WOD 20-29 Hell yes

Donteventrii said:
NS and SB are absolutely tremendous. Zealots robe for healers as well
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Depending on what is done with spirit, Zealots Robe has the possibility of being a bit better than the BoA. I wonder if mechbuilders will scale up. If so they may worth getting if you can them cheap, same with petrolspills.

Sweetsidney
 
You are probably not very familiar with the 29 bracket. You do not understand how severe the gap is between GF'd and non-GF'd twinks at 29. The whole aspect of players having gf'd gear (like the Nail Spitter as mentioned above) ruined the bracket.

I do consider myself lucky, however, since I have a gf'd warrior (with the maraudon shield & deadmans), so I am quite excited by the idea of being able to play my 29 again but it saddens me to have to play against f2ps with a 9 lvl gap. I do hope some strong willed players will remain lvl 20 (and the p2p keep restrictions on their toons) like you said.
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There is no gap between GF and non GF twinks @ 29 (or 39, 49, ect). As someone who currently plays 29s, who has 29s with and without GF gear, I can tell you GF gear does not make much of a difference anymore (due to the significant increase in base damage/healing/health numbers since Cata). Class choice and balance play much more of a role than gear does. If you agility stack a rogue or hunter @ 29, with gear available to anyone right now, you will be OP compared to someone who just has every single GF item on his toon.

Deadman's hand is about the only GF item I would consider 'potent' compared to other currently available gear, and even DMH has limitations and drawbacks. It DRs with fears, silences, and stuns, only has a 4 second duration (meaning if it randomly procs right after you've been feared into a silence, you're going to get like 1 sec of root out of it), and only has a 5% proc chance. Sure, it procs from any attack done against you (ranged, spell, pet, melee), but it becomes weak in common situations.

It used to be amazing because it would proc without DR, freeze someone for 4 seconds, and usually buy you enough time to bandage/heal/line of sight your way out of danger, often saving people in a way that made it necessary for a 29 (and 39) twink. Now, with how strong burst damage is, players are often dead despite DMH proccing.

good luck to grandfathered 29s against 8 fotm classes all f2p and scaled items.

boas with scopes or dungeon guns with trade exploit scopes w/ scaling > grandfather. plus all weapons take a 20% nerf in wod. But who cares its not like this bracket is competitive anyways. 10s prolly more fun in the 19 bracket.
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If the combination of brackets back into 10 levels was the only thing happening in WoD, you'd be right. However, this change is coming with a slew of other WoD changes. It's almost a guarantee that everything about twinking is going to change with patch 6.0, to a point where the low level game isn't even recognizable anymore.

Stats: The amount of attack power from Str and Agi is being halved (each will give 1 ap per point of str/agi found on gear instead of 2). Agi will no longer give crit rating. Attack power on gear will be reduced by 50%. Intellect will also no longer give crit rating. All these changes to stats are being made to bring them in line with each other so classes can begin to be balanced. Right off the bat this will nerf hunters and rogues considerably (as well as other agi using classes/specs).

Abilities: We've already begun to see the shuffling of abilities around, priest level 15 and 60 talent teirs are being swapped, with Psychic Scream replacing Psyfiend and Psyfiend being removed completely. This means Priests are being nerfed and won't have any CC abilities below level 60. They are getting survival abilities in their level 15 talents, but won't have any CC anymore.

In addition to the shuffling of abilities, they are being re-tuned from the ground up, with base damage/healing being removed completely (this means that gear will factor more into the strength of your abilities than it does now), significantly lowering the throughput of abilities while making them more reliant on gear and scaling. Critical strikes will also only do 150% damage instead of the 200% they do now.

Gear: Hit, expertise, dodge, and parry are being removed from gear (at all levels), and are being replaced by crit, haste, mastery or armor. Weapons are having their damage value adjusted, with melee/ranged weapons being brought down roughly 20% and caster weapons being brought up. Weapon damage on caster weapons will now be a part of their damage/healing (like Diablo 3). It's uncertain whether or not Blizzard is going to re-itemize every single piece of gear (especially at low levels) to account for balance, but they are putting an unprecedented amount of effort into the low level part of the game (adjusting abilities, talents, ect) and I would not put it past them to actually do it for this expansion. They've understood that low level gear is lacking (particularly pvp rewards) and dungeon/quest gear from newly revamped parts of the game tends to significantly outshine anything else we can get in the game aside from BoAs.


All told, there are a significant number of changes happening that will be better for balance all around. Stating things like 'have fun against GF 29s' and 'there's a huge disparity between GF and non GF gear' is just bad for morale (and untrue). Will 20 F2Ps be able to compete against 29s? It completely depends on how well they scale with the 9 levels they get in BGs, what abilities they get @ 20 vs 29, and whether or not Blizzard gives them access to the BoA tab. Right now there are only a few classes who are competitive with 24s @ 20, and those classes (rogue, hunter, priest) are all getting significant nerfs to both their abilities and stats.

Right now, it's too early to tell.
 
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willix said:
All told, there are a significant number of changes happening that will be better for balance all around. Stating things like 'have fun against GF 29s' and 'there's a huge disparity between GF and non GF gear' is just bad for morale (and untrue). Will 20 F2Ps be able to compete against 29s? It completely depends on how well they scale with the 9 levels they get in BGs, what abilities they get @ 20 vs 29, and whether or not Blizzard gives them access to the BoA tab. Right now there are only a few classes who are competitive with 24s @ 20, and those classes (rogue, hunter, priest) are all getting significant nerfs to both their abilities and stats.

Right now, it's too early to tell.
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Exactly what I have been stating. Until the PTR comes out we really can not even come close to telling what the battlegrounds will be like in 6.0xxxx. And even then there will be weeks and months of tweaking. But it sure is fun speculating. People have made a healthly living on speculation.

Sweetsidney...
 
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My Cata GF toons are in the 50-100 dollar range right now. Seems like a fair investment for anyone who enjoys the nature of the f2p bracket.
 
Goesid said:
Greens are getting boosted on wod.wowhead.com atm.
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It's still far too early to tell what changes will be final for WoD. Most of the data there is taken from the alpha client through data mining. I would take any info there with a grain of salt until you're able to test it on the PTR shortly before release.

They don't even have all the information from the patch notes on the WoD site.

Donteventrii said:
My Cata GF toons are in the 50-100 dollar range right now. Seems like a fair investment for anyone who enjoys the nature of the f2p bracket.
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You really have no plans on playing live servers in WoD?

Shame, really.
 
willix said:
It's still far too early to tell what changes will be final for WoD. Most of the data there is taken from the alpha client through data mining. I would take any info there with a grain of salt until you're able to test it on the PTR shortly before release.

They don't even have all the information from the patch notes on the WoD site.



You really have no plans on playing live servers in WoD?

Shame, really.
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It still is giving a good idea on what some of the stats are turning into on gear seems like hit>haste for casters and hit>crit for melee

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Donteventrii said:
Don't be daft shathead. I still have my mages. Do you see them listed for sale?

Skanky, is your tapatalk working?
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Yes sir, albeit the regular version I think. The pro/HD/paid version stopped working awhile back here for me.

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iirc NS could have a +7 scope in LK or so, would be cool if anyone kept their enchant until today
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There's like all of 3 people on US servers who had a Nail Spitter. It's not exactly like Every Damn Player With A 29 Has A Hunter With A Nail Spitter.

Will you see someone with a NS in a game post 6.0? Possibly. You're not going to get into a game where 7 people are playing NS hunters.

Don't be daft shathead. I still have my mages. Do you see them listed for sale?

Skanky, is your tapatalk working?
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Afaik all you have @ 29 is 2 mages and a hunter. All of which having gear that became GF in Cata.

How am I supposed to know which characters you aren't talking about? Derp.

It still is giving a good idea on what some of the stats are turning into on gear seems like hit>haste for casters and hit>crit for melee
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The data on Wowhead is off, even on the live versions of items.

Gallan Cuffs - Item - World of Warcraft = 'WoD'
Gallan Cuffs - Item - World of Warcraft = 'Live'
Gallan Cuffs - Game Guide - World of Warcraft = Actual Live

Skullbreaker - Item - World of Warcraft = 'WoD'
Skullbreaker - Item - World of Warcraft = 'Live'
Skullbreaker - Game Guide - World of Warcraft = Actual Live

Nail Spitter - Item - World of Warcraft = 'WoD'
Nail Spitter - Item - World of Warcraft = 'Live'
Nail Spitter - Game Guide - World of Warcraft = Actual Live

Zealot's Robe - Item - World of Warcraft = 'WoD'
Zealot's Robe - Item - World of Warcraft = 'Live'
Zealot's Robe - Game Guide - World of Warcraft = Actual Live

This is just a sample. If the data taken from the supposed live servers on Wowhead isn't even accurate, how can we determine the accuracy of the WoD Wowhead data?

Way too many grandfathered items in the 29 bracket if you ask me=/ #Sad
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I already tried explaining why GF items aren't a big deal right now. Try reading my post on the previous page more carefully.

http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f40/wod-20-29-hell-yes-57493/index7.html#post785222
 
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