70 rogues and agil stacking gems
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Sushibanks
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Chillton
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mustve been someone else, i dont play fire in arena and i dont have a pveset,also i dont think i was playing 3s the other dayWhen u were fire, and we beat you in 3v3 a few days ago, ambushed you with synapse, procced cauterize and u blocked. crit 12k.
Justhealme
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I by no means pretend to be a rogue champ, but it's painfully obvious that the rogues in here are wasting their cloak. If you simply open with a garrote, any mage not suffering from parkinson will jump a couple of yards forward and nova you with his pet, leaving you a sitting duck and forcing you to blow cloak or vanish.
What's the big secret? One discovered in times of old by wise sages... It is known as... GARROTE KIDNEY. Just sap him and garrote from an angle without breaking sap, then kidney and enjoy. Doesn't work if you have wound up, but you should be using double crip for mages anyway (particularly if you're one of those "special" cases that use Mounting Vengeance in your off-hand).
Funny how Xavizi makes a thread or post at a daily rate about how certain classes and specs are impossible for a rogue to solo, while in fact, a 70 rogue with good gear should be able to 1v1 any 70 twink in a duel. It goes without saying that once I moved from Frostwhisper to Laughing Skull, the number and quality of twinks to duel decreased. Some random brutal geared rogue declared victory impossible after a mere two duels where he simply stepped to me and ambushed, put me in a kidney and started dancing. Needless to say, I IBF'ed it and turned around to crit him for 10k, at which point he couldn't recover. A rogue that never silences, disarms or gouges me, never dispels vengeance and never exerts effective control over a death knight in plate with tons of strength and a big sword deserves to lose. Perhaps not to a 10k crit, but we all know damage is out of hand for a number of classes at 70.
Mages are certainly among the harder classes for a rogue to beat, but to call it impossible is to give up before you even tried - it is very much doable.
What's the big secret? One discovered in times of old by wise sages... It is known as... GARROTE KIDNEY. Just sap him and garrote from an angle without breaking sap, then kidney and enjoy. Doesn't work if you have wound up, but you should be using double crip for mages anyway (particularly if you're one of those "special" cases that use Mounting Vengeance in your off-hand).
Funny how Xavizi makes a thread or post at a daily rate about how certain classes and specs are impossible for a rogue to solo, while in fact, a 70 rogue with good gear should be able to 1v1 any 70 twink in a duel. It goes without saying that once I moved from Frostwhisper to Laughing Skull, the number and quality of twinks to duel decreased. Some random brutal geared rogue declared victory impossible after a mere two duels where he simply stepped to me and ambushed, put me in a kidney and started dancing. Needless to say, I IBF'ed it and turned around to crit him for 10k, at which point he couldn't recover. A rogue that never silences, disarms or gouges me, never dispels vengeance and never exerts effective control over a death knight in plate with tons of strength and a big sword deserves to lose. Perhaps not to a 10k crit, but we all know damage is out of hand for a number of classes at 70.
Mages are certainly among the harder classes for a rogue to beat, but to call it impossible is to give up before you even tried - it is very much doable.
KnaisGuy
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I played Rogue at 70 and 80, Mage at 80, 85 and now twink 70. I'm pretty good at the Mage and the Rogue, and I know some really good Rogues on Thrall (Gojirah) who can kill me inside of Cloak, Kidney, Garrote, CS, all in one of those. Back when Hemo Rogue could ShS roots Rogue VS Mage was an amazing fight, but Rogue damage VS then is MUCH higher and the health pools aren't. If you are losing to Frost Mages 1v1 as a Rogue, you're not doing something right. Garrote + Kidney with Tazik + Mage at >50% from white damage + 1 ambush maybe (4-5k Ambush, 2k 2-3 White swings, 1-2k Garrote Damage, 3-7k Tazik damage), Shield only absorbs 8k, mage has 12-14k HP tops, so in your first 2 seconds hitting me, while I'm completely unable to do anything outside of A. Trinket or B. Ice Block, you've taken me down from my 22kish effective health pool to....minimum you've done 11k damage, half my health, maximum you've done 15-17k, which is 70-80% of my health. Now I trinket and Blink, you ShS Blind me, I Ice Block, you reopened, la dee da, you win, OR. You ShS and I pop another shield, health pool is up to 15k again we'll say, and during this time we've done say...3k to you, just from nova maybe, you dance cheapshot garrote ambush I die. OR. You dance, I I ce Block, you reopen, Blind immediately after garrote ambush spam, reopen.
That's what Gojirah does, every time. I've analyzed duels and arenas as both a Mage and a Rogue very carefully over 3-4 years, and it's a chess game. Rogue has to make Mage pop x, y, z before his a, b ,c is gone, only problem is that his a, b and c were designed back when he did 1/3rd the damage he does now, so while in theory Mage CAN and even SHOULD be at least a decent fight against Rogue, due to inflated damage it is really impossible for a good Rogue in a decent scenario to not beat a Mage in a relatively 1v1 situation, and even more so with dispels.
That's what Gojirah does, every time. I've analyzed duels and arenas as both a Mage and a Rogue very carefully over 3-4 years, and it's a chess game. Rogue has to make Mage pop x, y, z before his a, b ,c is gone, only problem is that his a, b and c were designed back when he did 1/3rd the damage he does now, so while in theory Mage CAN and even SHOULD be at least a decent fight against Rogue, due to inflated damage it is really impossible for a good Rogue in a decent scenario to not beat a Mage in a relatively 1v1 situation, and even more so with dispels.
halól
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