Differences in character quality between AP Alliance and Horde

Lavaza

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I have been on alliance for a pretty long time now (about october) and after my brother and I rolled horde characters I have a question that's been itching to be asked.

Why does horde have more steady players that have been there for a long time while alliance seems to get a new "batch" of players every other month (with a handful of exceptions). Every other week I log onto my character I don't recognize one name.

Now just to be clear, I don't want this to turn into a Horde versus Alliance thread, just a discussion about the players on each side.
 
It's a very good question, I'm interested to see people's responses.

I think one of the biggest factors is the ease with which alliance gets their gear. On a Horde char, you farm for weeks (or months!) for items like LFH; I think this inherently gives your character more value and sentiment. Why should I care about a character that I geared in a week of casual play when I have a character I've poured months into that's gear-wise on even ground?

Additionally, I think for whatever reason AP H has attracted a group of players who are more community-minded, such as Yde and Rhae and so on. While of course not all of our members are that awesome, there's a close group of friends who log on to see one another. That's definitely the kind of community that you continue to log on for.

And of course.. there's queue times! As a hordie I can log on for 2m to get into a game. Shorter queue times support more log-on, chat real quick, do a bg, log off playstyle than the experience of waiting 10m to play. While of course Goldshire is there, I think alliance people simply get bored waiting and that leads to more trolling in chat, which leads to a less friendly community.

I don't know that your question is entirely with merit though; I haven't logged on to AP A in about a month - prior to that, though, I often saw familiar names.

Just my two cents. Sorry it turned into a wall of text!
 
True. Since the WSG CTA i noticed the queue times have dropped like rocks (6-8 minutes).

Im sure hordies are laughing at how "low" our queue times are, haha.
 
Deleted post cause it didn't really address OP and coulda easily started ally vs. horde debate. All I'd like to say is keep switching to horde! :) more competitive games and way quicker queue times. faster now then they were in CTA lol. *crosses fingers queues stay this way til next week*
 
Its random. Different people roll alliance and horde. Some swap factions, some remain loyal, some stay, some quit.

You can have all the threads you want about who the top players are but longevity plays a big part.
 
Who knows. I haven't seen barely anyone when I log on to my Rogue Exghost. Its like the older generation vanished, or rerolled factions, and left the AP alliance with some fresh blood. I would like to come on and see people chatting, but for one. I have been Alliance since I was 15(18 now) and I can't comprehend actually playing a horde twink full time. Its just feels odd... Anyway, I don't have hard feelings for the people who left (excluding a couple of idiots I won't name because they know who they are), and I hope that MoP will at least bring them back to their already geared toons to see whats up, or whether to try something new... I may suck it up and play a Paladin on Horde.... /maybe/.... we'll see.
 
Oh. I'd also say that it's due to Horde's horrible win rates at the start of F2P. The only way they won games was in groups. Playing together consistently definitely also builds a connected community.

I was about to reply with just ''Duh, there is a community for'', but i have to agree with your first post and gearing for Horde. While Alliance can just herpderp gear with Stockade and Blackfathom Deeps runs (Duskwood for Ello's/Sparkmetal), we have to quest and search almost every inch of the 15-19 and 20-24 areas and not to forget we have to rely on luck for our BiS hat.

I'd say Horde definitely have a longer lifespan than Alliance characters due to the simple fact that Horde has to grind content for the best gear (like RoP or Magician's Mantle), Alliance however only have Bg's left to grind for Honor and Heirlooms.
 
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This question goes back many many years, its not something that's only apparent in the F2P bracket, but across the entire level ranges as a whole - way back in Vanilla, to BC, to Wotlk and Cata.

The difference in population and faction player quality still has a significant difference even after Blizzard introduced Paid Faction Change.

I want to point towards The Daedalus Project (The Daedalus Project: Introduction: The RL Demographics of World of Warcraft), a study conducted by Nick Yee in 2005 to get a statistical analysis on the demographics of WoW players. A VERY INTERESTING READ, I think anyone who's ever played WoW should read through the study and check out the graphs/charts - they give a huge insight onto our community/playerbase and why people pick certain races/classes/factions. Even though the study was conducted in Vanilla, I think many of the findings are still true to this very day.

When Blizzard abolished the Battlegroup system and made BGs world-wide, it only increased the oversaturation of the BG population by Alliance even more. Considering a lot of realms from Vanilla/BC already had 2:1 or some cases even 3:1 ratios of Alliance:Horde, you can see how the pool of players on Alliance became overwhelmingly huge compared to Horde-side.

There is a 11-page section devoted to the findings of Alliance VS Horde demographics, attempting to provide reasoning for why Horde tended to win more BGs than Alliance (Back in Vanilla). Some of the explanations the data (including responses from surveyed WoW players) was able to give:

The study found that some of the main reasons many new players roll Alliance:
- Most people want to be the "good guy", they want to be the human, the elf..... not the ugly Orc/Undead/Horde which are I guess indirectly implied as the "bad guys"
- Alliance races are somewhat more "roleplay friendly", see above - they are the "Heroes" of the Lore, so to speak
- Younger players are attracted to picking Night Elfs/pretty races (back in Vanilla before the advent of Belfs)

Alliance Attracts NoobsMany respondents argued that players new to MMOs were more likely to choose Alliance because the character models more readily resonate with the “good guys” as portrayed in movies such as Lord of the Rings (i.e., human knights in armor and elven archers). And because new MMO players have less experience in raiding and coordination, the Alliance suffers from this in BGs.

WoW brought a LOT of new players to MMORPGs and many just went straight to Alliance because most people do not want naturally to be a bad guy. Experienced MMORPGers (who know that game/class/combat mechanics must be mastered, browse forums for tactics/add-ons, use TeamSpeak, etc.) are past that stage of 'I'll be a good guy and defend the Alliance against the Empire/Horde). Most, if not all, Horde I know come from that pool of vets. (WoW, M, 38)

Reasons why people on Horde pick that faction
- They want to look intimidating/badass, Horde players also tend to be more PVP-inclined (which is evidenced throughout the entire history of WoW - most of the top Gladiators/PVPers are Hordeside is one example, and even before Arenas, most of the top World PVPers back in the day were Horde. There are exceptions of course, like Swifty etc)
- Horde toons look fierce
- Back in Vanilla, when Shamans/Paladins were faction-exclusive, Shaman was cited in the study as a better offensive class - so this could have influenced more hardcore PVPers to pick Horde over Alliance

Players who prefer the Horde score significantly higher on the Advancement, Competition, and Mechanics motivations than players who prefer the Alliance. In other words, players who prefer the Horde tend to be more achievement-driven, more likely to enjoy provoking and challenging each other, and more likely to be min-maxers. On the other hand, players who prefer the Alliance tend to score higher on the Role-Playing and Customization motivations than those players who prefer the Horde.

See here for the discussion on Alliance VS Horde demographics: The Daedalus Project: Does Horde PWN Alliance in PvP? A Baker's Dozen of Possible Reasons

There is plenty more than what I cited, but I tried to find the relevant things relating to your question.

I highly urge all of you to check out the full report, its really quite fascinating stuff (to me at least, I'm a bit of a nerd).

As for how this applies to F2P Alliance/Horde population, I would reckon that many of new F2Ps are either new to MMOs/new to WoW and default to Alliance for the reasons above. And ex-WoW P2P players who are switching to F2P will probably make the decision based on an existing community, or based on their prior experience (I know I chose to roll Horde on AP for the shorter BG queues based on my P2P experience).
 
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[...]players who prefer the Horde tend to be more achievement-driven[...]

I just want to point out that the author means horde is achievement-driven, as in improving themselves. Just look at the authors of the f2p guides... how many of them are horde vs alliance?
 
Who knows. I haven't seen barely anyone when I log on to my Rogue Exghost. Its like the older generation vanished, or rerolled factions, and left the AP alliance with some fresh blood. I would like to come on and see people chatting, but for one. I have been Alliance since I was 15(18 now) and I can't comprehend actually playing a horde twink full time. Its just feels odd... Anyway, I don't have hard feelings for the people who left (excluding a couple of idiots I won't name because they know who they are), and I hope that MoP will at least bring them back to their already geared toons to see whats up, or whether to try something new... I may suck it up and play a Paladin on Horde.... /maybe/.... we'll see.

Ehh , i hear you, thinking of rerolling a be lock come mop
The only ppl that are semi conversational, are mindyy lokoe, insects, and a few others
And due to my schedjule, i almost never see them online
 
I was about to reply with just ''Duh, there is a community for'', but i have to agree with your first post and gearing for Horde. While Alliance can just herpderp gear with Stockade and Blackfathom Deeps runs (Duskwood for Ello's/Sparkmetal), we have to quest and search almost every inch of the 15-19 and 20-24 areas and not to forget we have to rely on luck for our BiS hat.

I'd say Horde definitely have a longer lifespan than Alliance characters due to the simple fact that Horde has to grind content for the best gear (like RoP or Magician's Mantle), Alliance however only have Bg's left to grind for Honor and Heirlooms.

You're not allowed to make sense fran!
 
This question goes back many many years, its not something that's only apparent in the F2P bracket, but across the entire level ranges as a whole - way back in Vanilla, to BC, to Wotlk and Cata.

I want to point towards The Daedalus Project (The Daedalus Project: Introduction: The RL Demographics of World of Warcraft), a study conducted by Nick Yee in 2005 to get a statistical analysis on the demographics of WoW players. A VERY INTERESTING READ, I think anyone who's ever played WoW should read through the study and check out the graphs/charts - they give a huge insight onto our community/playerbase and why people pick certain races/classes/factions. Even though the study was conducted in Vanilla, I think many of the findings are still true to this very day.

Great read, Purse. As a student interested in psych/anthro this is some super interesting stuff.

The RL gender / in game class section is fascinating. And just throwing this out there, the "Alliance attracts noobs" is a player response, not a hypothesis of his. In his actual data he shows that Horde has a slightly younger average age than Alliance.

Thanks again for posting this, I've read through a considerable amount in a very short time already :p

I just want to point out that the author means horde is achievement-driven, as in improving themselves. Just look at the authors of the f2p guides... how many of them are horde vs alliance?

Awesome, awesome point.
 
Personally I have felt that the Alliance is lacking in team efforts - which saddens me because my main from when I started playing in Vanilla is an Alliance Paladin.
I always find myself back on my F2P horde twinks - Leviathan and Skary.
 
Alliance:
-Prettier characters/Human race/"good guys" are attractive to twelve year olds.
-Ease of gearing
-Win most BGs
-Have better environment/feels more like "home"

Horde:
-Some ugly races (Not to me)
-Hard to gear
-Lose most bgs
-Has a more darker environment
-Still has twelve year olds. (I have the slight feeling that Franciska, Felix, etc. are below the age of 14)
 
Horde:
-Has a more darker environment
-Still has twelve year olds. (I have the slight feeling that Franciska, Felix, etc. are below the age of 14)
Idk man durotars pretty bright to me. and Elywnn's covered by those annoying trees
 

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