bm monk insane
-similar fotm specs
-fc's not fc'ing
-negativity

hunters also seem kinda up there, but nothing new there in twinkland. also, good avatar pic shook. huskys4lyfe

on a brighter note, i'm all for change and healthy pvp. boostz has been around 4everrrr so it's good to see some1 giving definition to a direction.. direction to a definition. something liek dat.

best regards
 
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Gonna have to say that BM is broken in more ways than guard, honestly. However, I MAY have a solution to a few of our problems. DPS BM specifically is the problem. Now if one were to actually gear like a tank, say stacking stam and armor over agi the dynamic of the class changes entirely. Basically they are still hard to kill, it's true. But said BM then hits like a wet noodle, a slippery one, but noodlie none the less. And that makes them serve the role of FC, which they were always intended (instead of tank AND monster dps). I have one I have been playing with and gearing at 29 and I can tell you it completely changes the class. Haze is still broken as hell, but at least they can't one and two shot folks. Also, the guard becomes no more absorption than a disc priest bubble. if the community decides to ban I'm on board with that, but this might be an alternative. Thoughts?
 
I really feel like you're turning people off to the 39s bracket if you start banning Ferals and Guard right away. Once these 2 are gone Enhance will be OP. I for one would like to see some really competent Real IDs/Guild BGs before we start banning anything..Honestly it seems like the solution to everything is "ban that" rather then "lets see how it works when the great players with great communication deal with it on an even playing field".
 
Of course if you do not care about the bracket by all means do whatever you want. Just do not act surprised or complain when game nights start ending early and eventually end should things spiral out of control.
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Things are already spiraling out of control. Last game night we saw horde stacking two BM monks in multiple games. How long until we start seeing 3 or 4 per game?

Remember in MOP when there would be 5+ prot wars per game?
 
Pookums said:
Gonna have to say that BM is broken in more ways than guard, honestly. However, I MAY have a solution to a few of our problems. DPS BM specifically is the problem. Now if one were to actually gear like a tank, say stacking stam and armor over agi the dynamic of the class changes entirely. Basically they are still hard to kill, it's true. But said BM then hits like a wet noodle, a slippery one, but noodlie none the less. And that makes them serve the role of FC, which they were always intended (instead of tank AND monster dps). I have one I have been playing with and gearing at 29 and I can tell you it completely changes the class. Haze is still broken as hell, but at least they can't one and two shot folks. Also, the guard becomes no more absorption than a disc priest bubble. if the community decides to ban I'm on board with that, but this might be an alternative. Thoughts?
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I like the thought. I tried to FC one game with stam bm monk (13k hp). The %20 increased damage just made it really rough to FC as. But it was just one game with 9 dps /shrug. Going to try ele FC next if horde lacks an fc.
 
DimeBrew said:
I really feel like you're turning people off to the 39s bracket if you start banning Ferals and Guard right away. Once these 2 are gone Enhance will be OP. I for one would like to see some really competent Real IDs/Guild BGs before we start banning anything..Honestly it seems like the solution to everything is "ban that" rather then "lets see how it works when the great players with great communication deal with it on an even playing field".
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Do we really need to go over this again? Relative to the rest of the bracket, enhance is NOWHERE NEAR brewmasters.
 
Is it possible enhance is viewed as so OP simply because it was UP for so long? Sure, it is quite strong, but on the same tier as BM w/guard and feral? Call me skeptical. Guard seems to be the single most broken thing in the bracket right now.

Another thing to consider that you just reminded me of [MENTION=17118]BACKPEDDLE[/MENTION] : Constant negativity, complaining, and overall whining tends to beget more of the same. In the case of MoP Prots I swear one of the main reasons that problem exploded was because of how much people bitched. It pushed people into a corner, they got defensive, and dug in to their Prot trench. We all reaped the rewards with a rather prolonged absence of games.

It would be nice to not see that happen again.
 
guard is broken in any twink bracket if you dont agree ur either jamesp or another variant of mongoloid
 
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