Holypowah
Is a noob
Warriors need a snare and a interupt to do fine.
Warriors nerfed to the ground!
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Warriors need a snare and a interupt to do fine.
Alphasky
Legend
Looks like you do need to play one in order to understand.............regardless of you playing alongside warriors you are still blind and clueless !
cause you would know that :
Your execute has to be timed perfectly with all the healing now and not to mention that you musn't use your rage for 4-10 sec to have execute ready for your target when it drops under 20% HP
Problem with execute is that it's there but often you can't use it !
Also you would know how many of your attacks are missed/dodged/parried and when they do hit,they do 200-450 dmg ( aside execute ofc )
We've become spectators/support/side help now in BG's
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Xaviness
Legend
Ahem, hangin on the ptr!
Dw alpha, i will help you to fight world of palacraft!
Publ1c3n3my
Legend
Alright, i just had to make an account and post
It went from very underpowered to...completely unplayable, as of at the moment
We lost a finisher(throw), shout, snare, bleed, we cannot stance dance anymore to gain extra rage(3 sec cd),but worst of all, our damage is so minisculine 1 rejuv tick is enough to nullify it. ONE.rejuv.tick.We are the first ones to die,especially without heals,you cant stealth like druids/rogues,you cant sprint like paladins,and while the ranged dps can sit and laugh at your sorry hide,waiting you to respawn. We are prone to disarms, roots, webs,slows, you name it,while that druid or that paladin does not have to worry about either of that.Every single class, besides us starts out with 100, lets say, RAGE.Thats right, lets say, rogues start with 100 rage instead of energy.Druids start with 100 rage, and so do hunters. But do we?No, the rage system became pathetic, i am constantly getting spammed "not enough rage".As you said, why not we just all make rage potions?Well,to give a more precise answer, with the shattering, most mobs who dropped the claws got removed from the game, and those which didnt have a 0.01 drop chance
Now, oniyui, as the wise people of this forum said, you have to play one in order to understand. Since you seem to have alot of alliance characters, it is time to change sides. I suggest you roll a horde belf warrior(only worthy race, others are garbage, the arcane torrent can mean a diffrence between a dead FC and a live one;the extra rage generated from it also helps with execute).
Now,changing topic.lets say.Hunters. Shall we?Today i saw a 24 warrior raging, and i actually felt sorry for the guy since i know what it feels like(but wait, they are 24s, made to destroy our noobish characters). At least he had the balls not to roll another boomkin balance or shadow priest. Props to you ,nameless 24 warrior in that bg. But yes, he was getting kited by a hunter...and lost.
Let me tell you how much CC a BM hunter can push out
pet
intimidation
narrow escape
scatter
concussive
You will just die a slower, painful death due to the resilence.His arrows are still hitting 100 dmg per shot, explosive shot is still ticking for 50 dmg(50x4=200 dmg), so, eventually you will die.You have no gap closers(other then your charge, and only worthy spec is juggernaut,perhaps warbringer for support).So you have to wait 12 seconds before it can recharge, while he is skeying and pelting you with 100 damage arcane shots.Sounds fun.As far as i can see, even decked out 24 warriors cant take this much CC. And that is just ONE hunter.
I asked that 24 how pummel was.And he said it was meh.And i would actually agree. Theoretically, even if we are to have pummel,it would still be IMPOSSIBLE to dps down a healer. Even with 2 silences(torrent+pummel) i doubt i could send that druid back to the gy.Not happening,especially in games with 5+ druids.
Can we 1 vs 1 any class?No, we cant.I just had a rogue open up on me,with 619 ambush crit.Thats half of my HP.Trial rogue, just like me, not even a 24 one. What can i do, run away?I cant, not with poison.I cant gain enough distance to charge. All i can do is dismount and fight back.If by any chance, i get a lucky 300 crit mortal strike,followed by a even more lucky 400 crit slam, that said rogue can just pop evasion.Then ,what am i suppose to do, when my every attack is getting dodged or parried while i am getting hit for 700 evis combos?Hm lets see what do i have...i have Taunt!Yes, i should taunt the said rogue. I wont even go into the damage of 24 rogues with agility enchants
Can we provide any support of buffs to our team?Sure, i can debuff 12% armor ,reduce healing by 25%( which wont do much),and stun for 3 seconds.Now,lets talk about other utility classes.Hunters,Yes,back to hunters. On top of all that CC, they can enhance their team with an array of buffs like roar of sacrifice,hyena, wolf,hunter's mark etc.What can we do?None of that.Once efc gets 10 stacks, hunters can easily mop the floor due to what a full focus dump will easily pin him down.
Other OP class i noticed,protection paladins. They can toss 3 heals to their teammates, toss a cleanse, 6 second stun, lay on hands, aoe silence......650 shield crits...holy damage cannot be mitigated by armor..whie i am hitting patethic 200 damage on mail.
(
Now, back to that 24 warrior.When i checked the scoreboard, his damage was....15k less then the alliance trial druid's.Even with those 9 str enchants, crusader, gear,he could not outdamage a unenchanted character. That scoreboard just pretty much showed the gap between classes(arent 24;s suppose to beat 20s in every way?)
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Well,as far as i can remember,low level warriors have not always been underpowered in bgs(anyone remember them with pre-vengeance nerf in tbc?500 shield slam dmg/1000 crits easy on a 19....i hope it returns to those glory days of lowbie warriors). Altrough blizzard does not endorse, or care about low level pvp,and i doubt a major patch or hotfix is coming our way.They are too busy patching the new content or releasing new items....there is no way i am playing this game,and if i am its probably time to move on other brackets like 39s
It went from very underpowered to...completely unplayable, as of at the moment
We lost a finisher(throw), shout, snare, bleed, we cannot stance dance anymore to gain extra rage(3 sec cd),but worst of all, our damage is so minisculine 1 rejuv tick is enough to nullify it. ONE.rejuv.tick.We are the first ones to die,especially without heals,you cant stealth like druids/rogues,you cant sprint like paladins,and while the ranged dps can sit and laugh at your sorry hide,waiting you to respawn. We are prone to disarms, roots, webs,slows, you name it,while that druid or that paladin does not have to worry about either of that.Every single class, besides us starts out with 100, lets say, RAGE.Thats right, lets say, rogues start with 100 rage instead of energy.Druids start with 100 rage, and so do hunters. But do we?No, the rage system became pathetic, i am constantly getting spammed "not enough rage".As you said, why not we just all make rage potions?Well,to give a more precise answer, with the shattering, most mobs who dropped the claws got removed from the game, and those which didnt have a 0.01 drop chance
Now, oniyui, as the wise people of this forum said, you have to play one in order to understand. Since you seem to have alot of alliance characters, it is time to change sides. I suggest you roll a horde belf warrior(only worthy race, others are garbage, the arcane torrent can mean a diffrence between a dead FC and a live one;the extra rage generated from it also helps with execute).
Now,changing topic.lets say.Hunters. Shall we?Today i saw a 24 warrior raging, and i actually felt sorry for the guy since i know what it feels like(but wait, they are 24s, made to destroy our noobish characters). At least he had the balls not to roll another boomkin balance or shadow priest. Props to you ,nameless 24 warrior in that bg. But yes, he was getting kited by a hunter...and lost.
Let me tell you how much CC a BM hunter can push out
pet
intimidation
narrow escape
scatter
concussive
You will just die a slower, painful death due to the resilence.His arrows are still hitting 100 dmg per shot, explosive shot is still ticking for 50 dmg(50x4=200 dmg), so, eventually you will die.You have no gap closers(other then your charge, and only worthy spec is juggernaut,perhaps warbringer for support).So you have to wait 12 seconds before it can recharge, while he is skeying and pelting you with 100 damage arcane shots.Sounds fun.As far as i can see, even decked out 24 warriors cant take this much CC. And that is just ONE hunter.
I asked that 24 how pummel was.And he said it was meh.And i would actually agree. Theoretically, even if we are to have pummel,it would still be IMPOSSIBLE to dps down a healer. Even with 2 silences(torrent+pummel) i doubt i could send that druid back to the gy.Not happening,especially in games with 5+ druids.
Can we 1 vs 1 any class?No, we cant.I just had a rogue open up on me,with 619 ambush crit.Thats half of my HP.Trial rogue, just like me, not even a 24 one. What can i do, run away?I cant, not with poison.I cant gain enough distance to charge. All i can do is dismount and fight back.If by any chance, i get a lucky 300 crit mortal strike,followed by a even more lucky 400 crit slam, that said rogue can just pop evasion.Then ,what am i suppose to do, when my every attack is getting dodged or parried while i am getting hit for 700 evis combos?Hm lets see what do i have...i have Taunt!Yes, i should taunt the said rogue. I wont even go into the damage of 24 rogues with agility enchants
Can we provide any support of buffs to our team?Sure, i can debuff 12% armor ,reduce healing by 25%( which wont do much),and stun for 3 seconds.Now,lets talk about other utility classes.Hunters,Yes,back to hunters. On top of all that CC, they can enhance their team with an array of buffs like roar of sacrifice,hyena, wolf,hunter's mark etc.What can we do?None of that.Once efc gets 10 stacks, hunters can easily mop the floor due to what a full focus dump will easily pin him down.
Other OP class i noticed,protection paladins. They can toss 3 heals to their teammates, toss a cleanse, 6 second stun, lay on hands, aoe silence......650 shield crits...holy damage cannot be mitigated by armor..whie i am hitting patethic 200 damage on mail.
(
Now, back to that 24 warrior.When i checked the scoreboard, his damage was....15k less then the alliance trial druid's.Even with those 9 str enchants, crusader, gear,he could not outdamage a unenchanted character. That scoreboard just pretty much showed the gap between classes(arent 24;s suppose to beat 20s in every way?)
.
Well,as far as i can remember,low level warriors have not always been underpowered in bgs(anyone remember them with pre-vengeance nerf in tbc?500 shield slam dmg/1000 crits easy on a 19....i hope it returns to those glory days of lowbie warriors). Altrough blizzard does not endorse, or care about low level pvp,and i doubt a major patch or hotfix is coming our way.They are too busy patching the new content or releasing new items....there is no way i am playing this game,and if i am its probably time to move on other brackets like 39s
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inoobupro
Banned
hunters no longer spawn with full focus
but ya..warriors have always been more of a support class. In cata you just died quicker.
Hmm I havent lost to a hunter 24 or 20 on my friends .ahem 24 warrior, 20 is a whole different story you are still a free hk without heals
You type like I do, but thats the only way to get a point across ,imo
but ya..warriors have always been more of a support class. In cata you just died quicker.
Hmm I havent lost to a hunter 24 or 20 on my friends .ahem 24 warrior, 20 is a whole different story you are still a free hk without heals
You type like I do, but thats the only way to get a point across ,imo
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Ferro
Legend
inoobupro, I actually remember beating your/your friends 24 warrior about 2 weeks ago in a duel with my hunter. Unfortunately the OP is right, warriors have not been buffed and without pocketheals it's difficult against anyone with serious gear. For that you have to roll a prot paly which tons of people are doing.
I think it would take just a bit more DMG for the warrior to be more viable, or the snare but at this point you just have to love the class for other reasons to play it a lot. It can still be fun, especially with healers. But you have to know what to expect (being kited to the end of the world by hunters, not standing a chance against healers because of little cc).
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Mephisto
Legend
Good news everyone!
Charge Stuns now DR once more, after they had reverted it before because it made charge useless. That goes for the Warbringer talent as well. /facepalm,
EDIT: Or should I say when they patch it in, that it will DR into immunity, which will make Warbringer and Double Time useless...
Charge Stuns now DR once more, after they had reverted it before because it made charge useless. That goes for the Warbringer talent as well. /facepalm,
EDIT: Or should I say when they patch it in, that it will DR into immunity, which will make Warbringer and Double Time useless...
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youakim
Guest
Warbringer was always on DR...?
Mephisto
Legend
I never got the DR when I used it, on live, or on the PTR. it was always the same duration. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if it only DR'ed off other charge stuns, because thats pretty stupid. but I remember back when they put a DR on it, and I would charge into an immunity and if two or three warriors charged the same person, psh, forget about it. I just don't know if its right that it DR's off itself especially with Double time and Juggernaut.
youakim
Guest
Warbringer was always on a dr, but with it being on a 20 seconds cooldown and only lasting 3 seconds, you would have had to use it between 20-21 seconds after your first charge for it to dr. 18(dr timer thingy)+3(warbringer stun time)=21, and the cooldown is only 20.
Oniyui
Legend
Nakedplumber
Tink
Warriors seem to be doing fine
Ferro
Legend
obv premade bis warriors can do well but with equal gear, it's hard against most classes.
"easily 1v1 most things" so warrior 1v1 vs paly, druid, priest, shaman, hunter - yeah, you must be seeing things.
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Mephisto
Legend
Well, the point is if it DRs on itself, when you are charging the same target again, and again, it makes 2/3 of the first tier talents pretty much useless since we can DR into an immunity again, after blizz said it hurt our mobility they reverted it, but then they bring it back, because it was a bug. it might as well just be Shadow Step without the instant teleportation and speed boost -.-
youakim
Guest
I agree that putting regular charge really hurts warrior utility/mobility, just something else they didn't need :/
Holypowah
Is a noob
Well, heres how other classes own warriors:
Rogue- Outdps the warrior and the warrior can"t even hit the rogue.
Paladin- They can heal so they eventually kill the warrior
Druid- Do I even need to talk about this?
Shaman- A good warrior may be able to solo an enhancement shaman. As for the other specs, not a chance.
Warlocks- Again, there warrior may beat Demo and affliction but destructo is impossible
Hunter- Kite warriors all day and eventually killing the warrior
Mage- Same as hunter
Priest- They could kill 3 warriors at once if they're good.
Did I miss any classes?
Rogue- Outdps the warrior and the warrior can"t even hit the rogue.
Paladin- They can heal so they eventually kill the warrior
Druid- Do I even need to talk about this?
Shaman- A good warrior may be able to solo an enhancement shaman. As for the other specs, not a chance.
Warlocks- Again, there warrior may beat Demo and affliction but destructo is impossible
Hunter- Kite warriors all day and eventually killing the warrior
Mage- Same as hunter
Priest- They could kill 3 warriors at once if they're good.
Did I miss any classes?
kwatee
Legend
MONK stupid newb
inoobupro
Banned
at one point you said swoops was the best mage(and hes p2p) in the f2p bracket.
Nothing productive ever seems to come out of these topics anyways - from either side of the "debate".
yeah this place is easy to troll but idc if i type in essays, most of what I say is true.