Chops
Soccer Dad
Not really sure how feral ends up in the same tier as MM and arcane but otherwise no
Every warrior is F Tier in F2P
EU+US 20's (Veteran & F2P) Tier List - BFA 8.3
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Henry
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Feral was borderline for me. Ranked them A Tier for Vets because the few good ferals that I've seen ARE "highly impactful" because they're very mobile and do both high burst and split damage with their bleeds. Feel like they're a constant nuisance/pressure to an enemy team and can blow up clothies with a full bite crit.
That's the hard thing about tier lists, is you end up comparing specs within the same tier, and lots of times their value/role to the team is different even though their overall impact is just as high. If I were drafting a team, I'd personally value a BiS Feral and a MM Hunt or Arcane Mage equally, but for different reasons.
Definitely up for demoting Feral to B tier ("slightly over-tuned") on the Vet list, though, if anyone else feels differently.
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tence
Legend
Just gonna reply to this for my reasoning for hpally.
-Bad dps (more like no dps)
-Lack of mobility vs druid, shaman and monk for getting away (travel form, spirit wolf, roll, etc)
-Goes out of mana the quickest with the requirement of flash of light spamming to keep people up (seriously it's like twice as fast)
-Flash of light does like 150+ less than whatever Rshamans equivalent is.
-Less forgiving to bad positioning without easy ways to get away.
-really requires good fake casting abilities since you cast fol 90% of the time.
Yes hoj is great but with range cleave meta you cant always get close enough to hoj without putting yourself at risk to get cc'd yourself. Bubble is great but without any movement speed increases you just delay the inevitable.
Hpally CAN be great in the right hands but you have to work twice as hard to do what the others do with ease. Seriously play one and you'll see.
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Henry
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Makes total sense. I’ll demote HPal from A Tier to B Tier for both Vet and F2P Lists.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Youre playing ele wrong if you think its that low, it has the same kit as resto which is the strongest in the game at this level, EB, ranged interrupt and ghost wolf. Flame shock dot pressure is incredibly strong. It has the strongest single target heals of any spec. Sure there is a little build up but if youre in a game where you dont get to build you can go ele force and let those flame shocks go and use everything else.
Ele is one of the strongest specs especially in a group vs group.
Then part 2.
Maps. Some specs are way stronger in AB or EotS than in WSG. Guardian druid especially can really cause a scene with a few healers. Shadow priest and demo lock really benefit from the confinement of EotS and feral druids from the openess of Arathi.
Ele is one of the strongest specs especially in a group vs group.
Then part 2.
Maps. Some specs are way stronger in AB or EotS than in WSG. Guardian druid especially can really cause a scene with a few healers. Shadow priest and demo lock really benefit from the confinement of EotS and feral druids from the openess of Arathi.
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Henry
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Yeah maps is one variable that I think is just too much to take into account. We’d be at like 6 different tier lists by the end of it lol.
I’ll defer to someone else on Ele. I’ve queued Ele probably a dozen times and lost more than I’ve won, but that’s in large part because the alternative of queueing Resto is so much more valuable when pugging.
So far we have 1 vote for promoting it up a tier and 2 votes for keeping it where it's at. Gotta make this shit democratic XD
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icehawk
The Beast Within
I have a soft spot for Prot Warriors. I wouldn’t say it’s F-tier.
I’d put it in C-tier.
Prot can be a real nuisance and pump out some good damage. Obviously ur not going to 1 v 1 a heals, but they’ll stand their ground against most other classes.
Mages can be a nuisance for them though.
Def not F-tier.
I’d put it in C-tier.
Prot can be a real nuisance and pump out some good damage. Obviously ur not going to 1 v 1 a heals, but they’ll stand their ground against most other classes.
Mages can be a nuisance for them though.
Def not F-tier.
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Henry
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I have a soft spot for Prot Warriors. I wouldn’t say it’s F-tier.
I’d put it in C-tier.
Prot can be a real nuisance and pump out some good damage. Obviously ur not going to 1 v 1 a heals, but they’ll stand their ground against most other classes.
Mages can be a nuisance for them though.
Def not F-tier.
Really? I had considered Prot Warrior to be the worst spec in the bracket lmao
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- Best in the Bracket
- Better than Average
- Average
- Worse than Average
- Worst in the Bracket
Donor
XPOff-topic Bro
i would bump vet demo lock up 2 average tier
but i hav soft spot 4 f2p warrs
so just ignore me on that
this still feels wrong 2 me :c
but i hav soft spot 4 f2p warrs
so just ignore me on that
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Henry
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I know, I know. I love the IDEA of F2P warriors, but every time I’ve ever played one (with no crusaders and terribly low stam) I’ve thrown up a little bit in my mouth....
I think I’ve queued as a F2P warrior like 25 times, and have never actually finished a BG. I just rage quit halfway through like the plate-wearing wet noodle I am.
Kakakaka
Veteran
Recommended changes:
Feral to B tier (85% of the time will be worse than the classes in A tier and can be compared to the B tier very easily), Windwalker to C tier (potential of the class is lower than each class in the B tier + would rather any of the B tier classes over a WW in any game), and Brewmaster to D tier (just doesn't have any uses outside of spamming consumables off CD).
Feral to B tier (85% of the time will be worse than the classes in A tier and can be compared to the B tier very easily), Windwalker to C tier (potential of the class is lower than each class in the B tier + would rather any of the B tier classes over a WW in any game), and Brewmaster to D tier (just doesn't have any uses outside of spamming consumables off CD).
Donor
XPOff-topic Bro
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Chey
Legend
Probably one of the closest list that I would agree with, nice job.
Tried to do one myself based on your parameters, was to hard so I made an alternative for fun.
My list is ranked on my initial thoughts when I see a particular class on the opposing side with the alchemy buff.
GOD Tier (Slash AFK):
* Restoration Shaman
S Tier (OH FFS):
* Restoration Druid
A Tier (FRICKEN BALLS):
* Arcane Mage
* Marksmanship Hunter
B Tier (well that sucks):
* Discipline Priest
* Holy Priest
* Mistweaver Monk
C Tier (Bugger Me):
* Fury Warrior
* Holy Paladin
* Balance Druid
D Tier (Damn Daniel):
* Survival Hunter
* Feral Druid
* Outlaw Rogue
E Tier (Shit could get nasty):
* Beast Mastery Hunter
* Retribution Paladin
* Destruction Warlock
* Shadow Priest
F Tier (Well they are going to be a pain):
* Demonology Warlock
* Elemental Shaman
* Arms Warrior
* Windwalker Monk
G Tier (Meh could be worse):
* Enhancement Shaman
* Subtlety Rogue
* Frost Mage
* Assassination Rogue
* Affliction Warlock
H Tier (TM Zen* Your Insignia will be Yummy):
* Protection Paladin
* Protection Warrior
* Fire Mage
* Brewmaster Monk
* Guardian Druid
Tried to do one myself based on your parameters, was to hard so I made an alternative for fun.
My list is ranked on my initial thoughts when I see a particular class on the opposing side with the alchemy buff.
GOD Tier (Slash AFK):
* Restoration Shaman
S Tier (OH FFS):
* Restoration Druid
A Tier (FRICKEN BALLS):
* Arcane Mage
* Marksmanship Hunter
B Tier (well that sucks):
* Discipline Priest
* Holy Priest
* Mistweaver Monk
C Tier (Bugger Me):
* Fury Warrior
* Holy Paladin
* Balance Druid
D Tier (Damn Daniel):
* Survival Hunter
* Feral Druid
* Outlaw Rogue
E Tier (Shit could get nasty):
* Beast Mastery Hunter
* Retribution Paladin
* Destruction Warlock
* Shadow Priest
F Tier (Well they are going to be a pain):
* Demonology Warlock
* Elemental Shaman
* Arms Warrior
* Windwalker Monk
G Tier (Meh could be worse):
* Enhancement Shaman
* Subtlety Rogue
* Frost Mage
* Assassination Rogue
* Affliction Warlock
H Tier (TM Zen* Your Insignia will be Yummy):
* Protection Paladin
* Protection Warrior
* Fire Mage
* Brewmaster Monk
* Guardian Druid
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Henry
Veteran
Thanks!!
Moved Feral to B Tier because you’re the second one to argue it should be lower.
Anyone else agree WW and BM Monks should be lower? It was previously argued that they be promoted to where they’re at now.
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Lmao, love it.
Considering demoting Fire Mage to D Tier myself...
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Ill back moving down the monks.
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Henry
Veteran
Done
Chops
Soccer Dad
I think this is important. Maps are key when assessing some classes. So I think its important to recognize that ele shaman really shines in EOTS, where mid clash tends to result in "rolling" fights from obj to obj and you're never far from a GY spawn wave.
That said, I think their main problem remains. It takes a while to build to that burst, they get it once, and then they have to build to it again. And all the while they're just a worse Rsham. If you're arguing to move them up a tier, you'd have to argue why they're better than a shadow priest or a destro lock.
You've got three classes that require a build up to a short burst window but before they get there, provide strong off heal/CC utility. It makes sense that theyre all in the same tier.
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Henry
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I moved it up when I consolidated the tiers. So now it's in B Tier alongside SPriest, Destro, HPal, Ret, Surv, BM Hunt, Arms, and Feral, which I think is where it should be.
When Goesid typed that Ele was a tier lower, but the common feedback was that it belongs in B.
The only ones I'm really still on the fence are Demo (have it in C, but it might be B), Prot Pally (have it in C but might be D), and Fire Mage (have it in D, but it might be C).