Thread for US Morons to Bitch about the opposing faction.

[OGDarrel]

Your logic is exactly backwards. The faction with the quickest queue has the fewest players. Horde often suffers 15 min+ wait times, aka we have way more players in the queue.

I see what youre saying, but from my experience of playing often, i see the same 10-12 players from horde side constantly. That suggests that you guys are waiting longer (15 min+ queue times) from either your faction for the 39 bracket not having too many players queued in quantities of tens or there being too many waiting compared to alliance players queued. The result of waiting can be the same until you hit queues long enough for 5+ players grouped never getting queue pops because the system cant find a place for them. Hence getting into premade vs premade matches when doing so
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Do you think that use of FAPs promotes moral and competitive gameplay?

Yes, at this bracket I do. At lvl 39 you have like 80% the toolkit available at endgame. Do i feel the same way about 19s? No. Using faps at 19 can definitely force an outcome of the game.
The games developers have a history of making items unavailable for pvp related gameplay. Faps in battlegrounds has never been considerred an item in this manner.

ding ding ding! we have a winner! there's 3 different ways to get on that cart that I know of.

Darrel's just mad he couldn't get past my 33 hunter and had to come cry on the forums

Lol im not mad about you at all. Although there may be 3 ways to get onto that cart that you are aware of, there are no ways to get onto that cart with a frost trap layed down, and natures grasp / green whelp armor on kek constantly. I applaud how you were playing, i use green whelp when running flags, but the combination of what was going on that game was exploitative. The results at the end are the proof. A 56 minute game with zero flags capped by keklol and a shit ton of kills by the majority of alliance players in mid. I dont condone that type of playstyle that kek was exhibiting and was simply showing it. Yes i was mad. Thats what this thread is for.

 

[ReckoningOG]

ding ding ding! we have a winner! there's 3 different ways to get on that cart that I know of.

Darrel's just mad he couldn't get past my 33 hunter and had to come cry on the forums

The cart is definitely doable by everyone. Just like the guys crying about alliance fence is doable by everyone.

 

[OGDarrel]

The cart is definitely doable by everyone. Just like the guys crying about alliance fence is doable by everyone.

Alliance fence is not doable by anyone. Dwarves cant jump through like undead can. the 19 bracket is filled with UD warriors slipping through (not hopping over).

 

[Outofspace]

It's only easy for female UD though, I promise that it's not a trivial jump for male.

 

[Misda]

Just like the guys crying about alliance fence is doable by everyone.

There's multiple alliance fence spots. Two spots where only certain classes/genders can literally just walk through it (some without even having to hit spacebar), and one spot where everyone can slowly hop over (with varying degrees of ease).

 

[Druiddroid]

The games developers have a history of making items unavailable for pvp related gameplay. Faps in battlegrounds has never been considerred an item in this manner.

Which items were made unavailable for pvp related gameplay in battlegrounds?
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Using faps at 19 can definitely force an outcome of the game.

They can't force the outcome of the game at 39s?

 

[OGDarrel]

Which items were made unavailable for pvp related gameplay in battlegrounds?
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They can't force the outcome of the game at 39s?

At a point in the game they forced Rocket Boots, Gnomish ,Goblin, BC rocket boots, to drop the flag if you used them while you were holding just like bubble, for example.

When it comes to safespotting, Ive been playing this game since it literally came out. We all discovered ways back in the day to do things like you do, like getting out of flag room before game starts, hopping behind cap spot and getting under map, hell, even getting into the WSG map without going through the portal to play the objective game it was intended for. Blizzard has never approved of this stuff. Theyve gone as far as changing maps completely because of it. Why? They want the game to be fair and competitive.

Faps can force the outcome of a 19 game because there is almost nothing in the skill toolkit to counteract it. Refer to Sogekings post about things 39s can do to stop/change the outcome at 39. I dont blame anyone for using faps in the 39 bracket. You used one to get out of flag room? cool. if my team doesnt counteract you at mid when the buff wears off or chain fears/alternate CC you in flag room for using one, thats our fault you capped, /clap for you. You know how I feel about this during that game. After our 45 minute ordeal you tried to fap out of our flag room how many times? every time you did it I just did as well. You got to mid ONCE. Case in Point.

 

[Druiddroid]

Faps can force the outcome of a 19 game because there is almost nothing in the skill toolkit to counteract it. Refer to Sogekings post about things 39s can do to stop/change the outcome at 39.

The skills that counteract it at 39 are still limited, as I explained in my response to them. Slows and stuns are the most reliable and consistent forms of CC.

I dont blame anyone for using faps in the 39 bracket. You used one to get out of flag room? cool. if my team doesnt counteract you at mid when the buff wears off or chain fears/alternate CC you in flag room for using one, thats our fault you capped, /clap for you. You know how I feel about this during that game. After our 45 minute ordeal you tried to fap out of our flag room how many times? every time you did it I just did as well. You got to mid ONCE. Case in Point.

I don't blame anyone either. Like you said, it's a usable item in the game. The thing that confuses me is how it's different from safespotting in its morality and competitiveness. Safespotting is less moral and discourages competitive play more than FAPping, but I believe FAPping a lot is also not moral or competitive.

But, if you believe that it's your team's fault that I capped in that hypothetical situation you said, I can understand why you think this way and that line of thinking does make sense. I disagree that FAPs cannot force the outcome of a game at 39s and I believe in that hypothetical situation, it's definitely a game changer, especially in a bracket with no mounts where the people in the flag room usually can't keep up with the FAPping FC. So in conclusion, I'll agree to disagree.

 

[OGDarrel]

The skills that counteract it at 39 are still limited, as I explained in my response to them. Slows and stuns are the most reliable and consistent forms of CC.

I don't blame anyone either. Like you said, it's a usable item in the game. The thing that confuses me is how it's different from safespotting in its morality and competitiveness. Safespotting is less moral and discourages competitive play more than FAPping, but I believe FAPping a lot is also not moral or competitive.

But, if you believe that it's your team's fault that I capped in that hypothetical situation you said, I can understand why you think this way and that line of thinking does make sense. I disagree that FAPs cannot force the outcome of a game at 39s and I believe in that hypothetical situation, it's definitely a game changer, especially in a bracket with no mounts where the people in the flag room usually can't keep up with the FAPping FC. So in conclusion, I'll agree to disagree.

No one can stop a flag running specced druid safespotting on that cart with natures grasp, thunderstomp, and green whelp armor on with the gy jump and leaf as close as they are. especially if they cant get up there because the entire area is surrounded by 2 flares and a frost trap. Its 99% gauranteed get away every time. The proof of this is in how long that game lasted vs the dilemma vs the outcome.
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The skills that counteract it at 39 are still limited, as I explained in my response to them. Slows and stuns are the most reliable and consistent forms of CC.

Slows* are the most reliable and consistent forms of CC. Stuns are only in that catagory if you play Horde. 2/3 of every class capable of playing orc on horde does. Orcs have essentially a 25% FAP chance per hit. I cant count how many times Ive had to waste prep as a rogue that already gave up specific talents I could benefit from to increase my hit by 3%. Maybe thats why alliance is better at downing FAPing players and complains about it less.... were more used to variables in the game? /shrug

 

[ReckoningOG]

There's multiple alliance fence spots. Two spots where only certain classes/genders can literally just walk through it (some without even having to hit spacebar), and one spot where everyone can slowly hop over (with varying degrees of ease).

The same for the horde fence. Races on both factions can make it. My UD mage makes the alliance fence just as easy as my Human mage, they also fail at the part in horde fence where my dwarf and Tauren make it with ease. My Nelf makes it over the alliance fence right next to where my human walks through it just as fast.

 

[Druiddroid]

No one can stop a flag running specced druid safespotting on that cart with natures grasp, thunderstomp, and green whelp armor on with the gy jump and leaf as close as they are. especially if they cant get up there because the entire area is surrounded by 2 flares and a frost trap. Its 99% gauranteed get away every time. The proof of this is in how long that game lasted vs the dilemma vs the outcome.

Not sure what natures grasp, thunderstomp, and green whelp armor has to do with safespotting. In my opinion, those 3 things are fair game. I agree that safespotting such as this is immoral, creates dilemmas, and hinders competitive gameplay.

Slows* are the most reliable and consistent forms of CC. Stuns are only in that catagory if you play Horde. 2/3 of every class capable of playing orc on horde does. Orcs have essentially a 25% FAP chance per hit. I cant count how many times Ive had to waste prep as a rogue that already gave up specific talents I could benefit from to increase my hit by 3%.

Fair point. Not sure what that has to do with FAPs.

Maybe thats why alliance is better at downing FAPing players and complains about it less.... were more used to variables in the game? /shrug

Why do you suspect this? Is there evidence you can provide?

 

[TherealDrHankMcCoy]

Ill have you know that Keklol didnt tell me to do shit thank you very much.... the double flare was my idea.

The terrorist leader Becky speaks! It speaks!

 

[Alîce :-)]

 

[TherealDrHankMcCoy]

I shall be back soon. Tech support from India has committed treason and gave my brand new gaming PC a virus to convince me to buy their useless antivirus software. But I have insurance. I shall acquire a new PC soon. Tryhard India tech support thought they can troll me. But you can't troll a master tryhard. As far as playing another game, Sekiro is not just another casual game. It is a hardcore game meant for the master tryhard. Sekiro although I have beaten it in the past, it will forever have my tryheart. Figured Hauntz and Becky would support Sekiro since Activision took some part in making the game. But I guess they are not tryhard enough brother. It is not for the faint of heart. The journey is far and wide and treacherous, a trash mob can easily kill you. Even our mighty king Asmongold tried to master Sekiro in support of Activision but unfortunately King Asmongold failed and rage quit Sekiro. But no I have not quit exposing horde terrorists. I shall have a new PC soon brother.

 

[Bigcityslams]

The alliance druid named Nugznodrugz is definitely on my radar. I'm not saying he was glitching 100 percent but it's strange that he was fine running up to grab the flag and then right after he grabs it he starts warping around the flag room. All I could do is instant cast on him. Anytime I tried to mind blast him it said he wasn't in front of me. Nobody else was warping around so I know it wasn't my connection. After he got out of our base he was fine. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because maybe his connection fluctuated but it was a very timely coincidence. Anyone else seen this before?

 

[Outofspace]

I've gone vs Nugz a bunch, never noticed anything untoward, bit I haven't faced him in a while.

 

[OGDarrel]

The alliance druid named Nugznodrugz is definitely on my radar. I'm not saying he was glitching 100 percent but it's strange that he was fine running up to grab the flag and then right after he grabs it he starts warping around the flag room. All I could do is instant cast on him. Anytime I tried to mind blast him it said he wasn't in front of me. Nobody else was warping around so I know it wasn't my connection. After he got out of our base he was fine. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because maybe his connection fluctuated but it was a very timely coincidence. Anyone else seen this before?

We saw this happen with a shaman from fairbanks the other night too, but after the first cap that we thought he might have been lag switching he ended up DCing out of the game. Most likely just a bad connection on the druids side.


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Alliance has a druid!?

 

[Bigcityslams]

We saw this happen with a shaman from fairbanks the other night too, but after the first cap that we thought he might have been lag switching he ended up DCing out of the game. Most likely just a bad connection on the druids side.


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Alliance has a druid!?

I'm done giving the benefit of the doubt now. I just saw another rogue do it name Anthraxjoe. It's funny that it always happens in critical situations like trying to get the flag out of our flag room or defending their flag carrier in their base. I asked my buddy who has been on the PVP rank grind and he said he sees it a lot. My guess is they are inducing latency somehow. Either way it's pathetic and anyone using it should be blacklisted. I'm going to start recording my games so I can shame them.

 

[Reply]

Safespotting Boofhoof.
You got owned by me so many times had to resort to cart safe spoting. This is so funny, why can't people win by playing the game with their normal skills. So sad. GG you lil bitch.

 

[Sanit]

Safespotting Boofhoof.
You got owned by me so many times had to resort to cart safe spoting. This is so funny, why can't people win by playing the game with their normal skills. So sad. GG you lil bitch.

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