WotF = worthless
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Crilicilyn
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yeah, this isn't a biggie, destro locks who are geared from 49 and on should be able to 2 shot you. At 80 in my crappy pvp gear and at 49 waaaaay back in 2.1 everyone was 2-3 shottable and still is (i'm not counting resilience into this). Breaking fear isn't a big deal anyways, they've nerfed it so damn much since vanilla.
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ArthurianKnight said:
i did some testing yesterday, 33 warlock vs my 36 BE paladin. nether player has a PVP trinket.
my BE has same 2% shadow spell resist as UD, i threw up "shadow resistance aura" (+30 shadow spell resist.) i believe majority of fear type spells are shadow spell types? btw, my BE also has a cloak with +5 all resist.
during the fights, was feared/refeared 3 times on avg even with +2% shadow spell and +35 shadow spell resist.....did not get one "resist" on any on the warlock fear spells.
value wise....switching to ret-aura seemed to do more damage to the lock, then shadow resist aura negated damage by the lock.
so unless they make +15 spell resist to be +15% fear resist, it would not be OP compared to a paladins +30 shadow spell resist aura. then it comes back to the math since most won't know what % that +15 resist actually does at various levels. at 80, +15 resist wouldn't even be noticeable percentage wise
thats because you dont understand blizzard engine then...
thats what i was saying, you are doing maths and thats "NOT" what blizzard intended you to do.
the 2% does help you, what you are experiencing is just bad luck !
the same goes for any chance on it. crusader for an exemple on me which just barely ever popped, yet my friend had it popping every god damn minutes. that was just bad luck on my part and nothing else.
same happens here. 2% is making a real difference. but to be worth it you need a lot more of it to be worth it, just hit rating at 80, we have talents that gives us 3%... 3% is like nothing at 80, yet we see the talent as a necessity. why ? it is strickly nothing worth it right ?
2% shadow resist, means you are 2% better at resisting, warlock fears and dots. priest fear and shadow word pain. to me that is still better then having 0% shadow resist. there are no maths here, pure basic know how. 2% will always be better then 0% and thats a fact.
i do agree that in game things might not seem to make a difference. but thats exactly what happens even at high levels. haste for exemple barely ever makes a difference at high level until you have 500 for the whole 20% and even there in game its hard to see the diff.
but saying Undead sucks badly because it loses wotf is just purely idiotic, first and foremost because it is not losing it at all.
as for humans, then i dont remember when it was changed back to 2m. so yeah i could be wrong there, i don't play humans. but i know they were 3m at one point. in all cases i'm quite sure humans cannot use their trinkets with the ability. that means that even with this nerf, wotf still stays better then every man for itself.
45 seconds might break your game breaking ability. but it not the end of the worlkd for its only a wait of 45 seconds. then you have another trinket. and to proove that many time luck is more necessary then trinkets... i once was feared, i activate ability, i got feared by the priest, activated trinket and got stunned by paladins !
how has my both abilities ever been usefull ?
so game breaking i really dont think so. usefull, yes... game breaking, not really !
there is one thing i'd agree on what you said though...
blizzard either have to standardise racials, like give equivalent to all classes of each factions or remove them all together to solve the trouble.
i remember the time only gnomes had slow resistance.
man we're we bragging about that sprinting unstoppable rogue who was like the best FC.
thats what i was saying, you are doing maths and thats "NOT" what blizzard intended you to do.
the 2% does help you, what you are experiencing is just bad luck !
the same goes for any chance on it. crusader for an exemple on me which just barely ever popped, yet my friend had it popping every god damn minutes. that was just bad luck on my part and nothing else.
same happens here. 2% is making a real difference. but to be worth it you need a lot more of it to be worth it, just hit rating at 80, we have talents that gives us 3%... 3% is like nothing at 80, yet we see the talent as a necessity. why ? it is strickly nothing worth it right ?
2% shadow resist, means you are 2% better at resisting, warlock fears and dots. priest fear and shadow word pain. to me that is still better then having 0% shadow resist. there are no maths here, pure basic know how. 2% will always be better then 0% and thats a fact.
i do agree that in game things might not seem to make a difference. but thats exactly what happens even at high levels. haste for exemple barely ever makes a difference at high level until you have 500 for the whole 20% and even there in game its hard to see the diff.
but saying Undead sucks badly because it loses wotf is just purely idiotic, first and foremost because it is not losing it at all.
as for humans, then i dont remember when it was changed back to 2m. so yeah i could be wrong there, i don't play humans. but i know they were 3m at one point. in all cases i'm quite sure humans cannot use their trinkets with the ability. that means that even with this nerf, wotf still stays better then every man for itself.
45 seconds might break your game breaking ability. but it not the end of the worlkd for its only a wait of 45 seconds. then you have another trinket. and to proove that many time luck is more necessary then trinkets... i once was feared, i activate ability, i got feared by the priest, activated trinket and got stunned by paladins !
how has my both abilities ever been usefull ?
so game breaking i really dont think so. usefull, yes... game breaking, not really !
there is one thing i'd agree on what you said though...
blizzard either have to standardise racials, like give equivalent to all classes of each factions or remove them all together to solve the trouble.
i remember the time only gnomes had slow resistance.
man we're we bragging about that sprinting unstoppable rogue who was like the best FC.
Crilicilyn
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3m...? i remember the day they nerfed and yes i still to this point consider this a nerf, my perception from 5 lvls to a constant 1 lvl. GIMMEITBACKNAOSSOICANARENAW/OUTSUBSPEC AGAIN YAAAAAAAAY. lol wut? anyways for reals i dont recall it being 3 ever and i don't c it as 3 on PTR atm
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Blizzard balance the game around 80, it was overpowered in arena at 80 end of story.
To all the people who are now qq'ing "omg humans ;<<<" im pretty sure at Blizzcon they said all the racials were getting updates, some removed etc in Cataclysm. If anyone had a source for this would be nice.
To all the people who are now qq'ing "omg humans ;<<<" im pretty sure at Blizzcon they said all the racials were getting updates, some removed etc in Cataclysm. If anyone had a source for this would be nice.
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Emfh
since the WOTLK pre-patch, EMFH has had a 2 min CD since it was given as a rebuff for perception which had way more than +5 stealth detect for 20 sec.
there was QQ concerning the 2 min CD at lvl-1 thru 69 was OP compared to other classes having to hunker down and earn a PVP trinket with a 5 min CD.
blizz's focus at that time was still on 70's with 80's coming in a month. they weren't going to make a racial that changes based on lvls. there was a comment that having this EFMH on a 3 minute racial would interfere with other CDs mechanics. yet a 3 min CD isn't a issue when it comes to trolls?
since the WOTLK pre-patch, EMFH has had a 2 min CD since it was given as a rebuff for perception which had way more than +5 stealth detect for 20 sec.
there was QQ concerning the 2 min CD at lvl-1 thru 69 was OP compared to other classes having to hunker down and earn a PVP trinket with a 5 min CD.
blizz's focus at that time was still on 70's with 80's coming in a month. they weren't going to make a racial that changes based on lvls. there was a comment that having this EFMH on a 3 minute racial would interfere with other CDs mechanics. yet a 3 min CD isn't a issue when it comes to trolls?
Crilicilyn
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man this post just keeps on going on and on, and yeah I'm fairly certain blizz mentioned tht they are changing the races come cata, but supposedly tht'll be the least of our worries too.
oh well not worth talking to short sighted people anyway...
may you guys be prooved wrong over the months.
undeads still have good abilities and even with this nerf, they are still good to take.
thats all there is to it. and its not because you say otherwise that its true or a fact.
jailbot, go to hell with your little kid attitude toward me.
i could care less about how much time you will troll about my posts.
may you guys be prooved wrong over the months.
undeads still have good abilities and even with this nerf, they are still good to take.
thats all there is to it. and its not because you say otherwise that its true or a fact.
jailbot, go to hell with your little kid attitude toward me.
i could care less about how much time you will troll about my posts.
Novascotia
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