Hillary banning guns?

Snack said:
Elaborate, please
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You never mentioned how many people are saved because someone nearby has a license to carry a firearm and stopped an attacker.
 
AlisterCrow said:
Agreed. It's like, you guys do realize that drones are a thing right? Your guns don't mean shit.
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I'm pretty sure they do, the people carrying guns outnumber the drones by the millions.

Allybeboba said:
Never mentioned how many people call police when they need help either.
"Help me Help me nearest criminal help me!"
Instead, people tend to focus on the negatives because that is the path of water.
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True
 
Allybeboba said:
And the knife


And what of all the stabbing deaths in Europe?... How would one explain those away so easily?

The 2 year old shooting someone could have just as easily happened if someone would have left a car running and said 2 year old put said car in drive and ran over someone, right? I am sure it has happened...
Me... I would explain it as criminals being criminals...

The two year old shooting someone could have easily happened with a car of someone had left it running and said 2 year old put said car in drive. I am sure it has happened somewhere... That 2 year old's gun owner was not being safe and responsible. They do come with safety manuals for a reason. The government can't be your nanny your entire life.

Here in the US, if you maliciously ran over someone with your vehicle, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon just like a gun. A vehicle can be used a weapon.
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If you'd read my comment more carefully I said it could explain some of the deaths, of course not all. To explain that, you'd have to go wayy deeper...

By the way, it's entertaining to see you grasping at straws in this debate, when every research done (except those funded by the gun industry ofc) point out, that it's safer to not have guns in your home.
FrozenWill said:
You never mentioned how many people are saved because someone nearby has a license to carry a firearm and stopped an attacker.
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Very few I'd say. Especially since, in this scenario, "saving" someone actually means killing someone else.
Allybeboba said:
"Help me Help me nearest criminal help me!"
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What?
 
Allybeboba said:
Explained a few posts up...


UAVs have been a "thing" for a hundred years...
Allies took out German Zeppelins with them.
They are not new.
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A musket and an assault rifle are both firearms, but the development of the technology has drastically changed it's efficacy. The same is true for UAVs. Dismissing Alister's statement because some of the earliest uses of the technology are a century old does not counter the point he made.
 
Snack said:
If you'd read my comment more carefully I said it could explain some of the deaths, of course not all. To explain that, you'd have to go wayy deeper...

By the way, it's entertaining to see you grasping at straws in this debate, when every research done (except those funded by the gun industry ofc) point out, that it's safer to not have guns in your home.

Very few I'd say. Especially since, in this scenario, "saving" someone actually means killing someone else.


What?
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Not all criminals are killed by civilians, I've seen many videos where they were injured and some even got away then were found later due to blood evidence on the ground from the bullet wounds.

Anyways, I don't really see how your point is justifiable as if the criminals intent wasn't to harm anyone and that "killing" someone in self defense of another's life is somehow wrong because guns were involved.

Criminals will still find ways to get their hands on guns regardless, just like meth and Cocain are illegal yet people are obtaining them. Same can be said with marijuana.
 
FrozenWill said:
I'm pretty sure they do, the people carrying guns outnumber the drones by the millions.



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The people controlling the drones cannot be seen by the militia. The drones will bomb the militia without the militia even knowing the drone was there. You can shoot at the sky, you can send up your own UAV that isn't a stealth drone, but your tactics are obsolete. No hope. Only death.
 
AlisterCrow said:
The people controlling the drones cannot be seen by the militia. The drones will bomb the militia without the militia even knowing the drone was there. You can shoot at the sky, you can send up your own UAV that isn't a stealth drone, but your tactics are obsolete. No hope. Only death.
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What if the guy controlling the drone is actually part of the militia o_O plot twist
 
Allybeboba said:
Explained a few posts up...


UAVs have been a "thing" for a hundred years...
Allies took out German Zeppelins with them.
They are not new.
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UAV is simply the same thing as a drone absent of the ability to operate without human control. Any UAV a civilian may have developed to counter a drone is at a laughable disadvantage. Also, zeppelins are rather obvious in their approach when compared to a drone.
 
Now....I'm putting on my helmet to protect myself from gunfire. Hillary banning guns was the subject of discussion......not anymore.
 
Allybeboba said:
He stated drones are the "thing". I merely pointed out that they have been around for a century, they are not new. I did not address his comment on UAVs vs guns, because an armed UAV is not available as an off the shelf item without a license that I am aware. Although, I have never looked into it since it does not interest me what-so-ever, it may be.



Naturally any place will be safer if anything that can harm you is not present. Anyone should realize this...
Is my garage safer because I don't have my hammer there? Sure... I can't accidentally hit my hand with it while driving a nail.
That rug in my entryway? I better get rid of it... People have been known to slip & fall and break their necks on such things.
Oh my Lord! my kitchen!! We won't even start there...
I hear carpets let off chemical vapors too. Better get rid of that!!
And vehicles, oh my... plane travel is much much safer.
Spending of cash...ewww... it is so so filthy. How can anyone even touch the stuff?
Before you know it we will all be living the Amish lifestyle.

At any rate, with this little show you all can easily see how ANY place can be safer by taking a single thing away. You could take your computer monitor away and make it "safer".
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Even though you're correct, everyone can see how faulty your argument is. Hammers, kitchen knives etc aren't made to kill. Guns are. Of course having a gun around will provide a bigger risk of an accident happening than having a hammer laying around in your garrage.

I know you hold your famous Second Amendment very dear, but it shouldn't get in the way of logical thinking
 
Allybeboba said:
I would say that every flying drone is a UAV, but every UAV is not a drone.
I did not state a Zeppelin was a UAV. I stated UAVs took them out.

You do realize most of the US's military R&D is civilian based.
In fact, a "civilian" company did develop the drones in the US arsenal today. One like the Predator RQ-1L, for example, was developed by General Atomics. No so laughable...
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I'm not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that I was saying zeppelins were UAVs....anyways, the point I was trying to make there was that UAVs taking out zeppelins in the past and UAVs taking out drones today aren't even two scenarios that should be compared unless one is trying to illustrate how ridiculous an individual's rebuttal was.
 
Hilary should be in prison right now haha... Give her a day or 2 and she will change her mind on this like she does with everything

Ban guns and only the bad guys will have them
 
Allybeboba said:
...It always seems the ones that are the LOUDEST in a crowd are the minority...
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Do you have an issue with this Ally? Minority groups voicing their opinions?
You have been arguing for the legitimacy and importance of the Second Amendment quite adamantly in this thread.
Would you also be a champion for freedom of speech, freedom to organize and protest, etc?
Is one more vital than the other for the health of American democracy?

If you haven't read much on the topic, I would suggest googling "Minority rights, Majority rule" for any number of essays or books based on this key component of democracy.
 
Allybeboba said:
That is a very valid point, nevertheless, many other objects are created specifically to hurt, maim, or kill and there is very little, if any, fuss on the restrictions on them.
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Which ones for example?
Allybeboba said:
It always seems the ones that are the LOUDEST in a crowd are the minority. And I don’t mean race, I mean minority. The overwhelming majority of Americans are probably fine with the laws the way they are now. But you have those few blowhards that want to speak for everyone, and say that “my world was torn apart because of muslims”.
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One word changed, and suddenly it sounds like a desscription of Trump.

Jokes aside, a lot of deaths pr. year in the US are gun related, and some might even have been avoided if guns were more regulated than they are now, if you are "unaffected" by that, I dont know what to say.
 
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