Wich chest should i get?

[Atsuro]

I have this warrior. I just bought the shoulders. (Yay first heirloom in 4 years)
I plan on changing spec to Arms and using Emil's Brand as a weapon. So i wanna know wich heirloom chest i should take. Polished Breastplate of Valor or Burnished Breastplate of Might? Both seem to have their advantages but wich one will fit best with my Shoulders and Sword choice?

 

[Atsuro]

Oops forgot the link to Warrior: Chaxmon @ Darkspear - Community - World of Warcraft

 

[Recharged]

I have this warrior. I just bought the shoulders. (Yay first heirloom in 4 years)
I plan on changing spec to Arms and using Emil's Brand as a weapon. So i wanna know wich heirloom chest i should take. Polished Breastplate of Valor or Burnished Breastplate of Might? Both seem to have their advantages but wich one will fit best with my Shoulders and Sword choice?

Gonna want dat crit. Go for Polished Valor unless if you're planning on tanking/FCing as your first BiS build.

Emil's Brand has higher DPS than Reef Axe/Cold Iron Pick, but your hardest hitting offensive abilities as Arms are based on weapon damage.

Reef Axe/CIP = 60-92 -- Emil's Brand = 54-82 (68-103 -- 61-92 scaled, respectively).

I think you'll see a slight rage benefit from Emil's, but it's not worth the loss you'll take on your Slam/MS hits.

Edit: Just took a look at your armory. If you want to stick with arms, I'd go ahead and start grinding for the Polished Valor shoulders as well. CTA AB is coming up, and with the recent honor changes, it should be a gold mine if you have any free time in that period.

Also, not sure when the crit on Thaeldrid's overcomes the strength on Foremans. Maybe someone else can comment that has run the math? The stam is nice if you are rolling solo in BG's, though.

 

[Zehj]

I have this warrior. I just bought the shoulders. (Yay first heirloom in 4 years)
I plan on changing spec to Arms and using Emil's Brand as a weapon. So i wanna know wich heirloom chest i should take. Polished Breastplate of Valor or Burnished Breastplate of Might? Both seem to have their advantages but wich one will fit best with my Shoulders and Sword choice?

arms weps are all about top end, so use reef axe/cold iron pick until you get the loom 2h

take polished but buy the loom 2h first

if you want more gear advice http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/f2p-warrior-gear-guide-56517/

 

[Bop]

Gonna want dat crit. Go for Polished Valor unless if you're planning on tanking/FCing as your first BiS build.

Emil's Brand has higher DPS than Reef Axe/Cold Iron Pick, but your hardest hitting offensive abilities as Arms are based on weapon damage.

Reef Axe/CIP = 60-92 -- Emil's Brand = 54-82 (68-103 -- 61-92 scaled, respectively).

I think you'll see a slight rage benefit from Emil's, but it's not worth the loss you'll take on your Slam/MS hits.

Edit: Just took a look at your armory. If you want to stick with arms, I'd go ahead and start grinding for the Polished Valor shoulders as well. CTA AB is coming up, and with the recent honor changes, it should be a gold mine if you have any free time in that period.

Also, not sure when the crit on Thaeldrid's overcomes the strength on Foremans. Maybe someone else can comment that has run the math? The stam is nice if you are rolling solo in BG's, though.

Strength adds essentially no damage for warriors.

Taking all of his gear off except for Bloodied Arcanite, Oldspike's damage per Slam/MS changed by something like 12 each.

Still pick up Foreman's though. You're going to want it just in case of changes. And also you should be picking Shield Against Evil Presence anyways, since it's going to be your go-to shield for most Prot sets.

tl;dr: Don't pick up Thaelrids.

Also: Valor chest/shoulders are going to be BiS for any arms, far and away. Resilience adds extremely little mitigation, and is only worth it for some FC sets where it doesn't detract from stamina.

 

[Hashbrowns]

Strength adds essentially no damage for warriors.

Taking all of his gear off except for Bloodied Arcanite, Oldspike's damage per Slam/MS changed by something like 12 each.

Lol that's insane

And also you should be picking Shield Against Evil Presence anyways, since it's going to be your go-to shield for most Prot sets.

tl;dr: Don't pick up Thaelrids.

Actually BoA shield and Scales of Aku'mai/Thaelrid's Greaves net more health, anyway you slice it. Plus it's another 1.86% crit. The legs have so much stamina and armor that easily make up for the loss of armor from the shield. You lose the strength, but like you said it's kinda iffy.

 

[Zehj]

Strength adds essentially no damage for warriors

How many fucking times am I gonna have to explain this, posted this to you not that long ago yet you still persist with this bull

Some slam math (for 5.4)

This is the formula for your average slam hit (including crits) in bgs taking enrage into account

(averagedamage*2.75+261)*(1+1*(crit/100))*(1+0.1*(crit/100))

where averagedamage is taken from the melee tab of your character page (top end + bottom end)/2, and crit is just your normal crit %

Running some numbers:

Full stre - 986.12 (averagedamage 224.5, crit 11.04)
Full crit - 963.64 (averagedamage 190.5, crit 20.33)
Balanced - 994.88 (averagedamage 213, crit 15.68)

By balanced I mean trying to max crit + stre

Only thing this doesn't take into account is the extra rage from enrage, and when working out extra damage from enrage it assumes you use mortal strike every 6 seconds (which is bias towards more crit)

The only ability that scales better with crit is shield slam, even including enrage procs. MS, slam and HS all scale better maxing crit + stre, and all the other abilities scale best in full stre

take Aku'mai/Thaelrid's

fc with those + loom shield

redbeard/talrendis for dps

 

[Bop]

How many fucking times am I gonna have to explain this, posted this to you not that long ago yet you still persist with this bull

Some slam math (for 5.4)

This is the formula for your average slam hit (including crits) in bgs taking enrage into account

(averagedamage*2.75+261)*(1+1*(crit/100))*(1+0.1*(crit/100))

where averagedamage is taken from the melee tab of your character page (top end + bottom end)/2, and crit is just your normal crit %

Running some numbers:

Full stre - 986.12 (averagedamage 224.5, crit 11.04)
Full crit - 963.64 (averagedamage 190.5, crit 20.33)
Balanced - 994.88 (averagedamage 213, crit 15.68)

By balanced I mean trying to max crit + stre

Only thing this doesn't take into account is the extra rage from enrage, and when working out extra damage from enrage it assumes you use mortal strike every 6 seconds (which is bias towards more crit)

The only ability that scales better with crit is shield slam, even including enrage procs. MS, slam and HS all scale better maxing crit + stre, and all the other abilities scale best in full stre

take Aku'mai/Thaelrid's

fc with those + loom shield

redbeard/talrendis for dps

I believe your formula for converting strength into weapon damage is fundamentally flawed, and is not listed above.

Check your methodology.

Don't just make arbitrary claims using basic mathematics that you purport to be correct.

Didn't your math teacher ever tell you? Show Your Work.

 

[Zehj]

I believe your formula for converting strength into weapon damage is fundamentally flawed, and is not listed above.

Check your methodology.

Don't just make arbitrary claims using basic mathematics that you purport to be correct.

Didn't your math teacher ever tell you? Show Your Work.

As I said the weapon damage is taken straight from the character page, not sure how that can be flawed

Doesn't matter if its complicated or basic, that is the formula for working out average slam damage. Ive actually taken the time to work this stuff out instead of coming to conclusions from vague recollections from someone else. You tell me which is more arbitrary

The formula is there plus all the input values - work it out for yourself if you want

 

[Srs]

Omg why are people still taking the BFD pants? You just have to know it's going to be garbage next patch. At some point they are going to fix it where your primary stat is always going to be better than a secondary one.

 

[Allybeboba]

How many fucking times am I gonna have to explain this

Take is easy sleazy.

 

[Kincaide]

work it out for yourself if you want

In a debate, making an unsubstantiated claim and then demanding that your opponent do your legwork for you to prove it is typically not a good way to win favor to your side.

 

[Phrontistery]

Crit chest for arms, parry for tank blah blah

 

[Zehj]

In a debate, making an unsubstantiated claim and then demanding that your opponent do your legwork for you to prove it is typically not a good way to win favor to your side.

He asked me to show my working, which I did. I was saying if he doesn't believe it or w/e he can run the numbers himself

Bop is the one making the unsubstantiated claims here

 

[Atsuro]

To everyone debating (Yea I know you guys LOVE to do that) about my pants choice i just want you to know that I chose those pants a LONG time ago and YES I regret that decision I should've taken the shield but i'll live with that and adapt my playstyle/gearing around that decision. Even if my character isn't BiS I still love him and i'll keep him forever because he's the only character in 4 years that I got an heirloom on. The end!

 

[verh]

As I said the weapon damage is taken straight from the character page, not sure how that can be flawed

Doesn't matter if its complicated or basic, that is the formula for working out average slam damage. Ive actually taken the time to work this stuff out instead of coming to conclusions from vague recollections from someone else. You tell me which is more arbitrary

The formula is there plus all the input values - work it out for yourself if you want

That is not what they use for damage, they use a different formula (which is adjusted for str), but it comes out to have a significantly lesser impact.

 

[Sabzep]

That is not what they use for damage, they use a different formula (which is adjusted for str), but it comes out to have a significantly lesser impact.

Are you talking about normalized attack-power-modified weapon damage ? Is there a better source for these kind of formulas than wowwiki? The site seems often out of date.

 

[Goesid]

Are you talking about normalized attack-power-modified weapon damage ? Is there a better source for these kind of formulas than wowwiki? The site seems often out of date.

Armor of the Fang - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

how dare you.

 

[Zehj]

That is not what they use for damage, they use a different formula (which is adjusted for str), but it comes out to have a significantly lesser impact.

Are you talking about normalized attack-power-modified weapon damage ? Is there a better source for these kind of formulas than wowwiki? The site seems often out of date.

Thanks for pointing this out

did some testing on theramore dummies (pretty sure they have no mitigation) and it does seem that slam damage is normalised and uses this formula instead of the damage listed in the character page

(wepdmg+(3.3*(AP/14))*1.25

(wepdmg being taken straight from the weapon)

I also ticketed a gm to see if I could get any clarification on how it works - we will see how that turns out

ran the slam numbers again using this:

full stre: 874
balanced: 894
full crit: 892

maximum I was able to achieve within the limitations of spell cap was with 18.7 crit and 260 ap which gave 896 (this build Level 20 Human Warrior | WoW World of Warcraft Armory Profiles | Masked Armory)

again due to the assumptions made in calculating the benefits of enrage these numbers are slightly bias towards crit, but with these numbers you should gear more towards crit than a balance of crit and stre

stre still isn't completely useless however and you shouldn't gimp yourself trying to max crit

 

[Srs]

To everyone debating (Yea I know you guys LOVE to do that) about my pants choice i just want you to know that I chose those pants a LONG time ago and YES I regret that decision I should've taken the shield but i'll live with that and adapt my playstyle/gearing around that decision. Even if my character isn't BiS I still love him and i'll keep him forever because he's the only character in 4 years that I got an heirloom on. The end!

Sorry I wasn't trying to slut-shame you or anything. I was trying to warn people that really gimmicky builds, such as the full crit build popular in the most recent patches, are most likely not going to be best for the long run, which is something sevenslacks7 said a while ago.