70-79 70 Subtlety Rogue Guide [BfA]

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    Level 70 Subtlety Rogue Guide

    Table of contents:
    • Introduction
    • Character Build
      • Gear, gems, enchants
      • Talents
      • Professions
    • Macros
      • General macros
      • Arena macros
      • Battleground macros

    Introduction
    Welcome to the Battle for Azeroth version of my level 70 rogue guide, this time focusing on a single spec: Subtlety. I'm Dreams and I've played level 70 actively for almost 7 years. This guide, like the previous ones, is directed mainly at new rogue players. Its main goal is to try to answer all of the common questions people ask about the class.
    Feel free to leave your feedback in the comments or by private message if you feel like anything should be changed or could be explained better.

    Character Build
    This section of the guide will address how to build your subtlety rogue.
    With Battle for Azeroth we're finally rid of the predetermined stat templates of Legion, which means we can once again choose our own stats through gear, enchants and gems.

    Gear
    Before you choose your gear it's important to realize how your spec works so you can build around it. Subtlety is a very control oriented spec that deals damage in short windows; during openers and shadow dances. Because of that it's very risky to use proc effects, as they are completely wasted if they proc outside of your damage windows. That's why we're using a build that emphasizes high base stats instead of relying on many proc effects.

    This list only includes gear, gems and enchants that are available right now. It also doesn't include the rare ilvl100 BoEs. If more than one item is listed, it means the choice is down to personal preference.

    Head:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34244/duplicitous-guise

    Neck:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34358/hard-khorium-choker
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=128553/enchant-neck-mark-of-the-hidden-satyr

    Shoulder:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34392/demontooth-shoulderpads
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=28888/greater-inscription-of-vengeance / http://www.wowhead.com/item=28910/greater-inscription-of-the-blade

    Back:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34241/cloak-of-unforgivable-sin
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=38893/enchant-cloak-stealth

    Chest:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34211/harness-of-carnal-instinct
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=74708/enchant-chest-glorious-stats

    Wrists:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34448/slayers-bracers
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=44815/enchant-bracer-greater-assault

    Hands:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34370/gloves-of-immortal-dusk
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=44458/enchant-gloves-crusher

    Waist:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=30106/belt-of-one-hundred-deaths
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=41611/eternal-belt-buckle

    Legs:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34188/leggings-of-the-immortal-night
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=38371/jormungar-leg-armor / http://www.wowhead.com/item=38372/nerubian-leg-armor

    Feet:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=32366/shadowmasters-boots
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=37603/enchant-boots-dexterity

    Ring 1:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=44039/signet-of-bridenbrad
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility

    Ring 2:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=42864/frozen-mood-ring
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=128544/enchant-ring-binding-of-versatility

    Trinket 1:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=40767/sonic-booster
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=23836/goblin-rocket-launcher
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=13515/ramsteins-lightning-bolts

    Trinket 2:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=29383/bloodlust-brooch

    Main hand:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=34329/crux-of-the-apocalypse
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=74726/enchant-weapon-dancing-steel

    Off hand:
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=28572/blade-of-the-unrequited
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=74726/enchant-weapon-dancing-steel

    Gems
    Get one http://www.wowhead.com/item=41398/relentless-earthsiege-diamond and one https://www.wowhead.com/item=28361/delicate-blood-garnet.
    Fill the rest of your sockets with http://www.wowhead.com/item=28363/deadly-ornate-topaz.


    Talents
    Level 15 Tier:
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=193537/weaponmaster is the best option by far. Although http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200758/gloomblade can offer some situational utility against physical immunes (like paladins using BoP).
    Even against tank specs http://www.wowhead.com/spell=91023/find-weakness offers less damage than http://www.wowhead.com/spell=193537/weaponmaster - so never pick it.

    Level 30 Tier:
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108208/subterfuge is the clear choice for PvP. If you want to throw out a crazy amount of control for damage you can pick http://www.wowhead.com/spell=14062/nightstalker but at that point you might as well respec.

    Level 45 Tier:
    This is the first tier with a real choice to make as 2 of the options are good.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=14983/vigor is my preferred choice because it rewards energy pooling. Use it for more freedom in your openers and more energy overall to do things besides damage.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=137619/marked-for-death allows for even more dangerous openers but leaves little to no energy for control afterwards.

    Level 60 Tier:
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=79008/elusiveness has been nerfed as http://www.wowhead.com/spell=1966/feint is now a 15 second cooldown. But it's still an amazing talent as other classes often have to pay 2-3 minute cooldowns for similar defensives. I recommend taking it.

    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200759/soothing-darkness can be considered for battlegrounds or arena matches with no healers / off-healers on your team.

    PvP Talents
    Battle for Azeroth has finally given lower level players access to the PvP talents. At level 70 we get the trinket slot and 2 additional choices.

    Trinket Tier:
    Go with http://www.wowhead.com/spell=208683/gladiators-medallion, unless you're playing human in which case you can choose to play with either http://www.wowhead.com/spell=214027/adaptation or http://www.wowhead.com/spell=196029/relentless.

    PvP Talent 1:
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=216883/phantom-assassin is too good not to pick. This talent alone will increase your damage more than all the other PvP talents combined.

    PvP Talent 2:
    The second slot provides some interesting choice. I'll list all of the viable options and which scenario to use them in.
    Battlegrounds:
    Choose either http://www.wowhead.com/spell=197000/maneuverability, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=248744/shiv or http://www.wowhead.com/spell=269513/death-from-above.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=248744/shiv is my personal favorite because it's an excellent kiting tool that goes through evasion and parry. It's also free.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=197000/maneuverability saves your life a surprising amount of times when soloqueuing.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=269513/death-from-above is terrible for damage (the animation time is not worth the extra 15% damage on eviscerate), but it's great as an extra gap-closer and for immuning CC.

    Arenas:
    Choose either http://www.wowhead.com/spell=207736/shadowy-duel, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=212182/smoke-bomb, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=248744/shiv or http://www.wowhead.com/spell=269513/death-from-above.
    Shiv and DFA are good for the same reasons as mentioned before.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=207736/shadowy-duel is best used as an extra CC. Although quite expensive in energy it can be used to essentially lock out an enemy healer from the rest of his team.
    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=212182/smoke-bomb also serves as an extra CC, allowing you, for example, to easily sap out of stuns (which can be unreliable otherwise).

    Professions
    Choosing the right professions is not as significant as it once was, but doing so can still give you some decent bonuses that are worth considering.

    Jewelcrafting is a must as it unlocks your BiS necklace http://www.wowhead.com/item=34358/hard-khorium-choker
    If you do happen to have a grandfathered http://www.wowhead.com/item=35135/guardians-pendant-of-triumph you can leave this slot open.

    Choose Engineering if you're planning on using http://www.wowhead.com/item=40767/sonic-booster or http://www.wowhead.com/item=23836/goblin-rocket-launcher. I recommend them both for their insanely high stamina and their effects. Engineering also provides a number of utilities that work in battlegrounds, which is the reason a lot of people pick it.

    If you still have an open slot you can go for Tailoring in order to make bandages.


    Macros
    Macros are essential to any class and rogue is no exception. Their goal should always be to simplify your gameplay as much as possible without limiting you. In this section I'll share every macro that I use on my rogue in 3 different categories: General, Arenas and Battlegrounds.

    General Macros:
    Code:
    #showtooltip Kick
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Kick
    /cast [nomod,@target]Kick
    Kick macro with focus modifier.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Blind
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Blind
    /cast [nomod,@target]Blind
    Blind macro with focus modifier.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Kidney Shot
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Kidney Shot
    /cast [nomod,@target]Kidney Shot
    Kidney Shot macro with focus modifier.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Shiv
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Shiv
    /cast [nomod,@target]Shiv
    Shiv macro with focus modifier.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Shadowy Duel
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Shadowy Duel
    /cast [nomod,@target]Shadowy Duel
    Shadowy Duel macro with focus modifier.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Sap
    /targetenemy
    /cast Sap
    Spam sap macro for duels against stealthers.

    Code:
    #showtooltip ShadowStep
    /cast [@mouseover]Shadowstep
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Shadowstep
    /cast [mod:shift,@focus]Kick
    /cast [nomod,@target]Shadowstep
    /cast [mod:alt,@party1]Shadowstep
    Shadowstep macro. It has shift modifier for focus that can be double tapped for a quick step-kick. It also has an alt modifier for stepping party1, which is handy for 2v2 arena. The mouseover line is just for getting around quicker in cities and whatnot. You'll never accidentally use it in combat because your mouse is always held down to move.

    Code:
    /use [nostealth]Bloodlust Brooch
    On-use trinket macro. All it does is make sure you don't accidentally break stealth by using it too early.

    Stealth/Shadow Dance Macros:
    These are macros that I use for every ability that requires stealth or shadow dance.
    This is the base structure that they are all built on:
    Code:
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth]Cheap Shot; [stance:2]Cheap Shot
    /cast Cheap Shot
    The example above is a Cheap Shot macro. It may look confusing but here is what it does:
    If you are already stealthed or shadow dancing it will just cast Cheap Shot.
    If you are out of combat and not stealthed or dancing it will Stealth → Cheap Shot.
    If you are in combat and not dancing it will Shadow Dance → Cheap Shot.
    Basically no matter the situation you are in, it will do whatever is necessary for you to Cheap Shot, and then Cheap Shot. This concept can be applied to every stealth ability:

    Code:
    #showtooltip Cheap Shot
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth]Cheap Shot; [stance:2]Cheap Shot
    /cast Cheap Shot
    Cheap Shot target.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Cheap Shot
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth,@focus]Cheap Shot; [stance:2,@focus]Cheap Shot
    /cast [@focus]Cheap Shot
    Cheap Shot focus.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Sap
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth]Sap; [stance:2]Sap
    /cast Sap
    Sap target.

    Code:
    #showtooltip Sap
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth,@focus]Sap; [stance:2,@focus]Sap
    /cast [@focus]Sap
    Sap focus.

    Code:
    #showtooltip shadowstrike
    /cast !Stealth
    /cast [combat,nostealth,stance:0]Shadow Dance; [stealth]Shadowstrike; [stance:2]Shadowstrike
    /cast Shadowstrike
    Shadowstrike target.

    Arena Macros:
    Code:
    /target arena1
    Code:
    /target arena2
    Code:
    /target arena3
    Code:
    /focus arena1
    Code:
    /focus arena2
    Code:
    /focus arena3
    These are targeting macros for arena. Getting used to these is one of the biggest improvements you can make to your gameplay if you aren't already using them. They also work for targeting flag/orb carriers in battlegrounds.

    Code:
    /cast [@arena1]Sap
    Code:
    /cast [@arena2]Sap
    Code:
    /cast [@arena3]Sap
    Arena target sap macros. I find these to be quicker than a traditional /targetenemy macro when looking for stealthers in arena.
    You'll also want to bind cheap shot, kidney shot, shadowstep, and kick arena target macros using the same formula. Alternatively, if you're running low on available keybinds, you can skip some of them and rely on focus targeting instead for the rest of your abilities.

    Battleground Macros:
    Code:
    #showtooltip Stealth
    /cancelaura Shadow Dance
    /cancelaura Shadow Dance
    /cancelaura Horde Flag
    /cancelaura Alliance Flag
    /cast !Stealth
    Stealth macro. Automatically drops WSG flag in case you need to CC a pursuer or whatever. The !Stealth line means you can't cancel stealth by pressing the macro again. It's optimal to bind this to something easily spammable such as your mousewheel, in case you only get a fraction of a second out of combat.

    Code:
    #showtooltip
    /cancelaura Horde Flag
    /cancelaura Alliance Flag
    /cast Vanish
    Vanish macro that automatically drops flags.

    Code:
    /focus [@mouseover]
    Code:
    /clearfocus
    Mouseover focus macro and focus clear macro. Useful in battlegrounds when you need to control or keep track of multiple people.
     
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    This guide made me learn how to play Subtlety, great insight and a good read. Thank mr Dreamsy
     
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    BIG lie
     
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    Hey I managed to burst you in 4 seconds, I was really proud of myself for that. :'(
     
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    That's a big step for sure but you'll be surprised to learn that playing pvp is more than testing your burst in elwynn forest!
     
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    But testing your burst in Elwynn Forest is the first step! Baby steps Dreamsy, baby steps.

    Maybe one day I'll teach you how to play AssAssNation rogue properly.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Not a problem my son! I will make sure you top the DPS charts of Ante Amanthe once I am departed from this land of pain and suffering.
     
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    Shinela Not your everyday tank Guardians of the 70s

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    Until execute phase happens ;D
     
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    We don't include execute phase in DPS charts anymore. I refer to rule 13.37 of the Rogue's Association Handbook which states "Damage Meters for a rogue start at the initiation of the boss fight, and end at 30%, so as to not allow Warriors the chance to catch up".
     
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    Still got 5% to catch up with. We got this easy. >:D
     
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    You telling me Execute is now 35%?
    Damn. Better go tell the RA about this and get the Handbook amended!
     
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    Shinela Not your everyday tank Guardians of the 70s

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    It is if you talent into it. Otherwise it's 20%.
     
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    20%? Guess the Handbook has a lot of amendments to do. It isn't 30% at all! Marvelous revelation!
     
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    Shinela Not your everyday tank Guardians of the 70s

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    I think your Rogue's Association Handbook was written by an absolute plonker.
     
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    Well, Dreamsy is a bit of a plonker, but I think it's quiet rude to call him that!
     
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    "Dreamsy" hahaha
     
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    Oi don't you be making fun of Dreamsy! Us rogues stick together like poison to a blade.
     
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    You mean the poison you keep forgetting to apply in BG's? :D
     
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    Low-blow man... Not my fault they keep getting taken off of my blades every time I go into an instanced area... They're supposed to last up to an hour! AN HOUR!
     

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