When will rogues get a buff??

[Grunge]

Rogues are plenty viable, just no-one wants to play a cc sub rogue. They just want to be able to get their tunnelvision shades on, blindly chase the fc, spam 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 like in the good old days and win. GEIF CRIP PLZ

 

[neverseen]

I think it would be neat if they gave rogues kidney shot. Would this be OP? I think it would be usfull on a FC or a healer in order to make one final push at the FC's health so your team can cap. Thoughts?

 

[Grabco]

Rogues don't need a buff, they are fine in Arena at 19 and if people would actually use a good WSG spec they would also be good in WSG. Some rogues are pretty good when they don't farm mid

 

[Rivfader]

Ok, if rogues are fine why are they never brought into a premade. Ya we're pretty good in arena but we need some love in premades. If you have a better idea to make us viable against a kiting defense please let me know



edit: everyone who knows me knows I'm not stupid enough to farm mid or tunnelvision the FC, don't think I'm QQing cause I wanna be OP, if I wanted to faceroll I'd roll a hunter and succeed with a one-button macro.

 

[notoriousthf]

They should move Vanish or Cloak of Shadows down a few levels, then.

 

[Bankbeauty]

30% stealth reduce speed?

 

[Rivfader]

Well seeing as sap only works on a target not in combat and their defense will prolly always be in combat that stealth buff doesn't really help. Also, cloak WOULD be OP

 

[notoriousthf]

Well seeing as sap only works on a target not in combat and their defense will prolly always be in combat that stealth buff doesn't really help. Also, cloak WOULD be OP

In that case, the best I can think about now, is increasing the bonus damage on Backstab on lower levels, to encourage dagger usage and add hopefully to match or even surpass SS if even by a little. (Assuming AB/SF vs SF/SF)



Moving dismantle to lvl 18, probably? Prot warriors get disarm.



Also, I still think lowering Vanish would be a good idea.

 

[CIHC]

They should move Vanish or Cloak of Shadows down a few levels, then.

Oh yush, lets put ther very first poison rogues get at level 20 at 19

 

[Conrose]

I don't think Cloak would be OP at 19... but it would be OP in every bracket between 29 and 59. I'd say probably the best way to buff rogues at 19 without making them OP would be to move Puncturing Wounds to Tier one of Assasination and PTR Waylay + Imp Ambush to the first two tiers of Subtlety. Also shouldn't have to big an effect on endgame PvP/PvE, but it would be questionable in that Mutilate has that wonderful poison talent and Combat has the daze talent.

 

[jailbot]

Rogues are plenty viable, just no-one wants to play a cc sub rogue. They just want to be able to get their tunnelvision shades on, blindly chase the fc, spam 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 like in the good old days and win. GEIF CRIP PLZ

Not going to lie.. I can handle cc.. but I miss tunnel vision. it was funny.

 

[ninedash]

my favorite part of playing a rogue was pissing people off... aka stealth/sap

 

[shanker]

You guys are all dumb. Crippling Poison would ruin twinking, a rogue could single handedly take out an FC, use a 1.3 weapon speed OH and you would never be able to get out of a slow. What I think would be a good solution is that Blizzard implemented a slow that works with combo points. It's a 20% non-dispellable slow that's lasts longer with the more combo points you have. I thought that this was a good idea but I wasn't too sure. Opinions?

sorta like a hunter and warrior does now....with non diminishing wingclip and hamstring, plus the minor glyph that sticks you in place on a hamstring?



would be no more OP than the stuff other classes got from higher level brackets that used to not be in 19



- hunters pets got slows, stealth, nets, etc

- shammies GW

- warlock soul link bubble and to boot don't lose pet

- druids TF, soon to have 3 charges NG's and ET to boot. 19 druids used to not have NG in 19 bracket because you had to waste several points to get the 100% NG they have now



19 rogues also have totally worthless minor glyphs.....none contribute ANYTHING to PVP. most other classes minor glyphs help in PVP especially shammies.



major glyphs for rogues are really poor IMO also.



19 bracket IMO.....is totally imbal imo.....blizz will never fix it....reroll. i did it long ago and made a hunter, have a shammmie and druid in work. 19 rogues make cool bank alts

 

[shanker]

Rogues are plenty viable, just no-one wants to play a cc sub rogue. They just want to be able to get their tunnelvision shades on, blindly chase the fc, spam 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 like in the good old days and win. GEIF CRIP PLZ

most rogues i have seen lately are sub-spec, including my bank alts. even use the 5 yard ambush glyph, but rogue burst is actually poor and after the first hit, you still get kited to death or are exposed.



rogues staying stealthed too long waiting to get into position, really don't help the team overall. many experienced players jump and move around constantly to make set-up harder



i was in a 3 vs 2 situation, my hunter and 2 rogues against a paladin and rogue (non-stealthed) the 2 rogues with me wasted too much time for the elusive set-up....that i got wiped, and then both my team mate rogues got wiped.



many have seen things like this, anyone who hasn't...i will say now is a liar. i see it even in the XP BGs when players flame in chat how they were in a 2 vs 1 situation and lost because the rogue wants to set up for BS/Amb.



rogue did get the stealth speed buff recently but didn't really affect 19 imo

 

[Grunge]

most rogues i have seen lately are sub-spec, including my bank alts. even use the 5 yard ambush glyph, but rogue burst is actually poor and after the first hit, you still get kited to death or are exposed.



rogues staying stealthed too long waiting to get into position, really don't help the team overall. many experienced players jump and move around constantly to make set-up harder



i was in a 3 vs 2 situation, my hunter and 2 rogues against a paladin and rogue (non-stealthed) the 2 rogues with me wasted too much time for the elusive set-up....that i got wiped, and then both my team mate rogues got wiped.



many have seen things like this, anyone who hasn't...i will say now is a liar. i see it even in the XP BGs when players flame in chat how they were in a 2 vs 1 situation and lost because the rogue wants to set up for BS/Amb.



rogue did get the stealth speed buff recently but didn't really affect 19 imo

Ok, now we can have a real discussion. When you play priest, you're gimp. You can survive, b ut you can't kill.



Rogues are now in that state, they CAN kill, but not as well. Rogues now a days need to learn how to escape, skulk, and CC. Until rogues come to realize this and play that sort of style, they won't make appearances in premades.



In short, you gotta be a jedi. And if you suck it up and learn, people will remember you forever. Otherwise, you'll just be another no-name rogue that happened to twink.

 

[ninedash]

Ok, now we can have a real discussion. When you play priest, you're gimp. You can survive, b ut you can't kill.



Rogues are now in that state, they CAN kill, but not as well. Rogues now a days need to learn how to escape, skulk, and CC. Until rogues come to realize this and play that sort of style, they won't make appearances in premades.



In short, you gotta be a jedi. And if you suck it up and learn, people will remember you forever. Otherwise, you'll just be another no-name rogue that happened to twink.

if this is what rogues need to do to get into premades, then I am to assume that not one rogue has figured this out?



no



thats great in pugs/ needed in arena, but in a premade they are ~ dead-weight



and I love/miss my rogue

 

[shanker]

Ok, now we can have a real discussion. When you play priest, you're gimp. You can survive, b ut you can't kill.



Rogues are now in that state, they CAN kill, but not as well. Rogues now a days need to learn how to escape, skulk, and CC. Until rogues come to realize this and play that sort of style, they won't make appearances in premades.



In short, you gotta be a jedi. And if you suck it up and learn, people will remember you forever. Otherwise, you'll just be another no-name rogue that happened to twink.

rogues have a real hard time killing in 19 bracket WSG open space, near every class can escape and leave due to 10 sec slows/roots/nets, fears, sheep, etc. rogues has a gouge but overall have to be sub spec with a point in gouge to get into stealth or hope sprint is timed in, but that don't work most of the time. why my rogue is a cool bank alt.



hunters, druids, shammies have free no point required abilities in 19 that originally were in the 29, 39 and 49 brackets, so playing a rogue in 19 is like playing a rogue in the higher brackets with no crippling poisons



i understand your issue with priests at 19, my friend has a fullboat twink 19 UD priest, he recently rerolled a paladin. his paladin has 3 sets of gear and working on a 4 sets. he rolls it mostly as ret, but he needs to he switches to his full healer cloth set using EM. we were discussing this the other day how pissed he is with his priest on DPS side issues.



but overall he does like his priest because it's near unkillable 1 vs 1.......he can bore any class to death in duels. but can't have it both ways and be near unkillable, ultimate healer, and DPS other classes like candy

 

[Rivfader]

In short, rogues running around is stealth and backstrafing to safety when things aren't in their advantage is not what guilds are looking for in a premade. They need a class/spec that can DROP FCs and right now warriors and hunters preform this role much much better than rogues. I could see an argument for mages needing a buff in the DPS department since they are a pure DPS class, but a frost Mage is such an essential part to any 10 man D that I

don't think that there are any skilled mages looking for love.

 

[neverseen]

I find that playing sub is quite boring, and im not going to suck it up and play it. Im quite happy in my imp evo, imp SS, and malice spec. I find it fun and i think i will even have more fun once cata comes out. Play the game on the class that you want, rerolling a hunter just to be good does not make you good at all.

 

[Kore nametooshort]

Uh, how would crip poison allow a rogue to single handedly down an FC? druids can both shapeshift out of it a la hamstring or they can remove poison, or have a sham/drood/pally healer remove it for them.