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Personally I don't care but i'm sure some of my team are annoyed they're not getting any recognition after all their hardwork and performance
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Personally I don't care but i'm sure some of my team are annoyed they're not getting any recognition after all their hardwork and performance
Solipsist
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Stubs
Vianco
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Kancer
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Harvestlord
Baked
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Oi
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[MENTION=10007]Shock hunter[/MENTION] clearly this is me
Allybeboba
Legend
These list are popularity contests. You know that, I know that, we all know that... No need to get your panties in a wad for not making this month's/weeks Homecoming court. You may make the next one.
Even some of my toons have shown up on these lists. Only because they did not know it was me... Kek...
Solipsist
They/Them
However in a premade setting, healing boards are EVERYTHING! Almost all premades have an opening mid clash, after which the team that loses that mid-fight tries to regroup at their gy and push out, and reach their FC. The most important thing, is the fact that for a very large percentage of the match, all three healers on a team are within 40 yards of each other. Yes there will be some situations where the healers are split, but it is usually rare, except for a healer sitting back with a high stack FC.
Obviously, if horde is smashing alliance into their graveyard, then the alliance healers will have much more healing done than horde healers. However, the amount of healing done by the three healers on a specific faction is a great indicator of the healer's reaction speed and prehealing ability. If you have two rshamans on a team, simply compare the healing output, dispels (offensive and defensive), and interrupts. If you have two mistweavers, straight healing output is a good indicator, but also look at overhealing done, and what % of their total healing is done by enveloping mist. For priests, healing is obviously an indicator, but also look at what % of their healing is done by bubble ( assuming you have 2 priests, pug setting). If the priest is putting in work with their flash heal and penance, and saving the bubbles for when they need them, then they are doing a good job.
TL;DR Meters do matter, but looking at recount is useful as well. Meters are a bad way to compare healers on opposite factions, but a great tool to differentiate between same-faction healers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI
Laurenti
Legend
You said so your self that % healing done by bubble is an indicator of priest skill, and that recount (an advanced healing meter) will show you. True it will not show up on a wsg scoreboard
Solipsist
They/Them
You said so your self that % healing done by bubble is an indicator of priest skill, and that recount (an advanced healing meter) will show you. True it will not show up on a wsg scoreboard
When the fuck did I say that lmao. Healing charts don't mean shit. I would rather have shit healing and keep my team alive by predicting burst, than getting 3-0'd and having top scoreboard heals.
Solipsist
They/Them
Yea I'd like one of Thomas the tank engine, thanks.
Laurenti
Legend
You are implying that if a priest is spamming bubbles to top charts, and putting weakened soul debuffs on his entire team at full health, then he is a bad priest (I agree with this 100 %)
On the counter, if a priest is saving his bubble for when his team really needs it, pumping out massive heals with his penance and flash heal, and prehealing like a wizard, then he is doing his job.
TL;DR if a priest's bubble is 70% of their healing, we have a problem. If it is 20 - 30 % and they are still putting out numbers, then they are doing work with their prehealing.
(Not exact numbers, I don't play priest, but you get the idea)
Allybeboba
Legend
Oh lawd!! Here we go talking about topping meters in recount while in a Battleground.
You should not simply use healing numbers as a metric as to whom is the "better" healer.
In addition, recount is flawed in a Battleground setting as it only gathers information in a certain radius, not the entire map. So it will always have whomever is gathering the information's data. But it may or may not have the rest of the field's data at any given point. Therefore, the data is flawed.
You should not simply use healing numbers as a metric as to whom is the "better" healer.
In addition, recount is flawed in a Battleground setting as it only gathers information in a certain radius, not the entire map. So it will always have whomever is gathering the information's data. But it may or may not have the rest of the field's data at any given point. Therefore, the data is flawed.
The Saint
I won't like you
They don't get it and they never will. They only care about numbers. That's why you see so called community leaders, afking to pad meaningless stats no one cares about but them.
save your breath, there's better things in life to use it on.
The Saint
I won't like you
These list are popularity contests. You know that, I know that, we all know that... No need to get your panties in a wad for not making this month's/weeks Homecoming court. You may make the next one.
Even some of my toons have shown up on these lists. Only because they did not know it was me... Kek...
It's funny when that happens. Stubs was telling me once how useless I was. while in the next thread telling me how good my alt was...
Double post and proud.
Laurenti
Legend
K, hypothetical example.
Rshaman #1 and rshaman #2 are both healers on alliance, in a 10v10 premade.
The opening midfight happens, and alliance wins the midfight, pushing it towards horde's gy. No one has died. We take a look at meters then.
Rsham #1 has done 35k healing, with 5k overhealing.
Rsham #2 has done 15k healing, with 20k overhealing.
Right there, we can see that Rsham #1 can predict burst, pre-heal, and/or react faster than Rsham #2 .
For overhealing specifically, it doesn't matter how much of the BG the two shamans are apart, because their ratio of healing to overhealing will always tell a lot, no matter how long you are near a healer.
For healing output in general, healing done isn't a great method of comparison, but it is still useful. Assuming that one resto shaman isn't left solo to defend a high stack FC while the other resto shaman is healing a midfight, then healing done (on the BG board not recount) will still be very informative, as both shamans will generally be near each other, moving around the map with a midfight. I am not saying that one rsham might not fall 5-10k behind in healing because they broke off to catch a moving FC, but if a healer is being smashed in healing by a large margin by a healer of the same class in a premade setting, then it is a solid indicator of the skill of the two healers. Obviously there will be exceptions/other things to look at, such as one shaman might be dispelling/purging/shearing and playing more aggressively while the other shaman is pumping out heals, or one of the two disc priests might be pumping out frontline damage.
Also what % of a healer's total healing each spell makes up is a very important thing to look at. (at least for MW and disc, not as much for rshams, and no idea for hpally/rdruid, but they aren't used in premades for healing). If a mistweaver's enveloping mist is only consisting of 20% of their total healing, then they are doing something wrong, and they should probably look at their chi management for ways to improve their healing output. As I mentioned earlier, if a disc is doing 60-70% of their total healing with PW:shield, then they are just bubble spamming and wasting weakened soul debuffs when they are not needed, and should be flash healing and penancing more
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The Saint
I won't like you
K, hypothetical example.
Rshaman #1 and rshaman #2 are both healers on alliance, in a 10v10 premade.
The opening midfight happens, and alliance wins the midfight, pushing it towards horde's gy. No one has died. We take a look at meters then.
Rsham #1 has done 35k healing, with 5k overhealing.
Rsham #2 has done 15k healing, with 20k overhealing.
Right there, we can see that Rsham #1 can predict burst, pre-heal, and/or react faster than Rsham #2 .
For overhealing specifically, it doesn't matter how much of the BG the two shamans are apart, because their ratio of healing to overhealing will always tell a lot, no matter how long you are near a healer.
For healing output in general, healing done isn't a great method of comparison, but it is still useful. Assuming that one resto shaman isn't left solo to defend a high stack FC while the other resto shaman is healing a midfight, then recount is going to be extremely accurate, as both shamans will generally be near each other, moving around the map with a midfight. I am not saying that one rsham might not fall 5-10k behind in healing because they broke off to catch a moving FC, but if a healer is being smashed in healing by a large margin by a healer of the same class in a premade setting, then it is a solid indicator of the skill of the two healers. Obviously there will be exceptions/other things to look at, such as one shaman might be dispelling/purging/shearing and playing more aggressively while the other shaman is pumping out heals, or one of the two disc priests might be pumping out frontline damage.
Also what % of a healer's total healing each spell makes up is a very important thing to look at. (at least for MW and disc, not as much for rshams, and no idea for hpally/rdruid, but they aren't used in premades for healing). If a mistweaver's enveloping mist is only consisting of 20% of their total healing, then they are doing something wrong, and they should probably look at their chi management for ways to improve their healing output. As I mentioned earlier, if a disc is doing 60-70% of their total healing with PW:shield, then they are just bubble spamming and wasting weakened soul debuffs when they are not needed, and should be flash healing and penancing more
it means in that encounter healer 2 was slacking, being focused, shearing and or dispelling, or as simple as the people in his range was taking less dmg. And please explain how you waste weakened soul?
Allybeboba
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Perhaps it was #2 assignment to keep a particular person(s) alive. Not the entire team. That is why you have group healer assignments and you have solo(FC) heals assigned. Naturally, the healer that is assigned to a solo or a dual spot will have a higher overhealing amount. As they are concentrating on being proactive as opposed to reactive.
Being a resto shaman isnt totally about "healing". It is about purging, dispell and shearing as well. Or if they even tried to CC or dispell.
Most people here just try to heal. Because only heals show up on the scoreboard. If CC or dispels were shown it would be a different matter all together.
Being a resto shaman isnt totally about "healing". It is about purging, dispell and shearing as well. Or if they even tried to CC or dispell.
Most people here just try to heal. Because only heals show up on the scoreboard. If CC or dispels were shown it would be a different matter all together.
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Laurenti
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You aren't going to have a single healer spamming healing surge on a single person (presumably a high stack FC) for an entire game. If that were the case, then that specific healer would not be very useful. Could it happen for a few minutes, near the end of a game, on a high stack fc? yes. Is one healer going to be spamming heals on a specific target for an entire midfight? not necessarily.
Yes you will have front-liners ( BM and warrior). Yes you will be pumping them with heals, but they will also be taking a lot of damage. If the midfight is occurring, there will not be very much overhealing, and any overhealing that is done will be due to the healer having a slightly slower reaction time than the other healers on his team ( who just topped off the guy the heal was originially casted on). This is even more true on Mistweavers, because knowing who to enveloping and when makes or breaks you in a midfight. A misplaced enveloping mist on a target that it was not needed on wastes 4 globals for you ( SM = .5, Surging x3 = 3, EM half global = .5).
I have hit on this with the recount stats for those purges/dispels/shears, will it be 100% accurate? no
Will it be close? Yes
Also novel idea. Compare the numbers of both shamans individual recounts. Mindblown
slacking is a problem in a premade lmao, being focused is a viable point that cannont be accurately tracked ( then again deaths are a slight showing of this, coupled with positioning) , shearing and dispelling I touched on already, I suppose you could argue the last point, but midfights are generally pretty grouped up, with a team pushing together as a whole, minus a healer hanging back with an fc, which I touched on as well.
edit: On how to waste a weakened soul debuff
We have a priest who on average does 50-60% healing with PW:S, 20-30% with flash heal, and 20% with penance.( I am making those percentages up off of the top of my head, not citing any specific player, but I have seen this in pugs and premades)
A midfight occurs at the start of the game.
A hunter on the team of our priest becomes dotted. No one has been bursted yet, or taken major damage, except for the frontliners clashing. The priest has two options here. He can use a global CD and whatever the cast time of a flash heal is to negate the dot damage and top off the hunter after the hunter has lost about as much health as a heal provides, or he can throw a bubble on the hunter and focus his attention elsewhere.
If he chooses the first option and heals the hunter after a few seconds, as long as he times his heal right and doesn't heal the hunter while something else is being hardswitched to, he should be fine.
If he chooses the second option, weakened soul is now on CD for 15 seconds, and the shield is being eaten away by dots. Lets say that the shield runs out with 6 seconds remaining on the debuff. Target caller for team enemy notices this, and calls a hard switch to the hunter. Warrior and BM charge it, along with a starsurge. The priest cannot bubble it to prevent some of that damage, because of the weakened soul debuff. The best the priest can do is throw a penance into it, but what he really needed was the ability to bubble the bursted target, which would hopefully prevent enough damage and allow his hunter to live long enough for his two rshamans ( or his rsham mistweaver) to get a cast or two into him, which would keep him up long enough for the penance (or flash heal > penance ) to top him off.
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The Saint
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yes slacking is a problem, but it happens, we've all done it we're only human. So my point is, recount and scoreboards shouldn't be taken as serious as some [most] do.
also, there's only one way a pw: shield can be wasted and that's purged. If someone has weakened soul it means 3 things, purge, they still have it active, or the absorb was used.
When I last played [mop] most shaman didn't purge, they were to busy padding meters. And some of them are on these lists.
its always been the same even in pve. You always get that "awesome" dps who's to pro to switch to adds.
edit: your point about bubbling dots is right, but it would not be a waste, just not optimal use of abilitys.
The Saint
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Yes but people don't use them for that in this bracket. Look at the screen shot threads on here and see how many people are saying "look at my awesome purgez".
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