70 Subtlety Rogue Guide [BfA]

[Dreams]

@DexaQT
You don't have to worry about your trinkets breaking stealth if you just put [nostealth] in the /use macro.

/use [nostealth]Bloodlust Brooch

On-use trinket macro. All it does is make sure you don't accidentally break stealth by using it too early.

 

[Zerofoxtrot]

This is a really informative post and I reflect back to it pretty often during my gear up. Do you have any advice on UIs, weakauras, or action bars?

 

[Dreams]

Do you have any advice on UIs, weakauras, or action bars?

In terms of how your UI looks just go with whatever you like. In terms of functionality I can recommend getting a DR tracker that isn't reliant on you being inside arena. (Gladius and sArena both have dr trackers that only work in arena) Use WA or TMW for dr tracker instead.

 

[Dreams]

Updated BIS weapons. Credit to @discodog

 

[discodog]

phantom assassin is gone with 8.1 now if you wanna update the pvp talent section =(

 

[Dreams]

Updated for 8.1.
[doublepost=1544759757,1544758807][/doublepost]8.1 changes that are relevant to 70 sub rogues in pvp:

• All healthpools in the bracket have been significantly reduced (10-15%) which generally strengthens control-oriented classes like rogues and mages. It also amplifies the race imbalance, making orcs and humans even better than they were before, as your chances of surviving a rogue opener without https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20573/hardiness or https://www.wowhead.com/spell=196029/relentless are lower. Consider building more stamina than before.
• Phantom assassin removed. If you were playing it before I recommend playing shadowy duel or smoke bomb instead.

 

[Dreams]

Updated trinket section

 

[villiansv]

For solo BG play, isn't Defending Champion or Returning Champion better than the War Horn? At 70 they give 6 less stamina (23) but a permanent 15 versa buff + their on-use 10% max hp or 10% heal, as opposed to 17 versa on a 2-min cooldown.

The Gurubashi arena one is very easy to get these days if you have a friend willing to realm hop you to RP servers - you can loot multiple trinkets on different shards from the same chest, especially at off hours. The Darkmoon Faire one is trickier - you'll actually have to bring your 120 and pvp there. I only managed 8/13 last Faire when I started trying for it.

 

[Dreams]

For solo BG play, isn't Defending Champion or Returning Champion better than the War Horn? At 70 they give 6 less stamina (23) but a permanent 15 versa buff + their on-use 10% max hp or 10% heal, as opposed to 17 versa on a 2-min cooldown.

Yeah I would consider returning/defending champion better for some situations, like duels and perhaps even 2v2 arena. I would still use warhorn for battlegrounds or bloodlust brooch with healer(s).
I'll probably update the trinket section with more detail on when to use which trinkets soon.

 

[Shoel]

Hello! I found this guide very informative, a great place to start. Providing enough info for all skill levels. That being said i think that in some slots we can use better items (haven't checked enchants yet).

- (i am not posting any links since i am new here and the rule was smth like dont post links untill you have 2 posts or so) -

1) I think that <Ring of the Shadow Deeps> (Hc Underbog) is better than <Frozen Mood Ring>.
2) Same with <Boots of the Shifting Sands> (HC Botanica) VS the boots from Mother.
3) And a personal preference about <Raven-Heart Headdress> (HC Auchenai Crypts) over the KJ one.

Thoughts?

 

[discodog]

Hello! I found this guide very informative, a great place to start. Providing enough info for all skill levels. That being said i think that in some slots we can use better items (haven't checked enchants yet).

- (i am not posting any links since i am new here and the rule was smth like dont post links untill you have 2 posts or so) -

1) I think that <Ring of the Shadow Deeps> (Hc Underbog) is better than <Frozen Mood Ring>.
2) Same with <Boots of the Shifting Sands> (HC Botanica) VS the boots from Mother.
3) And a personal preference about <Raven-Heart Headdress> (HC Auchenai Crypts) over the KJ one.

Thoughts?

guide is outdated cuz of hc dungeon gear patch

 

[Shoel]

guide is outdated cuz of hc dungeon gear patch

Hey there, thanks for the reply.

What is the patch that you are referring to? The IL squish at the end of Legion or smth else happened that i totally miss?

I haven't made a twink since Cata. Do you have any other guides that are more up-to-date?

 

[villiansv]

Hey there, thanks for the reply.

What is the patch that you are referring to? The IL squish at the end of Legion or smth else happened that i totally miss?

I haven't made a twink since Cata. Do you have any other guides that are more up-to-date?

He means the patch that bumped up the ilvl of dungeon gear, specifically heroic TBC dungeon gear became about the same ilvl as SWP gear. IIRC it was the same patch that separated XP ON/OFF in their own BG queues. I want to say 8.1.5 but might be wrong

 

[Shoel]

What stats should i go for then? Crit, Haste or Versa?