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legion was the best the brakcet ever in temrs of different classes being playable.
20s f2p twinks are mass afk reporting lvl 29s in the bracket
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sadly alot of twinks are queing up on multiple accounts say a f2p trail and then vet, to get faster que times, then speed run the dunegon for drops while the other players sturggle to keep up and get no drops from bosses and are sometimes killed by mobs. These stupid actions are what will make blizzard massively nerf twinking when it comes to dungeons or remove the scaling so now gems and enchants become alot weaker, and now twinks can no longer solo dungeons at a good pace.
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i agree years ago when they had the f2p trial capped at lvl 20 back in 2010 most of the players where folks who were young and didnt have alot of money. To them being capped at 20 was the game to them, As you can do dungeons and pvp in bgs with 3-4 minute bg ques. Plus no crazy raid mechanics to lagg low end pcs. They would do dunegons to get gear then go into bgs to have a chance in pvp, because back then the only real threat you had was lvl 24 shadow priest and few hunters along with frost mages and most 24s rolled in premades. Seeing a lvl 24 was somewhat rare.
Then when the bracket change from20-24 to 20-29 everything changed.
It was so rare to have your night ruined by any one 24 or group of 24 (or later 29s) because of the overall bracket activity
You had f2p twinks, 24 or 29 twinks (abusers) and an overwhelming number of levelers all queuing into the same BGs
There was so much activity that it was extremely hard to have consecutive bad games
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i believe at that time the only way 24s could get into the bgs was to have a lvl 20 f2p trial join the party and then have them que the team in.
That could be true. Idk I never played scummy like that so I couldn’t say otherwise
Trials never been with levelers until legion. since then we been thrown in and out of it what 2 times now. But you right.
Sheer activity back in day sustained games every day of the week and the premading scene wasn't this aids.
While i love legion and not only for getting bis ret legendary from winning a wsg i carried at endgame but for the stat templates and that one glimmer of hope moment on ptr when level 10s could duel level 110 competitively - it had major issues. Healer spec swap queue abuse and sv hunters harpoon at anything from the orbit to finish the entire demographics with axe throw. Looking back at it the bfa was closest to balance we had. that or mop where no one literally died entire bg but that is to each and theirown. Really sad tho since you could fix all of this within a week. Granted imbecile are not in charge.
I second your peace and harmony idea.
twoshotmiyagi
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this ain't got really much to do with f2ps/vets , or even twinks in general. this is just the state of retail wow. leveling experience has suffered from the highest degree of neglect from trash blizz. you can be a lvl13 noob tank in greens and manage to clear the entire dungeon while some lvl74 cant even kill the critter at teh start, left behind.
point was that twinking on retail has become sufficiently braindead and obsolete since the games focus is entirely on endgame and nothing for low levels. garbage oneshotting everywhere. gg blizz, and gg mushbrains.
Is this still going on? 
I've been making arguments in the D#cord on how the existence of 29-rollers slowly eats up the bracket.
The stagnation of bracket activity has been my main reason for making pro-20 arguments.
But I don't see how this mass-reporting shit that's been going on, is any different.
A salty community sure is better than a dead one
I've been making arguments in the D#cord on how the existence of 29-rollers slowly eats up the bracket.The stagnation of bracket activity has been my main reason for making pro-20 arguments.
But I don't see how this mass-reporting shit that's been going on, is any different.
A salty community sure is better than a dead one
Parity
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Well report kicking 29’s wouldn’t kill the bracket, letting them play wouldIs this still going on?
The stagnation of bracket activity has been my main reason for making pro-20 arguments.
But I don't see how this mass-reporting shit that's been going on, is any different.
A salty community sure is better than a dead one
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mop was insane how op healers where, fights were a grind fest almost like retail. The two expansion lvlers and 20 twinks where in the same bg was i think legion and bfa. legion was the best i think with bfa behind.
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As it stand bg qus are now about 12 minute son fri-sunday and 15 min on weekdays around peak time. The problem is 29 twinks do about 20 percent more damage and have 15 percent more health. That might not seem like alot but f2p 20s are at 3700-3800 hp and 29s are at 4300-4400, Right now holy priest are critting 4200-4400 holy fire damage crit, its basically a 1 shot feast, with only 29 twinks able to withstand 1-2 hits. Damage scalling is insane right noww, aimed shot does 4100-4300 damage crit. Chaos bolt does 4000 damage. So basically hunters and warriors along with holy priest are what dominate the bgs. Warriors put so much pressure on hunters its the only counter to them as casters cant even get cast off vs hunters, because its once scilence shot and aim shot and your dead.
Elmenetal shamans do 1.8k damage lighting bolt crit but resto shamans do even more damage at 2.5k damage crit on lighting bolt.
Parity
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What’s your point?
Risking the accounts of people inside the community definetly won't damage the community
And when the 29s starts to massreport 20s, and you just have a big massreport war going on? Then what?
This started happening last time I played. And It literally drives players on both sides of the argument out.
Doing things this way is the practical equivalent to starting a genocide to obtain peace
Historically, it doesn't work.Like, it's not something you do for the health of the bracket. It's something you do out of frustration. And if a video game can frustrate you to the point where you feel righteous in being wrong, it's time to find better things to do. Because at the end of the day, WoW is also just a game!
twoshotmiyagi
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gonna be real with you on this one but there ain't much of a bracket that's left to be killed, no offense.
i mean, lets be real, you don't even have enough to wargame anymore. makes sense since nobody joins the bracket, same player names every weekend, same scripted games, boring restrictions on class/gear (who tf thought green vendor gear was a smart idea?). anways, ain't killin' somethin' that's already dead. get real, move on.
so, to clarify, you really can't afford to (as a community, if you wanna call yourselves that) have this vendetta against 29s since, if anything, they're helping your non-existant weekday queues to actually pop. that's if any of 29s exist anymore, thanks to your kicking shenanigans.
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They tried that but failed
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We can afford to (queues pop enough, and bro.. we’ve literally already said that more 20’s will play when the 29’s are gone) and in any event I’d rather no queues than a spastic 29 oneshotting the entire lobby.
Parity
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1) To use your analogy, we dont want peace, we want genocide (on the 29’s).Risking the accounts of people inside the community definetly won't damage the community
And when the 29s starts to massreport 20s, and you just have a big massreport war going on? Then what?
This started happening last time I played. And It literally drives players on both sides of the argument out.
Doing things this way is the practical equivalent to starting a genocide to obtain peace
Like, it's not something you do for the health of the bracket. It's something you do out of frustration. And if a video game can frustrate you to the point where you feel righteous in being wrong, it's time to find better things to do. Because at the end of the day, WoW is also just a game!
2) It is something we are doing for the health of the bracket (the 29’s are the cancer that’s destroying it).
3) Saying we are wrong is a matter of opinion, I don’t understand how you think 29’s stomping on 20’s is ok??
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Never once did I make an argument in support of 29s.
Last time I did a bg on my 20s, I was reported this way. Likely for making the pro-20 arguments in the 29s chat.
Do I think all the same awful shit about 29s you guys do? YES!
Do I think it's rich that a bracket created on the sole purpose of being disgustingly overpowered, starts to abuse the report system because the very same thing is happening to them? Kinda. Though the bracket has evolved to become more than that over the years, I still find it a tad bit ironic.
Essentially 29s are doing what they wanna do with their free-time, as scummy as that is.
Call me idealistic, but I believe the best way is to make 20s a better place to be, through community, events, continental guilds that exclude 29s fully in every single thing they do.
And the 20s who won't part-take in that, simply wouldn't be doing enough. And if people aren't doing enough, then they deserve to sit in the stench of their own shit.