What would you prefer

[Hurrx]

Nice to see Dorigon still has followers
Good for him

spoke nlike true profit.

 

[Trialdruid]

spoke nlike true profit.

That's wack, what the hell does that even mean

 

[Jva]

EPIC post honestly rarely see posts like these keep it up my man

You suck

 

[Allybeboba]

Either way I'm playing against nobodies.

Someone who gets it...

I would rather a merge. I value my time too much to just sit and wait 20-45 min for a 20 min game that may or may not be fresh because someone /AFKed out of it.


/cheers

 

[Hurrx]

You suck

never forget üä warlock 3k dmg dealt per game

 

[Trialdruid]

Someone who gets it...

I would rather a merge. I value my time too much to just sit and wait 20-45 min for a 20 min game that may or may not be fresh because someone /AFKed out of it.


/cheers

Not only time but it would increase the awareness of 19 twinking --> more people get into 19s --> new talent breeds --> not only more active bracket but more competetive as well

 

[Barbarous]

Not only time but it would increase the awareness of 19 twinking --> more people get into 19s --> new talent breeds --> not only more active bracket but more competetive as well

stop trolling

 

[Conq]

Not only time but it would increase the awareness of 19 twinking --> more people get into 19s --> new talent breeds --> not only more active bracket but more competetive as well

More NWL teams more stream viewers more battle grounds, more people on TI, more GG19 applicants, bigger guilds on BH, new guilds on other servers.

 

[Allybeboba]

Why exactly do the people who want XP-on and XP-off merged play 19s? If you want low quality games that pop 24 hours a day you might as well play level 20/29 twinks or you could even level an alt through leveling battlegrounds. I'm sure having three more buttons on average won't make that much of a difference.

Out of all the active brackets 10-19 has the highest quality pugs, I am honestly having a hard time understanding why you would want to turn it into another shit show just because some people think they need to be able to play their 19s 24/7.

Also, please drop the moronic wargame argument. "Pug quality is irrelevant because wargames are available" makes no sense whatsoever and I am sure you know that.

What is this "quality" you speak of?
Inquiring minds want to know... Because we both know that there is no "true" PuGs in the 10-19 bracket. There is premade group lurking somewhere on either side or both. Those premades really should do wargames if they want "quality". But I think their egos just can't bear the thought of a loss. kek...


/cheers

 

[Zeiren]

you see, us veterans have experienced the full effect of xp off and xp on merged battlegrounds; we played it for years back in the day.

the reason why we hate the idea now is because we have had the opportunity to experience xp off, we've simply become acclimated to it.

we don't want change, we like the way things are, that's essentially why we twink, we want limited change to gear, spells, environment, etc.

but with every expansion, inevitable changes effect our community and we can't do anything about it except re acclimate, just as we do every time and just as we are going to do in legion.

personally, if this was a real change in the near future; I'd be fine with it.

right now we hate the thought of it because we have all had that under geared player or idiot on our team. at least with this, there's a guarantee that both teams will have that factor at the cost of having more frequent games and furthering on the activity in the bracket.

i've played 20-29 - most boring games i've ever played, but the games where both sides had twinks, i found them to be somewhat enjoyable and competitive.

what i didn't like about 20-29s is i didn't recognize anyone in battlegrounds, the community is simply too big.

with our bracket most people are there to level and be on their way. i'm certain that it will be like the old days. the community will be bigger, providing more activity, but not big enough to make you feel alienated.

it comes down to quality vs quantity. pick your poison.

 

[Trialdruid]

you see, us veterans have experienced the full effect of xp off and xp on merged battlegrounds; we played it for years back in the day.

the reason why we hate the idea now is because we have had the opportunity to experience xp off, we've simply become acclimated to it.

we don't want change, we like the way things are, that's essentially why we twink, we want limited change to gear, spells, environment, etc.

but with every expansion, inevitable changes effect our community and we can't do anything about it except re acclimate, just as we do every time and just as we are going to do in legion.

personally, if this was a real change in the near future; I'd be fine with it.

right now we hate the thought of it because we have all had that under geared player or idiot on our team. at least with this, there's a guarantee that both teams will have that factor at the cost of having more frequent games and furthering on the activity in the bracket.

I have played since vanilla and I dont really feel like you do about " under geared player"s or "idiot"s, I just think they need to be guided to the right direction, need to be given a chance to get better and they need constructive critisism not being put down
I feel we should always welcome new "idiot"s and "under geared player"s to our bracket, they will be the future of the bracket and the legacy the old guard leaves after we are gone

 

[Delayed]

I mean back when I was clueless on things I actually farmed in WSG on my old troll Hunter and had a blast. But now where I have experienced plebs and premades, I could not enjoy playing with xp on and xp off. If I did I'd be playing a weak class so I don't feel like a dick obliterating.

 

[Yapah]

Dude, if u merge open exp with closed exp you'll have 6 people doing absolutely nothing.
You'll have more afkers than you've ever seen.
You'll have the biggest garbage games ever.
More people will leave the bracket than join it.

I don't need to explain this, not even to americans :3333

We have you in xp-off, it can't get much worse

 

[Zeiren]

I have played since vanilla and I dont really feel like you do about " under geared player"s or "idiot"s, I just think they need to be guided to the right direction, need to be given a chance to get better and they need constructive critisism not being put down
I feel we should always welcome new "idiot"s and "under geared player"s to our bracket, they will be the future of the bracket and the legacy the old guard leaves after we are gone

i agree.

with the way the community is now, you see an under geared player and react harshly rather than directing them to twinkinfo. people simply 'report player afk' instantly when gates start. although, i can see where this attitude comes from given that when you see a level 15 with their xp off or someone that is under geared, it is quite clear they did that intentionally. you don't just find the xp off npc or come in with full gear while missing enchants and serpent gloves; you did that on purpose. like everyone else, i hate that shit. it's just the competitive atmosphere of our bracket. its xp off, you expect everyone to have their gear and be ready; not be half-assed. if xp off and on were merged, views would obviously be changed.

 

[Sketchbag]

Arguing for competition in PUGs is simply catering to lazy mentalities of adolescent epeeners. It's the same people whom have been crying about "jajas" in PUGs. If you want balanced teams, no jajas, make your best attempt at growing a pair of furbolgs and organize a wargame. When we were sick of you guys gy farming out friends into quitting, we organized wargames and group pug queues and had a blast. Unfortunately, we couldn't encourage most of our friends to come back after the nail in the coffin had been driven.


If PUGs were constantly available to anyone and everyone and they're not being afkd out / told to afk out by most of the posters on this forum, our active community would double in no time. Most of the posters here want to be a big fish in a small pond. That's a pretty pussy way to go about things. Being vocal about wanting competition yet only queuing fotm comps in Skype into PUGs. Most people here say they want competition yet avoid true competition at all costs. Disbanding after each premade loss, not premading unless your "a team" is on, blaming every loss on how you didn't have your "a team", coming back every 3 months with a new name, queuing up into PUGs with your bis fotm homies in skype, afking people out of games.


If we had more people queuing PUGs and more people joining the community, that will result in more guilds and who knows what could happen with that (more wsgs popping, more people for arenas, more premading guilds, bigger and better community). I've been strongly encouraging the bracket sprout on different realms instead of centralizing as the pool of exposure on one realm as it is far too limiting for years. I've been saying this since day one and stopped being so vocal about it due to the pure lack of proactive community members whom want to see the community grow in numbers instead of shrink. Although yes it's possible to recruit others... It's naturally going to be more difficult than if others found us instead of us needing to seek those players out and sell them on 19s. I don't see any new person whom stumbles across TI becoming interested in what this community has to offer. If I found TI today, I'd see nothing but complete disrespect and out of my own enjoyment, I'd probably roll ferals with my friends just to piss these people off for an hour or two every week when I have nothing better to do. The community has gained a few members here and there, but it's absolutely lost more dedicated members due to the complete shitstorm that the community has become.


Twinks aren't a whole lot of fun now, I'll admit, but to me they haven't been fun since before Cata. Why do I still play? With me only being able to play for a month or so at a time, it makes more sense for me than to try to grind out gear on a 100 and then come back a few months later and have to do it all over again. With wow tokens, I've been having more fun just grinding out gold from old raids than encountering the same 10 names, 3-0ing or being 3-0d and then logging. Those saying "I think it's good that twinks only pop during winter break and summer" are only saying so because it's convenient for them as they're in school during the offseason. When you're at school, there are still community members and new players trying to enjoy their 19s. We should cater things to these people as someday you'll move on, quit, or be occupied with your own real life and whom will be left to fill our shoes? Better get a newer generation geared up and in line now... I wish you guys could have experienced Vengeance back in the day... will always be the greatest community I've ever been a part of. None of this pussy afking out / loss dodging and if you talked shit, you backed it up. We wouldn't sell out our friend's IP addresses for a few quick laughs at ddosing the community... Speaking of, I've actually recently seen someone bring up 19s in a random BG and another person in the game vocalized the impression that we're "retarded elitist children whom ddos each other to win PUGs." True or not, keep in mind that some people actually have this impression of this community and I wouldn't exactly say they're in the wrong either.


Just have a thought about legacy every once in a while and consider the future of 19s in a time where you may be more occupied with your real life. The communities that you are passionate about returning to are those whom provide positive experiences to the members. Build a community for the casual 19 player to feel and be welcome because gearing towards casual provides no bottom end and no ceiling where as gearing only towards high competition is 100% finite and limiting. Also gain fathom that in being an exclusive and elitist community, more people will quit than those whom will rise to the competition and join the community. You should always meet competition with competition, don't bring an AR15 to a paintball match and say "well you guys should have brought better guns... maybe next time you'll be as good as me" as that's EXACTLY what queuing Skype fotms in PUGs is. Now is that dude whom brought that gun to a paintball match looking for competition? Or just gaining pleasure in dominating? If he were looking for competition, he'd join an even match... not go into one knowing he'll dominate. Logic.


Just a little bit of cherry to top things

Pop off my dick. I'm going to vote for whatever I'm passionate about. Not disband any personal opinion that is contrary to any popular belief.



You said I was a "cunt" to you in the thread I linked above (still having a hard time seeing that as the truth). Since then you've been at my belt every chance you can get and even going so far as to now insult my gameplay? Even though I've since apologized to you... here you are begging for that juicy load as you always are. I can always, always, depend on you to give my name relevancy despite me looking to just do my own thing and having 0 desire in such. Being insulted by you on gameplay it's quite interesting, as the only times I've ever seen you ever so much as kill me in any PUG over the past few years, no matter what classes we were on, were the small handful of times you've ambushed me me at low HP. I don't really care what you think, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have a giggle at your attempts of insulting me lol.

Ignorance at its finest


Goodnight.

At least I read all of the responses in retort to my posts. Whether or not I agree with them or not is another matter... I read and respond to content of posts, not the name of the person whom posted said content like 99% of TI users do. Say what you will, but literally refusing to read a post because of the name of someone whom posted it or the length of said post on a text forum is 100% quintessential ignorance. People bitching about post length on a forum... That's like opening a text book and bitching that it's not spark notes. How idiotic could you get? I don't care if you read my posts or not... but when I make many uncontestedly good points yet they fail to make it through the earmuffs of ignorance, that's no longer on me, that's on them. As to how I'm "ignorant" when I've always tried my best to see every angle of every situation is beyond me. Keep arguing subjective opinions (redundancy intended) with 0 concrete supporting evidence. Still happy to read any and all evidence of my presumed ignorance / murder of the 19s bracket in my inbox in attempts to reduce derailment. You're however entitled to your opinion, I'm not going to play this "you're ignorant" "no you're ignorant for calling me ignorant" game with you.


I'll take this as a compliment as Curley is probably more of a "man" by gender norms than most of us here.

I'll add gifs and videos as well this time!


Edit [MENTION=2555]Dorigon[/MENTION] did you apply for mod yet? Back when Silin, Shane and I were staff they asked opinions for moderators and I said "You're going to hate me for this one because he's the biggest troll on the site... but Dorigon" Honestly nobody knows how to bob and weave between the lines of the CoC the way you did... In order to do such, one must have a good understanding of said CoC.

It's like you're [MENTION=13421]Allybeboba[/MENTION] 's prodigy except you wear gloves with no fingertips

/yuck

 

[Allybeboba]

Pls tell me when was the last time u saw me flyhack over the map? 1 month ago? the first few days i did it?
''every single bg'' lol go watch all vods of the past 3 weeks, ill give u 200k gold personally if u find any
Don't get stuck in the past or I will bring some things bout ur past up aswell

I suppose, to some grasshoppers, a month ago does seem like a long long time ago.

[MENTION=710]Zeiren[/MENTION] does bring up some valid points. Many of us have seen EVERY expansion go by and have adapted to it. I could care less about recognizing people in a BG and being recognized. My epeen does not require the stroking from TI members. Although, other TI members lust and desire to get it stroked each and every day!

/cheers

 

[Zeiren]

I suppose, to some grasshoppers, a month ago does seem like a long long time ago.

Zeiren does bring up some valid points. Many of us have seen EVERY expansion go by and have adapted to it. I could care less about recognizing people in a BG and being recognized. My epeen does not require the stroking from TI members. Although, other TI members lust and desire to get it stroked each and every day!

/cheers

farming pizza, kancer, and those like allybeboba bring so much satisfaction, some just cannot bear to lose that feeling.

 

[Skeezin]

More NWL teams more stream viewers more battle grounds, more people on TI, more GG19 applicants, bigger guilds on BH, new guilds on other servers.

the exposure is there already there though lmao, if people wanted to play twinks they would have already done so before now

i get that you come from 24s and you personally wouldnt mind playing with afk broccolis with no gear just to be part of a bigger player pool but speaking from current experiences it does nothing but slow down games and turn regulars away from queuing up

how healthy will that be for the existing community when its literally every fucking game and we may as well give up on the idea of any sort of team play because the majority of the people in each game are just there to get their honor and move on to the next levelling bracket

 

[Ebah]

i don't see a reason against it, especially given how much it would breathe life back into the dead brackets. it'd be cool if they made it so that if there were enough xp-off queued they were put in their own BG but not blocked from normal BG's until then

 

[Conq]

the exposure is there already there though lmao, if people wanted to play twinks they would have already done so before now

i get that you come from 24s and you personally wouldnt mind playing with afk broccolis with no gear just to be part of a bigger player pool but speaking from current experiences it does nothing but slow down games and turn regulars away from queuing up

I hear all the time from folks who don't know twinking Is around still. The exposure Is minimal all in all. I'm not from 24s lol that's just when I developed a reputation