this is an odd thing to hang your argument on considering I think @lofi pretty much nailed that its likely an automated process that looks at a number of intertwined factors
Is this really bannable??
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There could be a lot of reasons. One we have to understand that Blizzard bans in waves for actions that may have occurred over past several weeks. If you ran your twink in TW dungeons with randoms (especially if you ran off ahead of the group and glory pulled) it could have easily lead to player reports for hacking/cheating. If you didn't run with randoms then it may be multi-box detection (e.g. it sounds like your windows were stacked and mouse wheel could have broadcast events to both clients unintentionally).
Azeroh
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Sure! I agree with lofi. We talked on discord after the xpoff post, and agreed on this.
I'm replying to this
the top quote is indeed me saying it would be bannable. After all, its a software set up that streamlines the multiboxing process which is explicitly against the TOS per the blue post we've both posted.
the second is me making a point that a lot of people will claim they were just innocently playing normally while knowing full well they were engaged in... "creative uses of game mechanics" whatever those specific game mechanics are
bigpappa
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Just out of curiosity and possible future reference, do you mean you somehow run each wow with a separate icon on the taskbar?
I'm on windows 11 and it usually runs like this:
I did always have the mouse scroll setting on and I did use it on my second monitor to scroll websites while wow was open BUT i dont have any mousewheel bindings, ever.
theres a whole blue post that you and i have both linked that says "any software or hardware set up that streamlines multiboxing in any way"
like, i dunno what else to tell you?
cletus
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This... sounds plausible.
The example I'm thinking of is it used to be popular to have an auto-follow weak aura, even as late as Classic. People would use it to basically do AFK boosting in SM. The booster would basically use it to put people on auto-follow and could then lead them around, zone them out, reset, zone back in and rinse and repeat.
Blizzard ended up banning this kind of thing as unauthorized botting eg Do not use the !follow WeakAura, you can catch a ban.
Blizzard's position seems to be that any addons on weak auras can't automate (or broadcast) inputs. So, as one example, there are Pet Battle Scripts that reduce your activity to repeatedly pressing "Auto" ("A" key usually). This is fine because you've replaced N inputs of 1-3 with N inputs of A.
So if the game didn't have auto-loot, an auto-loot weak aura might be considered "botting". Interestingly, addons like Leatrix allow you to auto-accept quests. Wouldn't that be "botting" by this same standard because the game doesn't natively provide this functionality? Yet Blizzard would have to ban half the player base if they pulled that trigger. So none of this is really consistent.
So auto-follow removes the need for user input and is thus "botting" (by Blizzard's definition). So I can see the same argument for auto-accepting roles or auto-accepting queue pops.
IF (and this is all "IF" because we're speculating on the latest policy enforcement) this is the case, a ban (particularly a permaban) is (IMHO) overly harsh. A change in how policy is interpreted and enforced should always be preceded by a warning to affected users saying "hey, don't do this anymore".
No, it doesn't matter how they show up on the task bar. What I mean is that I run them in non-fullscreen windowed mode and tile the window side by side when multiboxing. I make the main window a bit larger than the followers and sometimes spread them over two monitors.
I'm not certain if it actually matters if you have mouse wheel keybinds or not. Sending the mouse inputs to multiple clients at same time may be enough to get flagged. More information can be found here:
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bigpappa
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Oh I see, I was just running mine as windowed fullscreen
Azeroh
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I did some research, and it's true that Blizzard fucked up with the follow WA/addon.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/API_FollowUnit
"
This function is restricted.
#hwevent - This requires a hardware event i.e. keyboard/mouse input.
"
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/autofollow
"Warning: Blizzard have broken addons being able to use /follow because of dungeon boosters so this no longer works, I can't fix it sorry. :/"
I presume they either fucked up and never wanted this to be ran through addons or as the description says they made the change because of boosters.
In regards to the ban, I think there were probably a lot of false bans for botting going around to people boosting their toons (possibly targeting people using follow). I say this because of this quote, "Did a little research and others have posted about permanent bans after using the WA, along with a retraction of the ban upon appeal with no response given.".
I am just purely going off the post itself, I don't know the context behind this so I could be wrong and they just banned people who used the addon/WA to follow even if they aren't being boosted. But I do think the bans weren't because of the WA, it was boosting stuff. What they did do was *fix* it by adding a restriction on the function.
You do realize that WA's/addons are allowed in AWC? And that in most cases of players hitting 3000+ is due to the ladder being completely inflated?
Sorry to hear about the bans in this thread.
Unfortunately Blizz is in fact the Judge - Jury and Executioner…….
They alone wield the Ban Hammer……
My advice would be to keep pursuing them until u stop getting a DeepSeek response. But it’s a balancing act….. if u go too hard u will lose…….
My thoughts are that those banned will likely be more because complaints have been registered against them. Might be best to park up the 11’s for a while in public…… ok with other twinks and yourself, but don’t bring them out in public dungeons.
Wish u guys all the best of luck.
Unfortunately Blizz is in fact the Judge - Jury and Executioner…….
They alone wield the Ban Hammer……
My advice would be to keep pursuing them until u stop getting a DeepSeek response. But it’s a balancing act….. if u go too hard u will lose…….
My thoughts are that those banned will likely be more because complaints have been registered against them. Might be best to park up the 11’s for a while in public…… ok with other twinks and yourself, but don’t bring them out in public dungeons.
Wish u guys all the best of luck.
i have at least 4 wow screens on at the same time on each monitor .. while watching movies, listening to music, or scrolling dating sites at the same time for the past 20 years .. nothing happens to me
bigpappa
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I'm out of ideas and at this point it could have been anything. Doubt I'll ever find out and now afraid of going again because next time I might end up banned on my main account, and that would seriously mess me up
why would you want to risk it ? why not just go do few extra steps ? i run my own 5 man dungeons .. carrying my own alts, the only thing i do is put them on "follow", stop "follow", or whole team stay far away from boss, main kill boss and everyone come forward to loot .. gotta manually click everything .. a lot of extra keys to hit, but there is no risk at all
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