10 v 10 underpowered lock pov #newFOTM

Bop said:
Your pet control really doesn't need that much improvement. I was able to keep your pet up a couple of times.

Basically the issue is that the pet health bar is super low, and it's an easy swap target. Succy has some range on lash, so it may be worth it to just let her max range lash macroed into your abilities (maybe Immo to keep her energy starved, since I doubt Incinerate would).


But yeah, pets are going to die. Just have to keep summoning them - which you were doing.
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I often differentiate between mediocre locks and good ones by how they micro manage their demon and if they know how to burst, it ain't hard by any means, just most ppl just keep pet on assist and never position it out of SS range etc
And bursting as lock (situational) is not incinerate nor conflag spam
spam, unless you have at least 2 other dps bursting same target

Now I couldn't watch the vid, since uploader hasn't made it available to watch on phones?

Also imp>succy for dmg and dispel. Anyway moar locks!
 
Kiri said:
U do a lot of pve on ur f2ps?
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an argument can be made for any stat whether its stacking haste, crit, hit, spirit, or primary stats.

ultimately the only way to look at this stuff is effective damage per sec choosing anything else is a mater of preference and wont yield your highest damage.

"but crit gets kills" ......IMO is bullshit -.- your 3 extra crits you get out of 100 casts from stacking alot of crit is just as likely to get a kb as 100 cast with 3 less crits but all hitting for 20+ more.
warlocks have very high sp coeficients in their spells and lack base damage. sp does more for them and you can see it in the spreadsheet.
 
Snowjobs i dont offer this to many twinks butt would you be willing to join team asap and teach us.
 
Snowjobs said:
an argument can be made for any stat whether its stacking haste, crit, hit, spirit, or primary stats.

ultimately the only way to look at this stuff is effective damage per sec choosing anything else is a mater of preference and wont yield your highest damage.

"but crit gets kills" ......IMO is bullshit -.- your 3 extra crits you get out of 100 casts from stacking alot of crit is just as likely to get a kb as 100 cast with 3 less crits but all hitting for 20+ more.
warlocks have very high sp coeficients in their spells and lack base damage. sp does more for them and you can see it in the spreadsheet.
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i agree with snowjobs, though i may end up using garroshs instead of bronze band of force though, i guess ill just have to see what my hp is at and then decide really not sure yet

or i may try the "" one, since its only like 2 damage less on each spell and its pretty much 1% crit for 3 SP..

i was able to snag the int bracers on tich horde though, pure lock that there happened to be one on AH when snowjobs posted this, big thank you to him

Asapgoonie @ Tichondrius - Community - World of Warcraft

still need to get haste cloak, garrosh ring and bbof

=^]

with f2ps, the thing that i think sucks about crit stacking outside of having op p2p enchants to give u high crit is that u scale to 24 so even tho u may have more crit rating when scaled up, ur crit chance will actually be lower since at 24 u need lot more crit rating to increase crit %

at most it would be sacrificing 2% crit which hardly makes a difference in the 14-17% crit range imo, since im used to running around 28-30% crit in 19s. whichever set i use my crit % sucks regardless

another thing is that even though i may crit theoretically 2 less times out of 100 casts, each one of my crits should hit harder right? since i will have more SP. someone correct me if im wrong though.
 
asapchips said:
i agree with snowjobs, though i may end up using garroshs instead of bronze band of force though, i guess ill just have to see what my hp is at and then decide really not sure yet

or i may try the "" one, since its only like 2 damage less on each spell and its pretty much 1% crit for 3 SP..

i was able to snag the int bracers on tich horde though, pure lock that there happened to be one on AH when snowjobs posted this, big thank you to him

Asapgoonie @ Tichondrius - Community - World of Warcraft

still need to get haste cloak, garrosh ring and bbof

=^]

with f2ps, the thing that i think sucks about crit stacking outside of having op p2p enchants to give u high crit is that u scale to 24 so even tho u may have more crit rating when scaled up, ur crit chance will actually be lower since at 24 u need lot more crit rating to increase crit %

at most it would be sacrificing 2% crit which hardly makes a difference in the 14-17% crit range imo, since im used to running around 28-30% crit in 19s. whichever set i use my crit % sucks regardless

another thing is that even though i may crit theoretically 2 less times out of 100 casts, each one of my crits should hit harder right? since i will have more SP. someone correct me if im wrong though.
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linking the spread sheet again just for ease of description
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small note this sheet does not include the effects of enemy resil but it still shows what is biss.

in this sheet it shows the "effective dps" this means you should be doing this much dps in a bg if you are spaming the ability. so when choosing gear u want the gear that gives you the highest effective dps with sacrificing the least amount of stam.
as you can see the effective dps of changing red riding gloves to serpent gloves increases the effective dps of his spells. serpent gloves also have more stam so thus they are clearly bis.(row two)

now we look at changing the cloak to sorcerers cloak (row three) and we see that the effective dps goes up again . you also have more stam thus again it is a no brainer.

next we look at the effects of ivy cloth bracers (row 4) and we see that effective dps goes up again. the other option is mindthrust bracers. swapping to these is also better than crystaline cuffs but not quite as good as ivycloth. in this situation you trade like 4 stamina for 1 int. so the choice is up to you.

next we look at changing stillwaters signet to dpr. (row 5) your dps drops from this so clearly it was a bad choice unless you are using the ring to hit cap.

after that i looked at changing rings from stilwaters signet to garoshes pardon or bronze band of force (row 6 and 7) as you can see both are better but you loose 5 stam for that 1 int of bronze band of force. Here is another example of trading stam for int. choice is up to you.

lastly all the other changes i tried in the remaining rows all lowered dps so they were "bad changes".

in case you are miss reading the table, in row four i put the changes in "" marks then in the next row i just typed out "" + ect the "" marks just mean include the changes from row four that are in "" marks in this box. that way i took up less space.

so the changes to get the max dps at row 6 the highlighted row. you would change bracers to ivycloth of int , cloak to random dungeon cloak of sorcerer, gloves to serpent gloves, and stilwaters to bronze band of force.

yet again you can change out bracers for mtb and ring for garoshes pardon and still have better dps then before but gain about 9 stam

just re-read your post and i think i explained a lot more than you were asking for and probably u already understood it but i guess ill just leave it as is since it does answer your question
 
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Snowjobs said:
linking the spread sheet again just for ease of description
0XrcBfR.png

small note this sheet does not include the effects of enemy resil but it still shows what is biss.

in this sheet it shows the "effective dps" this means you should be doing this much dps in a bg if you are spaming the ability. so when choosing gear u want the gear that gives you the highest effective dps with sacrificing the least amount of stam.
as you can see the effective dps of changing red riding gloves to serpent gloves increases the effective dps of his spells. serpent gloves also have more stam so thus they are clearly bis.(row two)

now we look at changing the cloak to sorcerers cloak (row three) and we see that the effective dps goes up again . you also have more stam thus again it is a no brainer.

next we look at the effects of ivy cloth bracers (row 4) and we see that effective dps goes up again. the other option is mindthrust bracers. swapping to these is also better than crystaline cuffs but not quite as good as ivycloth. in this situation you trade like 4 stamina for 1 int. so the choice is up to you.

next we look at changing stillwaters signet to dpr. (row 5) your dps drops from this so clearly it was a bad choice unless you are using the ring to hit cap.

after that i looked at changing rings from stilwaters signet to garoshes pardon or bronze band of force (row 6 and 7) as you can see both are better but you loose 5 stam for that 1 int of bronze band of force. Here is another example of trading stam for int. choice is up to you.

lastly all the other changes i tried in the remaining rows all lowered dps so they were "bad changes".

in case you are miss reading the table, in row four i put the changes in "" marks then in the next row i just typed out "" + ect the "" marks just mean include the changes from row four that are in "" marks in this box. that way i took up less space.

so the changes to get the max dps at row 6 the highlighted row. you would change bracers to ivycloth of int , cloak to random dungeon cloak of sorcerer, gloves to serpent gloves, and stilwaters to bronze band of force.

yet again you can change out bracers for mtb and ring for garoshes pardon and still have better dps then before but gain about 9 stam

just re-read your post and i think i explained a lot more than you were asking for and probably u already understood it but i guess ill just leave it as is since it does answer your question
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thanks for all ur help man, really appreciated

=^]
 
TheFupaKing said:
Curse of Enfeeblement

Also, ive never seen a warlock so worried about top damage.
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i wasnt worried about top damage, more so my KB count

and yeah i need to use curse more, mostly just forgot to use it cause im new to the class

used it at very start on mage was the first spell i casted, then sort of forgot to keep recasting, remembered a little again towards middle of game but was hard to remember to keep using it
 
AND TACT BESTOWED ON TO THEM THY HOLY SPREADSHEET
wow numbers new(2)

MAY IT BE A BEACON OF DAMAGE KNOWLEDGE IN THESE DARK TIMES. BUT WOULD THOU BE MISGUIDED FOR ETERNITY... NEIGH! THE DAYS SHALL COME WHEN THY F2PDEV SHALL SPEAK THE WORDS OF TRUTH (in it's own separate tab window).


Also td;dr;why are you speaking like that:
SP over all. Click on the destro tab. Build your character with F2PDev, input your SP Haste Crit and Health. See your damage. You and you alone decide how much stamina you need. I can only show you the path to great damage. It's up to you to decide how long you think you need to cast it. But do not underestimate the powers of the serpent tick.
 
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asapchips said:
i wasnt worried about top damage, more so my KB count

and yeah i need to use curse more, mostly just forgot to use it cause im new to the class

used it at very start on mage was the first spell i casted, then sort of forgot to keep recasting, remembered a little again towards middle of game but was hard to remember to keep using it
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You did good for being new to the class. Kudos to you. <3

I'm no pro but here's my two spell rotation for Destruction,

Immolate > Curse of Enfeeblement

or if I'm on the move I apply/reapply Curse of Enfeeblement on everything around me.
 
asapchips said:
decided to race change to goblin for the 5 extra int and 1% haste

=^]
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http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43...lock-pov-newfotm-60514/index4.html#post817808
as u can see gobo and belf both have the same int.

heres the thing though . Belfs get Bloodthistle - Item - World of Warcraft which gives a extra 10 sp and the buff stacks with all other spells.
so basicaly belfs have an extra 10 int over gobos. and they get a 1% crit passive in Wod as well as their silence nova .

if you want to be bis damage i would highly recommend going belf.

in WOD you will want to stack as much crit as you can as a demo lock since doom crits summon imps which do a shit ton of damage. So even if you are in premades playing without consumables the belf passive will still be superior for damage.

only thing gobo will have is better mobility.

Just felt like letting you know before u got to Geared.
 
Snowjobs said:
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43...lock-pov-newfotm-60514/index4.html#post817808
as u can see gobo and belf both have the same int.

heres the thing though . Belfs get Bloodthistle - Item - World of Warcraft which gives a extra 10 sp and the buff stacks with all other spells.
so basicaly belfs have an extra 10 int over gobos. and they get a 1% crit passive in Wod as well as their silence nova .

if you want to be bis damage i would highly recommend going belf.

in WOD you will want to stack as much crit as you can as a demo lock since doom crits summon imps which do a shit ton of damage. So even if you are in premades playing without consumables the belf passive will still be superior for damage.

only thing gobo will have is better mobility.

Just felt like letting you know before u got to Geared.
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i have a race change payed for but havent made the change yet

this lock is purely for premades, and i dont think i can use bloodthistle in premades, but thanks for the suggestion

premades this month i should add
 
asapchips said:
i have a race change payed for but havent made the change yet

this lock is purely for premades, and i dont think i can use bloodthistle in premades, but thanks for the suggestion

premades this month i should add
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here are the spreadsheets for both races . the one with .21 under crit is belf . the one with .2 is gobo

just a little something for you to look at and compare numbers with.
 
asapchips said:
is this for now or wod because i wont be playing this game in wod let a lone f2ps
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Woops yeah those were wod numbers. Right now if you can't use blood thistle and you will only be premading go goblin all day long.
 
also thinking about harvest life instead of dark regen.. feel like i never really needed dark regen and using harvest life after incinerate ==> conflag will give more burst than casting another incinerate afterwards
 
asapchips said:
also thinking about harvest life instead of dark regen.. feel like i never really needed dark regen and using harvest life after incinerate ==> conflag will give more burst than casting another incinerate afterwards
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off the top of my head that doesnt seem like it would be bis but ill take a look at some numbers when i get back.
 
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