20s f2p twinks are mass afk reporting lvl 29s in the bracket
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toskosa
Grandfathered
Yeah, had many an argument with my fellow twinks on this and I am always proven right in the end that twinks are their own worst enemy.
Conzil
F2P Legend
Amen
twoshotmiyagi
Member
Because the lvl20s wargaming in DF afterwards, then when that died, began running normal pug BGs in TWW, kicking out 29s on sight (if anything, flatlined 29s this time), aren't all examples of change occuring in response to external factors. Less buzzwords, more facts please.
BANKONE
Grandfathered
Chops and I can really only speak to NA probably. But many 20s players rerolled 29 in DF prepatch at the end of SL when 20s were kicked out of the xp enabled queues. These were typically the players that liked to run 8man hunter premades btw (they basically wanted easy shameless wins)
This had a two fold effect in DF and beyond of both driving away dedicated 20s, especially “alternative endgame” folks as well as reducing wargames since the folks who typically organized wargames played 20s and much of the bracket base left their 20s behind.
In fact there were much more wargames happening during SL and previously before the bracket change because the bracket was built around people being level 20.
Right, it’s always been a known limitation but the big difference since DF is that now we don’t have xp enabled queues to keep activity going and water down the impact that a 29 solo player or premade would have.
most dedicated 20s players knew what they were getting themselves into and could avoid or otherwise dodge 24 or 29 “abusers” just by losing them in the larger activity of the bracket. This is no longer possible
Chops
Soccer Dad
I'll remember to draw it in crayon next time so you can keep up
twoshotmiyagi
Member
Well, I don't know much about what the scene is like on NA, so, unlike your buddy Chops, I'm not going to start extrapolating the views I have with regards to the shitstorm that is the EU bracket these days and assume that it would hold for the rest of you. I mean, I would hope it does, I can't imagine you guys being that special to still keep the random BG queues alive.
But to sort of explain you the EU side/version, if you played here, you would automatically know that many players who are playing 20 right now were actually playing 29s themselves particularly during the DF prepatch when BG activity was at its peak since the change. However, 20s were seen at the time a bit more tame (less bursty) compared to 29s, 29s getting fed up of oneshotted by other own instead of oneshotting 20s, and with the wargame initiatives ran by mainly the Russians during the DF expansion, made 20s more appealing. So, in contrast to what you're depicting, a lot of 20s that did reroll 29 actually came back. And the ones that didn't, well, simply got forced out the bracket since they had no community of their own (and still don't, on EU, at least).
Then the wargame kinda began to die down, like I said early in one of the posts here, it became very restrictive and sort of "over-engineered" imo, new players weren't joining/old ones leaving, kept needing to adjust overtime with Blizzard nerfs/buffs.. So, then in TWW, normal pug BGs picked up but here's where players started to realize that 20s was REALLY not any more better anymore because of how bursty the bracket had actually turned out to be. The DF wargames had mostly diguised this but over time, indeed, the 20s bracket has became just as mindnumbingly braindread and pathetic, akin to how 29s were and most likely are. even more: oneshots galore.
And that's really my whole point throughout. I am not arguing whether 29s should get kicked or not; the whole drama seems pointless from either side given how low quality and low activity the general bracket experience is characterized by. My (rhetorical) question was, well, we kicked the 29s out in their fleeting attempt to re-incorporate into the bracket, but why are the queues, if anything, dwindling? And I've answered it already, the question was posed to EU players (given the context of the OP), not to NA players like Chops who felt the need to interrupt and bark either way.
BANKONE
Grandfathered
Really interesting to know the story since xpoff bracket queue separation for EU. Sounds like EU had actually a different path than NA. NA players (abusers) just want to win, and nothing should encroach on their right to play a brain dead meta spec 29 to do so. Even if you told them they’d also 1 shot if they were 20.
Anyway the future of this bracket probably just comes down to activity and general enjoyment of the people who play without abusing. This one shot meta we are in just further reinforces fotm spec only play and people are probably just not willing to invest time into a non meta spec in a basically non active bracket.
I just wish blizz would reintegrate queues, 20s, 29s and levelers as a compromise just to put some pulse back into it.
Anyway the future of this bracket probably just comes down to activity and general enjoyment of the people who play without abusing. This one shot meta we are in just further reinforces fotm spec only play and people are probably just not willing to invest time into a non meta spec in a basically non active bracket.
I just wish blizz would reintegrate queues, 20s, 29s and levelers as a compromise just to put some pulse back into it.
Calligraphy
Veteran
While I as a vet wouldn't mind this, levelers dumped into a twinkfight would rightly be pissed off at being irrelevant. I wouldn't ask someone else to sacrifice their enjoyment just so that I could have an easier time of things.
The least worst option for us is probably stat templates and then reintegrating the brackets. The less power differential, the less people feel punished for not going full sweat meta and the less likely people are to just give up on the whole thing.
Knucklehead
New Member
I think the whole bracket is dog shit with only a handful that's not...Only 1 handful means five fingers as those five fingers are referring to individuals just in case the 8th grade non graduates couldn't understand that