why are blackout twinks so nasty?

[Llare]

Hahaha not even sure if you're serious or just trying to prove my point. What are non-blackout people supposed to be grateful for? that you guys have been playing WSG in their place when they couldnt?

Are you serious? Right, look at the people giving advice on gear and tips on how to play classes. They are all either from Ruin, or Blackout. You can't make judgements on BiS, if you haven't even been playing BGs/Arenas, and have shared knowledge with other individuals.



The fact is, these people didn't want/love their Twink enough to pay money for it. The bracket has turned to shite, currently; due to the ridiculous specs, and all the Badleys playing said redic specs.

 

[Stormfist]

shush



the quality of 'blackout' gameplay wasn't a patch on the golden days of eu twinking, it's quite pathetic tbh



you say the skill level is higher than the old days? maybe if you were the sort of badley who just rolled pug wsg with a few guildies



but proper premade wsg? there's nothing of the sort



i've been on draenor months and i havn't seen a single blackout organized 10v10 - did you ever do them? when did you stop?



and dont even get me started on what passed for arena on blackout...



it was just like the sort of random skirmish you'd find in any crap BG before the good players joined aygat/dyfl or mnt... even cyc lmfao or CoAs germans / french played miles better 2s, 3s rarely popped in blackout and when it does its awful and nobody ever queues 5s



made the xfer, played til they removed skirm and all the stupid inbalances ... but even the quality of my own guilds teamplay disgusts me



blackout elitists are a shadow of eu's former glory, everyone who matters knows this

 

[Twinkypriest]

Are you serious? Right, well i like to be breastfeed.

Gues your god you won case closed.

 

[Muqmuq]

Gues what he is serious...

Well it's just like rasism some kids that are from a better neighborhood (europe) meets some new friends (afrika usa etc) and then they take their land and tell them they owe it.

So maybe they shouldn't play 19s anymore.



PS. maybe want to add him to your ignore list ^^

hehehe xD_____________________

 

[Vincent]

If you didn't pay the money to xfer, or took the time to reroll, when times got tough, then you don't deserve to play really.

Nuff said, Ill have to agree with this guy

According to you, I should have to sit back and take it when some pimple-faced twit run his mouth about how I shouldn't bring my character in the bg's if i'm not playing a level 19 or have BiS or whatever his ridiculous reason is.............."

You guys had your fun where you could agree on your little rules and everyone wanted to play for the flag but guess what, its not your personal fucking battlegroup, some people are more casual and just wanna play for the hell of it. Dont get me wrong, Im not defending them nor am I one of them, but I have a very different point of view. If you just wanna play with people that see everything the same way you do, then dont do pugs, simple as that. Dont force them to live by your rules and your elitist attitude just because you have been playing WSG the last couple of months. In no way are you superior to them.

 

[Llare]

shush



the quality of 'blackout' gameplay wasn't a patch on the golden days of eu twinking, it's quite pathetic tbh



you say the skill level is higher than the old days? maybe if you were the sort of badley who just rolled pug wsg with a few guildies



but proper premade wsg? there's nothing of the sort



i've been on draenor months and i havn't seen a single blackout organized 10v10 - did you ever do them? when did you stop?



and dont even get me started on what passed for arena on blackout...



it was just like the sort of random skirmish you'd find in any crap BG before the good players joined aygat/dyfl or mnt... even cyc lmfao or CoAs germans / french played miles better 2s, 3s rarely popped in blackout and when it does its awful and nobody ever queues 5s



made the xfer, played til they removed skirm and all the stupid inbalances ... but even the quality of my own guilds teamplay disgusts me



blackout elitists are a shadow of eu's former glory, everyone who matters knows this

Hasn't ever been enough faces to do proper premades; not after the majority of Germans stopped playing anyway. Activity on both sides dwindled when it came to premade interest. It'd always been this way following Blackout migration.



You came in late anyway? If I recall from TI posts. The only mention about the "glory days" was the fact that in Pugs Badleys could just derp around in BiS and be near unkillable, to levelers. That'd changed in Blackout, those people didn't exist.



Ofc the Golden Days were better, much more people playing then and premades actually happened. Blackout tried to get premades going between Saves The Day and the various Horde Guilds that were conceived, but it just didn't happen.



Arena on Blackout was fine aswell; was easy to see who was good and who wasn't good anyway.



I'm arguing the fact that Blackout, and the players who xfered to Blackout; are better than all the individuals who simply decided to start playing 19, simply because the option was there again. They supported the community in Xfering, and things were fine; however doom and gloom you want to make it. But now, like you said, things are redic imbalanced, and there's not much point playing. A factor in this, is of course, the majority of uninformed individuals who didn't xfer to Blackout, who didn't make the effort and in general, aren't that good for flag focused play.



We made the best out of what we had. If players like you had've xfered earlier, obviously idk what reasons stopped you, we might've had premades going; who knows.

You guys had your fun where you could agree on your little rules and everyone wanted to play for the flag but guess what, its not your personal fucking battlegroup, some people are more casual and just wanna play for the hell of it. Dont get me wrong, Im not defending them nor am I one of them, but I have a very different point of view. If you just wanna play with people that see everything the same way you do, then dont do pugs, simple as that. Dont force them to live by your rules and your elitist attitude just because you have been playing WSG the last couple of months. In no way are you superior to them.

What happened with Blackout is that you couldn't just derp around in BGs for "fun", it was, in all honesty, despite what some would say, pretty competitive. That's what people wanted; is part of the reason you'd xfer.



People who didn't make the effort, shouldn't be making threads saying BO twinks are "nasty", our social norms have been thrown out the window and heck, it's fucking irritating having useless team mates that don't even play the game properly. We shouldn't be moaned at, for trying to organise these creatures, and win some BGs.

 

[Vincent]

What happened with Blackout is that you couldn't just derp around in BGs for "fun", it was, in all honesty, despite what some would say, pretty competitive. That's what people wanted; is part of the reason you'd xfer.

You paid to have your competitive BGs and you got it, now its over though, live with it. Dont act like you're the ones who invented twinking and the ones everyone should follow and live by. What you had was a privilege, not a right.

People who didn't make the effort, shouldn't be making threads saying BO twinks are "nasty", our social norms have been thrown out the window and heck, it's fucking irritating having useless team mates that don't even play the game properly. We shouldn't be moaned at, for trying to organise these creatures, and win some BGs.

Yet again you seem to think its your personal fucking battlegroup, your norms? who gives a shit about "your norms"? Its a game for everyone and its a battlegroup for everyone, not just for arrogant elitists.

 

[fochixi]

I'm certainly thankful to realms like Blackout and Ruin and those that transfered there to keep things going while times got rough. Had I been in a position to do that, I would have too. Others didn't follow because maybe, like me before real life punched me in the nuts, they only play a couple hours a day and they really didn't want to spend their play time waiting for an hour long que to pop. Or maybe your preset times didn't work with their schedule. Or maybe they are ultra-competitive and they don't want to play within your set of rules. None of that gives you the right to act like a prick now.



It's not your battlegroup anymore. The harsh reality is.......it never was. As much as you like to think it was........it wasn't.





@Vincent, I'm a little confused with the order of your post when you quoted me. Please clarify. Are you agreeing with me? I looks like your argument similar to mine, but, the order of snips looks like you're coming at me and might have taken something I said out of context. thx

 

[Vincent]

@Vincent, I'm a little confused with the order of your post when you quoted me. Please clarify. Are you agreeing with me? I looks like your argument similar to mine, but, the order of snips looks like you're coming at me and might have taken something I said out of context. thx

Haha yes Im agreeing with you

 

[Llare]

You paid to have your competitive BGs and you got it, now its over though, live with it. Dont act like you're the ones who invented twinking and the ones everyone should follow and live by. What you had was a privilege, not a right.



Yet again you seem to think its your personal fucking battlegroup, your norms? who gives a shit about "your norms"? Its a game for everyone and its a battlegroup for everyone, not just for arrogant elitists.

So it's fine for people to be GY farming and Mid farming then, since it's a game for everyone; so everyone can do whatever the fuck they want? We kept and maintained twinking, show some recognition for our efforts.



The norms that were established were simply good sportsmanship. No GY farming and no Mid farming; why the fuck wouldn't you follow those norms? It's not as tight knit and different as you're assuming it was.

I'm certainly thankful to realms like Blackout and Ruin and those that transfered there to keep things going while times got rough. Had I been in a position to do that, I would have too. Others didn't follow because maybe, like me they only play a couple hours a day and they really didn't want to sit for an hour waiting for a que to pop. Or maybe your preset times didn't work with their schedule. Or maybe they are ultra-competitive and they don't want to play within your set of rules. None of that gives you the right to act like a prick now.



It's not your battlegroup anymore. The harsh reality is.......it never was. As much as you like to think it was........it wasn't.

Wasn't any preset times, was always at least 1 WSG up from 3-10. Queue times were 25mins max, since that's the WSG timer cap. It was fine how it was.



Currently 19 twinking has devolved back down to the level where awful players can derp around in Mid, not get moaned at, they ignore the entire course of play; and they can still kill people. That isn't good.

 

[Trespasser]

Its indeed hard not to notice the smugness, arrogance and elitistjerk-attitude of most players from Draenor and Al'Akir, hope Trespasser sees this

Luckily I am not from Al'Akir or Dreanor .



And yes I did notice the last few days that former Blackout twinks are acting a bit to arrogant in wsg now.

However I also noticed last night that a group of rogues (none of them from a blackout server) where actually gy camping while another rogue was holding the flag in our base with a 2-0 advantage. In other words the rogue wasn't capping to let his friend do some camping. This would seem to be one of the reasons why blackout people have a dislike for non-blackout players.



Edit: Can we actually get this topic closed there is just to much hate in this topic.

 

[Twinkypriest]

Edit: Can we actually get this topic closed there is just to much hate in this topic.

Gues your god you won case closed.

I tried it can't be done this have gotten out of hand.

 

[fochixi]

@llare



You don't need to explain to me what the conditions were.......because it doesn't matter. Any reason a peorson had not to transfer is legit to them and nobody should be treated different because they didn't transfer. If you want to organize people to play the game with the objectives in mind then coming at them like an elitist prick certainly is the best way to go about it........../roll eyes.



Telling someone "Were going to try and get this flag back. Please come with us and try to sap the healer," would probably produce better results than "WTf you noob..you suck. Look at your shitty KB's trying to farm mid. GTFO"



If you start with a verbal assault and put someone on the defensive then all you do is turn the game into bitchfest and further decreases your chance at winning. Try to get them on board with your strategy. If they won't go.........roll with the people that are doing it the right way and put the scrubs on ignore. When those mid farming scrubs start getting run over by the opposing team that is staying together........they'll either fall into line with the rest of team, or, they'll quit.



Thinking that everyone will just bend to your will because your are "OMGleetblackouttwink" is dumb. Get over yourself and practice your social skills.

 

[Vincent]

So it's fine for people to be GY farming and Mid farming then, since it's a game for everyone; so everyone can do whatever the fuck they want? We kept and maintained twinking, show some recognition for our efforts.



The norms that were established were simply good sportsmanship. No GY farming and no Mid farming; why the fuck wouldn't you follow those norms? It's not as tight knit and different as you're assuming it was.

Yes everyone can do whatever the fuck they want thats exactly the point. And dont try to sound like a fucking martyr with your efforts, only thing you did was to make sure you could play your twink, you havent in any way "saved the twinking community"...

Luckily I am not from Al'Akir or Dreanor .



And yes I did notice the last few days that former Blackout twinks are acting a bit to arrogant in wsg now.

However I also noticed last night that a group of rogues (none of them from a blackout server) where actually gy camping while another rogue was holding the flag in our base with a 2-0 advantage. In other words the rogue wasn't capping to let his friend do some camping. This would seem to be one of the reasons why blackout people have a dislike for non-blackout players.

I dont care what server you are from, I was in that battleground and I stood still in our base not doing shit since we were like 10 vs 3 and ally didnt even try to get our flag. Then all of a sudden I see you and another guy throwing insults at someone as soon as he picks up the flag, and he doesnt hold it, I watched him as he came running in our base (with sprint none the less). He then held the flag for like 10 sec in our base while he was talking to you. Point being, your elitist attitude thinking you're the man cause you're from blackout, was totaly uncalled for.

 

[examinerEU]

Some people maybe getting the wrong impression here; defining everyone who is being nasty as "blackout twinks" automatically

put someone on the defensive

and then results

into bitchfest and further decreases your chance at winning

.

I can say that generally; its not the fact that people are non-blackout twinks which annoy people its the playstyle; as mentioned earlier of mid-farming and gy farming which may irritate players. We have no right as mentioned earlier to dictate how others play as they paid for their sub etc etc. But i also pay for mine; and when i join id prefer if people focused on the game rather than most damage done, least deaths, most KB. Course i can only voice my concern by saying stuff like "go O / Gtfo midfielding and go O / Stop gy farming go O / Healers stay with fc plz". If there is no response and its 3 people trying to win a 10 man team game; then i find something better to do for 25 minutes.

 

[Llare]

You don't need to explain to me what it was.......because it doesn't matter. Any reason not to transfer is legit and nobody should be treated different because they didn't transfer. If you want to organize people to play the game with the objectives in mind then coming at them like an elitist prick certain it the best way to go about it........../roll eyes.



Telling someone "Were going to try and get this flag back. Please come with us and try to sap the healer," would probably produce better results than "WTf you noob..you suck. Look at your shitty KB's trying to farm mid. GTFO"



If you start with a verbal assault and put someone on the defensive then all you do is turn the game into bitchfest and further decreases your chance at winning. Try to get them on board with your strategy. If they won't go.........roll with the people that are doing it the right way and put the scrubs on ignore. When those mid farming scrubs start getting run over by the opposing team that is staying together........they'll either fall into line with the rest of team, or, they'll quit.



Thinking that everyone will just bend to your will because your are "OMGleetblackouttwink" is dumb. Get over yourself and practice your social skills.

At what point did I say that was what I was doing? I try to organise these people being as well mannered as I can. Sure, I'll agree, there are some people who go fucking crazy at these useless people, making them generally want to ignore the moaner. I don't go down to the level of screaming at individuals; I try to keep calm, and play the game properly, carrying my team if need be.



The problem is, these people have ego's, where it isn't due justice; they don't listen to people who're obviously trying to help them, and win the game. I suggested to a non BoA rogue, just out of standing around in D, trying to be pleasant, to get soft capped with 11 hit rating. I got it thrown back in my face, for no real reason. It's happened multiple times, whether it me be trying to get the Team to attack in a Group, to avoid mid, or who to focus.



They don't listen. It's a team game; maybe I shouldn't be trying to take up the whole "leader" role, but these people are bloody useless; they don't do anything. Playing another game, we had 7 rogues, a priest, me as paladin and a lock. They couldn't group up, go in simultaneously, and even bring down the FC, who didn't even have a turtleD, when he has debuff. I tried telling people to go, and attack; since my CDs were popped surviving the last attack. They replied with all equally stupid comments i.e "-.- we know hw 2 paly wsg lol stfu". Their O was faster at organising; killed me through our weak D, and we lost the game.



Maybe it's just because I'm a tryharding faggot, but heck, if I make the effort to FC; or stay on D, I expect my "team mates" to do their roles in D. Majority of people in WSG atm, don't do this, and sometimes it comes down to 2-3 people from BO carrying, in all honesty. Take away the large amount of trash Holy Paladins derping through WSG, I haven't seen a single well geared, save a few BiS rogues, proper player; who actually helps to win the game, who isn't on Blackout.

Yes everyone can do whatever the fuck they want thats exactly the point. And dont try to sound like a fucking martyr with your efforts, only thing you did was to make sure you could play your twink, you havent in any way "saved the twinking community"...

So you condone GY farming? Brilliant. Welcome back to the bracket btw, how long were you out for? This BG merger is really good yeah; means I can pwn everyone on all my old tinkes DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[fochixi]

I don't like it when people GY camp or hold the flag after the win is secured to do........whatever. I don't really condone any unsportsmanlike conduct. If that's how those people get off, do you really think yelling at them is going to change anything? No.......they live for drama that comes alng with their behavior. Convince the non-farmers to stop playing until the gy campers wipe and the other team takes the flag back. Or leave the bg. You were already used to 25 min ques.......afk, take the debuff and hope to get a better game next time. Post something on the forums to bring it to the attention of the community. Starting a bitchfest in the bg isn't going to change anything.

 

[Rivfader]

Pugs are srsbsns and it is reasonable to expect them to be competetive. Hadn't the EU bgs died anyway? Be happy you're getting games.

 

[Llare]

I don't like it when people GY camp or hold the flag after the win is secured to do........whatever. I don't really condone any unsportsmanlike conduct. If that's how those people get off, do you really think yelling at them is going to change anything? No.......they live for drama that comes alng with their behavior. Convince the non-farmers to stop playing until the gy campers wipe and the other team takes the flag back. Or leave the bg. You were already used to 25 min ques.......afk, take the debuff and hope to get a better game next time. Post something on the forums to bring it to the attention of the community. Starting a bitchfest in the bg isn't going to change anything.

I just said, multiple times, that I don't yell at people. I stay polite, they still do nothing.



Better games? Isn't going to happen I'm afraid; yet, I'll still keep playing, to try keep the bracket civilised.

Pugs are srsbsns and it is reasonable to expect them to be competetive. Hadn't the EU bgs died anyway? Be happy you're getting games.

Blackout community was alot smaller than Ruin. We didn't have anyone GY farming, every Pug was litterally properly flag focus, again maybe an exaggeration; but almost every game I was in, was good, proper play.



They hadn't died, no.

 

[Llare]

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