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Saxxon said:
Really? Interesting, I really think menisi is a better rogue than priest, this is also based on communication skills.

I find it hard to argue Meni outranks Baked, BM, Kancer but i respect your thoughts Super.
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Just going to reply to this once more, since it bothers me that people might see this thread and accept Menizi as beta. These best of threads seem to make a lasting impression for people, so I'd rather clear the air now before his reputation settles. Also, I can't even remember the last time Menizi played his rogue.

Ok, here is my proof:

Few days before the cup: WFS vs Harvest. Menizi topping charts while doing good damage. Alpha+
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Few days before the cup: WFS vs JCM. Menizi doing 60k+ more healing than Baked. Alpha+
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During the cup: WFS vs SR. Menizi topping charts, yet again. Alpha+
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When it comes to playing mid, my first choice for priest will always be Menizi. His communication skills are great, he says what needs to be said and provides good insight for the team. #flock
 
Superstylin said:
Just going to reply to this once more, since it bothers me that people might see this thread and accept Menizi as beta. These best of threads seem to make a lasting impression for people, so I'd rather clear the air now before his reputation settles. Also, I can't even remember the last time Menizi played his rogue.

Ok, here is my proof:

Few days before the cup: WFS vs Harvest. Menizi topping charts while doing good damage. Alpha+
tcs3ADA.jpg


Few days before the cup: WFS vs JCM. Menizi doing 60k+ more healing than Baked. Alpha+
w7vc7CC.jpg


During the cup: WFS vs SR. Menizi topping charts, yet again. Alpha+
e3BwFfL.jpg


When it comes to playing mid, my first choice for priest will always be Menizi. His communication skills are great, he says what needs to be said and provides good insight for the team. #flock
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thats all well said and done but charts literally mean nothing half the time lmao
 
Superstylin said:
Just going to reply to this once more, since it bothers me that people might see this thread and accept Menizi as beta. These best of threads seem to make a lasting impression for people, so I'd rather clear the air now before his reputation settles. Also, I can't even remember the last time Menizi played his rogue.

Ok, here is my proof:

Few days before the cup: WFS vs Harvest. Menizi topping charts while doing good damage. Alpha+
tcs3ADA.jpg


Few days before the cup: WFS vs JCM. Menizi doing 60k+ more healing than Baked. Alpha+
w7vc7CC.jpg


During the cup: WFS vs SR. Menizi topping charts, yet again. Alpha+
e3BwFfL.jpg


When it comes to playing mid, my first choice for priest will always be Menizi. His communication skills are great, he says what needs to be said and provides good insight for the team. #flock
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Friendly bump from neap, menizi is definitely a top-tier priest. I have only had the pleasure of healing with him in a warsong for one night of games, but damn are his bubble-snipes and pre-healing are on point. The amount of times that I thought my healing target was going to die before I got to three chi, just to see that beautiful bubble pop up was wayyy to high in those few games that I played. He destroyed charts as usual, and his reaction speed was extremely solid, causing me to overheal a good bit with enveloping. The mid-fights felt so easy, just because our healing output was through the roof.

I also qued some arenas with him and bigbody after that, and afaik he is the only priest to have healed through two of the better players in the bracket, both on arms warriors, in 3s :p
 
Skeezin said:
thats all well said and done but charts literally mean nothing half the time lmao
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You are right and wrong. In a pug setting, charts mean next to nothing, because there is not always a definite midfight, one team might be contained while the other team isn't, and one healer might be escorting flag caps while another heals the containment.

However in a premade setting, healing boards are EVERYTHING! Almost all premades have an opening mid clash, after which the team that loses that mid-fight tries to regroup at their gy and push out, and reach their FC. The most important thing, is the fact that for a very large percentage of the match, all three healers on a team are within 40 yards of each other. Yes there will be some situations where the healers are split, but it is usually rare, except for a healer sitting back with a high stack FC.

Obviously, if horde is smashing alliance into their graveyard, then the alliance healers will have much more healing done than horde healers. However, the amount of healing done by the three healers on a specific faction is a great indicator of the healer's reaction speed and prehealing ability. If you have two rshamans on a team, simply compare the healing output, dispels (offensive and defensive), and interrupts. If you have two mistweavers, straight healing output is a good indicator, but also look at overhealing done, and what % of their total healing is done by enveloping mist. For priests, healing is obviously an indicator, but also look at what % of their healing is done by bubble ( assuming you have 2 priests, pug setting). If the priest is putting in work with their flash heal and penance, and saving the bubbles for when they need them, then they are doing a good job.

TL;DR Meters do matter, but looking at recount is useful as well. Meters are a bad way to compare healers on opposite factions, but a great tool to differentiate between same-faction healers :D
 
to be honest charts mean nothing given the many circumstances for each game, such as one team being more dominant and the opposing healers not having to heal as much, etc. i noticed in the screenshots menizi had several deaths as well ...

i agree with everyone else, should be in alpha, definitely not beta lol. menizi is one of those players that has a recognizable name and i would be happy to have on my team opposed to some random.

anyways, saxxon's list is biased.. so i don't know why everyone cares. as a player you should know where you stand.
 
Zeiren said:
to be honest charts mean nothing given the many circumstances for each game, such as one team being more dominant and the opposing healers not having to heal as much, etc. i noticed in the screenshots menizi had several deaths as well ...
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I agree that charts mean nothing when comparing an alliance healer and a horde healer in the same game. However, charts/recount are very informative for comparing healers on the same faction, even if you are just looking at the overhealing numbers. They show very detailed accounts of different healers' reaction speeds

Zeiren said:
as a player you should know where you stand.
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This is so true. I am not on the list, repping the #worsethanbeta , but I am not upset. I did not play in the twinkcup (which sax said was one of the criteria), yet my warsong ability has not gone straight to the shitter because of it :p
 
Never spoken to the guy in my life but I'll vouch that I think menizi is definetly a solid priest and easily top 5. Cheers for the kind words also :)
 
Alpha++

Pizza
Hunnybuns
Blueprint (Vanillamilk)
Mutando

Criteria:

Great outside the Gulch leader.
Great inside the Gulch leader.
Great individual WSG player.
Great mechanical player.

Description:

Alpha++ players are great leaders inside and outside of the Gulch. These types of players can bring a group of twinks together and make them into a dominate team. Alpha++ players get the best out of each and every one of their players inside the Gulch. They are the glue that holds a team together. Not only are they dominate leaders and make those around them better, they are individually great players - WSG wise and mechanically.


Alpha+

Curley
Grizzle
Ezeron
Kancer
Gankerixer
Wuxueyangx

Criteria:

Great inside the Gulch leader.
Great individual WSG player.
Great mechanical player.

Description:

Alpha+ players are great leaders inside of the Gulch. These players get the best out of each and every one of their players inside the Gulch. Not only are they dominate leaders and make those around them better, they are individually great players - WSG wise and mechanically.


Alpha

Maineack
Youredead
Bigmoran
Slique
Ko
Zeiren
Darkchewie
Nettie
Nature
Hardbass
Aoitsaka
Skeezin
Lukenukem
Saxxon
Flamer
Kunz
Agonist
Baked
Trashglamour
Sudowoodo
Kevikev
Revolution
Jrbigchief
Yowza
Vianco
Stubs
Nicozy
Arkant
Arudno

Criteria:

Great individual WSG player.
Great mechanical player.

Description:

Alpha players are individually great players - WSG wise and mechanically.


My ratings are pretty biased towards SR, JCM, HARVEST, GSC, and WFS. It is what it is. :)
 
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GSC - "Worst than beta"

Bolt - One of the best shamans in the bracket, Always maximising his purge and shear use, In-game one of the main shotcallers for GSC and even tends to take up the role of target calling when things are going good, A little bit low on the healing charts but with the amount of shears and purges he gets bg it doesn't really matter as overall healing doesn't separate good shamans from bad shamans. All in all Ryan is a vocal player and a great attribute to any team and GSC would be lost without him

Feddx - One of the highest mechanically skilled players on GSC, Feddx was GSC's Warrior during the TC, As a Warrior he was putting out x10 times more damage than rival Warriors which was one of the reasons GSC always won mid so hard, I know people tend to say damage isn't everything but as an Arms Warrior doing tons of dps is a huge part of being successful at the class, Filip also saved GSC's ass many times which clutch returns and i'm not sure if you guys saw his 1v5 vs JCM's fc in their gy for one of the sickest returns of the whole tournament

Stabilt - Alex is GSC's flexible mid dps players and can play basically every ranged mid damage class (Boomy/Priest/Mage/Hunter/Warlock/Shaman) and was one of the main reasons GSC was able to change comps and play different comps so easily. Alex is a scoreboard beast and has outdamaged Warriors and Boomkins before in plebmades on a Disc Priest, With Alex on our team we were also easily able to switchup and roll a double hunter comp as we had a great multiclasser like Alex, Alex is also by far one of the most reliable and consistent players on the team

Zale - Zale is GSC's main Warlock and Mage, Zale is by far the most reliable and consistent player on the team and will always do what he's told, He is 100% always hitting the target that the target caller has called to go on, Even though Zale isn't usually the biggest risk taker he made a sick play vs WFS when he blinked in a ninja'd the flag when the attempted to pass it up to gy, Zale is also only vocal when he is needed to be and doesn't ramble in TS when we're playing and only calls out cs/polys

Hardbass - In my opinion he has the brain of Grizzle and the Mechanics of Ezeron, Sadly in the TC the camera men cheated Ashley when they didn't broadcast him soloing Puemp or Zeiren how ever that doesn't mean that it didn't happen, Ashley's positioning in WSG is usually dead on and that is one of the reasons we were able to pull off our comp without a rogue, The only thing I can say Ashley needs to work on is sometimes be more vocal about were efc is but all in all Hardbass deserves Alpha+ atleast

Snack - Not much really has to be said about this guy, He was the only person to successfully pull off Mistweaver which is a hell of an achievement, Whenever someone called for lust he tended to react fast and whenever our fc called for help he peeled off fast, I also saw some clutch saves on efc with some insane single target heals from this guy

Immvp - This guy legit started fcing in the bracket 2 days before the TC started and on the first day of the TC this guy actually sucked rofl, But by the the end of the he had learned the meta and was x100 times better than he was on the Friday the TC had started, In the 2nd games vs PING andreas made a pretty sick play in tunnel and barely died after kitting from PING's base all the way to half way through mid before he died,

Fancy - Originally this guy wasn't going to play as our hunter spots were already covered, but once we heard him target calling we had to get him on BM, I swear some games were carried solely by Fancy's balls, Granted sometimes he did go a little too ham and ended up dying, but when this guy got pumped up everyone in middle dropped like flies, Whenever he called a switch it was also basically a guaranteed kill

Save - The first time I heard this guy I thought he had the voice of an angel, I'm not sure if he's the best rogue out there but he's 100% the rogue i'd want on my team, He's extremely vocal and is great at keeping tabs on the enemy team in the gultch, Personally I have great synergy with him and if he'd played more i'm 100% sure we would have been able to 2 man efcs with ease,

I'm sure this is most likely biased but I really did try to not let my emotions take over this list, I just thought that these guys deserved some recognition and I understand you can't really list players if you don't know who they are, so here they are :)
 
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Bacon1 said:
GSC - "Worst than beta"

Bolt - One of the best shamans in the bracket, Always maximising his purge and shear use, In-game one of the main shotcallers for GSC and even tends to take up the role of target calling when things are going good, A little bit low on the healing charts but with the amount of shears and purges he gets bg it doesn't really matter as overall healing doesn't separate good shamans from bad shamans. All in all Ryan is a vocal player and a great attribute to any team and GSC would be lost without him

Feddx - One of the highest mechanically skilled players on GSC, Feddx was GSC's Warrior during the TC, As a Warrior he was putting out x10 times more damage than rival Warriors which was one of the reasons GSC always won mid so hard, I know people tend to say damage isn't everything but as an Arms Warrior doing tons of dps is a huge part of being successful at the class, Filip also saved GSC's ass many times which clutch returns and i'm not sure if you guys saw his 1v5 vs JCM's fc in their gy for one of the sickest returns of the whole tournament

Stabilt - Alex is GSC's flexible mid dps players and can play basically every ranged mid damage class (Boomy/Priest/Mage/Hunter/Warlock/Shaman) and was one of the main reasons GSC was able to change comps and play different comps so easily. Alex is a scoreboard beast and has outdamaged Warriors and Boomkins before in plebmades on a Disc Priest, With Alex on our team we were also easily able to switchup and roll a double hunter comp as we had a great multiclasser like Alex, Alex is also by far one of the most reliable and consistent players on the team

Zale - Zale is GSC's main Warlock and Mage, Zale is by far the most reliable and consistent player on the team and will always do what he's told, He is 100% always hitting the target that the target caller has called to go on, Even though Zale isn't usually the biggest risk taker he made a sick play vs WFS when he blinked in a ninja'd the flag when the attempted to pass it up to gy, Zale is also only vocal when he is needed to be and doesn't ramble in TS when we're playing and only calls out cs/polys

Hardbass - In my opinion he has the brain of Grizzle and the Mechanics of Ezeron, Sadly in the TC the camera men cheated Ashley when they didn't broadcast him soloing Puemp or Zeiren how ever that doesn't mean that it didn't happen, Ashley's positioning in WSG is usually dead on and that is one of the reasons we were able to pull off our comp without a rogue, The only thing I can say Ashley needs to work on is sometimes be more vocal about were efc is but all in all Hardbass deserves Alpha+ atleast

Snack - Not much really has to be said about this guy, He was the only person to successfully pull off Mistweaver which is a hell of an achievement, Whenever someone called for lust he tended to react fast and whenever our fc called for help he peeled off fast, I also saw some clutch saves on efc with some insane single target heals from this guy

Immvp - This guy legit started fcing in the bracket 2 days before the TC started and on the first day of the TC this guy actually sucked rofl, But by the the end of the he had learned the meta and was x100 times better than he was on the Friday the TC had started, In the 2nd games vs PING andreas made a pretty sick play in tunnel and barely died after kitting from PING's base all the way to half way through mid before he died,

Fancy - Originally this guy wasn't going to play as our hunter spots were already covered, but once we heard him target calling we had to get him on BM, I swear some games were carried solely by Fancy's balls, Granted sometimes he did go a little too ham and ended up dying, but when this guy got pumped up everyone in middle dropped like flies, Whenever he called a switch it was also basically a guaranteed kill

Save - The first time I heard this guy I thought he had the voice of an angel, I'm not sure if he's the best rogue out there but he's 100% the rogue i'd want on my team, He's extremely vocal and is great at keeping tabs on the enemy team in the gultch, Personally I have great synergy with him and if he'd played more i'm 100% sure we would have been able to 2 man efcs with ease,

I'm sure this is most likely biased but I really did try to not let my emotions take over this list, I just thought that these guys deserved some recognition and I understand you can't really list players if you don't know who they are, so here they are :)
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Well hopefully these players will receive some recognition, people shouldn't honestly take any of the twink rating threads to heart. Everyone always has something to improve on and yeah it's nice to see what some people value the game play you show them, but other than that it shouldn't mean all that much to people.
 
Superstylin said:
Just going to reply to this once more, since it bothers me that people might see this thread and accept Menizi as beta. These best of threads seem to make a lasting impression for people, so I'd rather clear the air now before his reputation settles. Also, I can't even remember the last time Menizi played his rogue.

Ok, here is my proof:

Few days before the cup: WFS vs Harvest. Menizi topping charts while doing good damage. Alpha+
tcs3ADA.jpg


Few days before the cup: WFS vs JCM. Menizi doing 60k+ more healing than Baked. Alpha+
w7vc7CC.jpg


During the cup: WFS vs SR. Menizi topping charts, yet again. Alpha+
e3BwFfL.jpg


When it comes to playing mid, my first choice for priest will always be Menizi. His communication skills are great, he says what needs to be said and provides good insight for the team. #flock
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Honestly like people say, charts don't mean jack shit, especially in those games. If I wanted to be a faggot and disengage everytime a moonfire hits me I would have 0 deaths, but I don't give a shit , and when it comes to winning I will mongo the fuck in for the win. Basing healing on charts is even more bullshit because I guarantee you like most priests in this bracket he is just bubbling on cd, any idiot can do that. I think Menizi is decent but he isn't near the level of a top tier priest like Yowza or even the second tier of Kancer.
 
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