Which Faction has more active 20s???? Ally vs Horde BG Ques?????

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Was wondering which faction has more active 20s. Reason why I ask is I'm noticing long ques for bgs I think it's cause I'm ally and there might be more active ally players than horde but I'm not sure.



If it is so I think we need to start recruiting more players for F2P in general and a good amount of 20s for the horde if needed.



Also post your average Que for bgs either faction.
 
Plenty of horde ppl on Aerie Peak.



This sunday we had 30+ ppl on at once.
 
There are far more alliance queuing for battlegrounds than there are horde queuing in the 20-24 bracket.



If you want fast queue time you need to go horde. If you want easy pug win rates you need to go alliance.



If you want to run premade groups, horde aerie peak runs full 10-15 man groups almost every day. Alliance do this as well, but its much harder to get 10 alliance into the same bg than it is for 10-15 horde to get into the same bg. This is primarily because of the disproportionate population. However, this may even out over time as more new players on horde switch to alliance to avoid getting camped, but I imagine these new players either just quit or decide to pay and level.



[size=+1]TLDR:

Horde = Fast queues difficult games

Alliance = Long queues easy games

Aerie Peak = Premades/Wargames[/size]
 
Shfthappens said:
Horde is both more active and has max 5 min wsg queues
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Contradictory statement. If horde had more players in the bracket they'd have longer queues. There are more alliance in this bracket than horde, which is why the queue time difference. WSG weekend is the exception. The numbers even out then, and queue times for both sides are pretty short.



WSG is anything from instant during WSG weekend to 20 minutes. If it's longer than that I'm probably going to give up. AB is anywhere from 5 minutes during AB weekend, to over an hour, by which time I gave up. No idea how long it might have gone, but I wasn't interested in finding out.
 
Aradiel said:
Contradictory statement. If horde had more players in the bracket they'd have longer queues. There are more alliance in this bracket than horde, which is why the queue time difference. WSG weekend is the exception. The numbers even out then, and queue times for both sides are pretty short.



WSG is anything from instant during WSG weekend to 20 minutes. If it's longer than that I'm probably going to give up. AB is anywhere from 5 minutes during AB weekend, to over an hour, by which time I gave up. No idea how long it might have gone, but I wasn't interested in finding out.
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Assuming he's rolling Aerie Peak it's true.
 
There are more alliance then horde overall (counting all servers). That's why horde Queues are faster.

But there are also more (and more skilled as well) alliance players in Aerie Peak, there's no denying that, why should we lie to the guy?



Anyway I strongly recommend you rolling horde because of:

1. Faster Queues. Since there's less horde, queues are faster.

2. Competition. If everyone keeps rolling ally there'll be a time when the game is no fun at all, easy wins are fun at the beggining but not after a month or two.
 
Why would anyone assume from the OP he was rolling AP? Don't worry, rhetorical question. More/skilled ally on AP? More horde on AP? Proof? Numbers? Yes, this one is a real question. Both statements can't be true.



Which side has more 24s is not a better question. Both sides have 24s. Both sides have MBs. Both sides have morons without mounts/talents(spec)/gear in every slot/any idea what they're doing. Of course, as Deadvulcano mentioned, the lack of horde players generally does make it easier to form a full premade by queueing at the same time than it is for alliance.



Pointless random fact, but ally have more sea turtles. I even saw a random non AP non TI gnome riding one in AB yesterday. We raced from BS flag to LM/BS bridge. I won. Do any horde at all have one?
 
Aradiel said:
Why would anyone assume from the OP he was rolling AP? Don't worry, rhetorical question. More/skilled ally on AP? More horde on AP? Proof? Numbers? Yes, this one is a real question. Both statements can't be true.



Which side has more 24s is not a better question. Both sides have 24s. Both sides have MBs. Both sides have morons without mounts/talents(spec)/gear in every slot/any idea what they're doing. Of course, as Deadvulcano mentioned, the lack of horde players generally does make it easier to form a full premade by queueing at the same time than it is for alliance.



Pointless random fact, but ally have more sea turtles. I even saw a random non AP non TI gnome riding one in AB yesterday. We raced from BS flag to LM/BS bridge. I won. Do any horde at all have one?
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A sea turtle does not make you good.



It's easy to say that not everyone who is on AP are the best, but that is where the largest community of 20s are. If you WANT to join the majority of F2P community, then feel free to come over :)



Also, we will most likely get all our BoA gear faster than other ppl seeing how on WSG/AB weekends(call to arms) we premade, in fact we premade every day. We will help you get all the honor you need for heirloom gear. It'll be a lot harder to farm Heirloom gear alone than it will be if you are on AP. The hardest thing atm is just getting your AGM; but that too will be fixed soon.
 
Seemed to me that queue times were annoying him and he wanted to reroll. Why reroll anywhere other than Aerie Peak? That's why I assumed. He also didnt ask which side had the more skilled players, but which side has more active players. Why would player activity matter other than queues if he's only gonna see them in bgs. Aerie Peak. So that brings me to my final statement: Some of my favorite people are on Ally side AP and there are certainly good players, but they don't say a ****ing word Ally side AP, and horde talks all day.
 
I have to start using quotes more. The skilled players comment was in response to Hardc0re that claimed "there are also more (and more skilled as well) alliance players in Aerie Peak" while Shfthappens said "Horde is both more active [on AP] and has max 5 min wsg queues" [added by me] so both of those statements can not be true. I was seriously and genuinely enquiring into what these statements were based on. Where are the numbers? I also think that claiming AP ally are more skilled than AP horde is a little ridiculous and smacks of factional fanboyism.



Let's not make this into an I think I'm good ePeenfest. I refuse to comment on being good since it's entirely subjective and situational. You can comment on a character's build, gear, chants etc. but it's playstyle that really seperates good from bad if you ask me, which is again, entirely subjective and situational.



I never claimed having a turtle makes you good. Get the (fishing) pole out of your ass and the chip off your shoulder. I inlcuded it as a pointless random fact. I'm also seriously asking if any horde have one? I'm assuming not, which goes to show how much time people that tend to play horde in this bracket tend to put into their characters. If it's not easy mode, they don't want to know.



As for the AGM, without a dedicated and organised group of max level characters, there is no way very many, if any, AP players are getting AGMs. Even then, politicing and nepatism will mean a core group will get them while most people never will. This assumes that even happens in the first place, which I don't. There is no way new people will have any chance at it.
 
if you're going to roll horde, there's absolutely no reason to do it anywhere else than Aerie Peak. if you want to succeed in battlegrounds in the level 20 bracket as horde, you're going to need to queue as a group with other people. the twink imbalance between alliance and horde is heavily skewed in favor of alliance in the 20 bracket. aerie peak has group queues many, many times throughout each day, and full premades regularly. if you want to roll horde, roll it on aerie peak. it would be stupid to roll a 20 horde character anywhere else.



if you want to be able to solo queue for battlegrounds, you should roll alliance. you will have to wait longer to get a game, but if you're playing by yourself, it will be a lot more enjoyable.



-cotus
 
Hardc0re said:
There are more alliance then horde overall (counting all servers). That's why horde Queues are faster.

But there are also more (and more skilled as well) alliance players in Aerie Peak, there's no denying that, why should we lie to the guy?



Anyway I strongly recommend you rolling horde because of:

1. Faster Queues. Since there's less horde, queues are faster.

2. Competition. If everyone keeps rolling ally there'll be a time when the game is no fun at all, easy wins are fun at the beggining but not after a month or two.
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Ty that's all I wanted to know.
 
Shfthappens said:
Why reroll anywhere other than Aerie Peak? That's why I assumed.
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World PvP. I hate it that the community choosed a PvE server :(



Aradiel said:
I have to start using quotes more. The skilled players comment was in response to Hardc0re that claimed "there are also more (and more skilled as well) alliance players in Aerie Peak" while Shfthappens said "Horde is both more active [on AP] and has max 5 min wsg queues" [added by me] so both of those statements can not be true. I was seriously and genuinely enquiring into what these statements were based on. Where are the numbers? I also think that claiming AP ally are more skilled than AP horde is a little ridiculous and smacks of factional fanboyism.
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Yes you should start using quotes.

I say that there's more (and more skilled) players in Alliance due to personal experience. I may be wrong, but that's my impression.
 
Hardc0re said:
World PvP. I hate it that the community choosed a PvE server :(
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If horde couldn't get fishing hats to counter the alliance cyclops, we'd really be ****ed.
 
World PvP sounds not so promising when you are level 20, and anything about 45 can kill you with a decent amount of knowledge of the game.. it seems like on a world PvP server you would spend more time being ganked than actually ganking other players



Also, i agree with Aradiel about his statement on how dedicated some alliance players are to their toons as opposed to the horde toons, the turtle is a good indicator of that, as is having one or two completely BiS toons, as opposed to 4 or 5 toons that arent BiS
 
I'm not sure why a non-combat related item, namely a turtle mount, means much. A pvp focused Alliance toon "should" have more vanity type items/achievements than a pvp focused Horde toon because Alliance has down time between matches. Horde toons have instant, or at most 1 minute (my experience), battleground pops. If your toon must wait 15+ minutes for a match than it would be "best", depending on utility, to do something productive with that time. However, I agree that horde toon gearing is generally weaker compared to alliance toon gearing over the entire population.



Confounding variables aside, and to specifically answer the turtle mount question. I don't have it, and I don't know any horde toon that does. In my case I have better things to do with my game time budget. Between learning/executing vid creation/editing and making music lmms, there isn't much time for most flavor items. Grats to those that set their mind to something and do it. Just be aware that not everyone values the same things equally.



OT: how did this thread go so wild, at least the op found what he needed ;p
 
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