Why this bracket is exceptional

[Brov]

rofl it took quite a while to think of some positive things that this expansion has offered in all honesty

I'm also starting to agree with lanky a little bit regarding the addition of some of the new BGs. I think EoTs is a pretty cool one, however one can't deny that AV has demolished WSG Q times.

The implementation of skirmishes this expansion was awesome, it's too bad a few classes plague it.

 

[snug]

Well this was a good thread, till the f2p nation came

 

[Allybeboba]

So we have one that dislikes WSG(no reason), but plays 19's that plays WSG, go figure that one...
Bad players... Of which are we all bad players including himself?
29's... Yep, it is the 20-29 bracket after all. And it is not as if 29's represent the majority of the bracket.
Lack of motivation... Definitely right there. But that is across ALL brackets.
Lack of competition... Phhtt.. Competive button pushin' ha!
Lack of community outreach.. Have you seen all the stickies on this forum? Are you kidding me?
Lack of guilds. Level 20's just got access to guilds. There are quite a few of them. Even more 29 guilds.
WSG and AV a joke- you have no reason... Invalid..
Lack of mounts... Who the hell wants to walk around all the time in BGs? AB sucks when you are walking.
Brewmaster/feral/shadowpriest- all follow under class imbalance. We have putting up with this since Vanilla son, deal with it.
Friends leaving - not a bracket issue.
More comments about class imbalance and that it is "cheating" - not cheating they chose a class just as you did

So with all that we have eight(8), duplicates do not count, no reasons given for WSG/AV arguement and friends leaving are not the fault of the bracket.
That brings us to a score of 8-10.

We now have gear scaling. We also can obtain "veteran" status.
That brings us to 10-10.
And with Brov's two that brings us to 12-10.

Let's have some more positive involvement please.

/cheers

 

[PepeLePewPew]

Well this was a good thread, till the f2p nation came

Whatever chicken or egg argument you might want to make, the bracket continues to be populated by an undeniably wide majority of starters/vets.

 

[Lanky]

Well this was a good thread, till the f2p nation came

this was a good bracket till the vets came unfortunately

 

[Original]

So we have one that dislikes WSG(no reason), but plays 19's that plays WSG, go figure that one...
Bad players... Of which are we all bad players including himself?
29's... Yep, it is the 20-29 bracket after all. And it is not as if 29's represent the majority of the bracket.
Lack of motivation... Definitely right there. But that is across ALL brackets.
Lack of competition... Phhtt.. Competive button pushin' ha!
Lack of community outreach.. Have you seen all the stickies on this forum? Are you kidding me?
Lack of guilds. Level 20's just got access to guilds. There are quite a few of them. Even more 29 guilds.
WSG and AV a joke- you have no reason... Invalid..
Lack of mounts... Who the hell wants to walk around all the time in BGs? AB sucks when you are walking.
Brewmaster/feral/shadowpriest- all follow under class imbalance. We have putting up with this since Vanilla son, deal with it.
Friends leaving - not a bracket issue.
More comments about class imbalance and that it is "cheating" - not cheating they chose a class just as you did

So with all that we have eight(8), duplicates do not count, no reasons given for WSG/AV arguement and friends leaving are not the fault of the bracket.
That brings us to a score of 8-10.

We now have gear scaling. We also can obtain "veteran" status.
That brings us to 10-10.
And with Brov's two that brings us to 12-10.

Let's have some more positive involvement please.

/cheers

See... disputing it, honestly im not sure if I should just give you a counter argument or just ignore you

 

[Allybeboba]

See... disputing it, honestly im not sure if I should just give you a counter argument or just ignore you

What got disputed?
And too late, you failed to ignore me... We are not here to argue anything. At least some are not. We are here to discuss why this bracket is not "garbage" and why it is "garbage".

More improvements.
We no longer have to manually dismount in order to use an ability.
We can use neck and ring enchants!
We can use use leg enchants.
We can use shoulder enchants.
We can use enchants that have no level restrictions.
No longer have to go to a battlemaster to queue for a BG.
Leveling fishing is much faster than it used to be.

Which brings us to 20-10

/cheers

 

[Fry]

What got disputed?
And too late, you failed to ignore me...

More improvements.
We no longer have to manually dismount in order to use an ability.
We can use neck and ring enchants!
We can use use leg enchants.
We can use shoulder enchants.
We can use enchants that have no level restrictions.
No longer have to go to a battlemaster to queue for a BG.
Leveling fishing is much faster than it used to be.

Which brings us to 20-10

/cheers

but those don't apply only to this bracket

 

[verh]

but those don't apply only to this bracket

And most of them don't apply to all of the bracket.

 

[PepeLePewPew]

Is scoring really useful or informative here? You're presuming that all issues have equal impact on how enjoyable the bracket is. This isn't the case.
No one is returning from hiatus in order to level fishing more quickly.

 

[Original]

"Which brings us to 20-10"
please stop...

 

[Snowjobs]

If you want this bracket to be enjoyable you have to wargame . The lack of enchants and what not make for very interesting comps and strats you would not see in 19s.

if the bracket is going to thrive you just got to make the most out of its pro's

 

[Light]

why play f2p? for a challange? vets get challange, they have to deal with the 29 fotms still

lets start making the solution to turn into a vet rather than get rid of certain people

you dont the see the 90s themselfs in gear like "pure" f2ps do to make themselfs less incompatable to the 99 twinks

WoD and WoW are total different prices so no bs

 

[Allybeboba]

If you want this bracket to be enjoyable you have to wargame . The lack of enchants and what not make for very interesting comps and strats you would not see in 19s.

if the bracket is going to thrive you just got to make the most out of its pro's

Exactly...
Since 5.2, when gear scaling took place, I have practically exclusively played a level 20 in this bracket. On top of that I solo queue. While that may not be for everyone, there is not any other bracket that can offer the ease of just logging on and hitting "H" and a few minutes later you will be in a BG. Win or lose and then log out and then go on about your daily life.

/cheers
Sweetsidney

 

[Allybeboba]

why play f2p? for a challange? vets get challange, they have to deal with the 29 fotms still

lets start making the solution to turn into a vet rather than get rid of certain people

you dont the see the 90s themselfs in gear like "pure" f2ps do to make themselfs less incompatable to the 99 twinks

WoD and WoW are total different prices so no bs

What are you talking about? Are you sure you are in the correct thread?
We are discussing the facts whether or not the 20-29 bracket is "garbage". Please base your claims on facts or explain your feelings or opinions.

Thank you all for remaining on topic.
/cheers
Sweetsidney

 

[Light]

What are you talking about? Are you sure you are in the correct thread?
We are discussing the facts whether or not the 20-29 bracket is "garbage". Please base your claims on facts or explain your feelings or opinions.

Thank you all for remaining on topic.
/cheers
Sweetsidney

Ok my claim is that the que times are linked to people rolling FoTm classes with less people quing.

As for my feelings your an old lady trolling a game forum, i find it sad

 

[Light]

also i was responding more of my spectating point on snowjob's comment

 

[YungDaddy]

Y can't we all be friends and just play the game

 

[Light]

Y can't we all be friends and just play the game

Keep the comments on topic man

 

[LennywBT]

I think this bracket is trash, but sometimes enjoyable.

Why is it Trash :

Number 1 factor, Blizzard and it's "Balance".
2. There are 3 types of accounts involved, F2P, Vet, 29s. Each of them has their play-style, and diversity.
3. It is a fact, that F2Ps don't use enchants, and it is going to be harder for them to win the game. But that's the true challenge, being in the lowest "level" of the community and prevailing!
Actually, the low level brackets, that use enchanting are pretty much "Boring" in my OPINION, and by FACT!
The FACT is, the use of enchants leads to a much more Burst-Based game, which gets really boring. This issue however, is not to be seen when you play as a F2P.

Lets take into consideration the 10v10s going on between F2Ps / Vets / 29s . We can all see the difference between The F2P and the others. F2P leads into more interesting and fun to play games. F2P doesn't offer you a BURST-BASED game, it offers challenge, and strategy, and skill. I myself can tell, i felt the difference between F2P and VET wargames.

This bracket is sometimes awesome!

-When you win against 8 p2ps. And you win a game, as a F2P... oh! This is the best feeling, ever. And if you lose, you have time to think what you did wrong and right. And take notes for the next time. To be honest, the other brackets do no offer this. For instance, if you play 19s, you will be against different comps , at an equal "level". The "level" difference is the thing that makes this bracket competitive for me!