EU+US Thread Against Legion PVP Changes!

[l30t53dd6p]

Who knows maybe ilvls will scale differently at 19 and 110. It is after all a lot harder to achieve a gap in ilvls at lower levels then it is at higher ones

Holinka already stated that there wouldnt be any difference between how it will work at 110 and anything below that. Even if they would change it, I doubt it will change much and just tweeking. (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743024723#10)

As it now stands 1 ilvl is 0,1% increase in power. Seeing druid for example with the live wowhead database you can get max to ilvl 44 that is 20 ilvl above the standard ilvl for the 10-19 bracket which will be the same as the looms scale now in bg ilvl24. 20 ilvl*0,1= 2% maximum increase. Click my druid in my sig, I do not have all highest ilvl items but you can calculate max ilvl that druid can get with with MVQ list (I can still increse cloak and shoulder ilvl, I do not have jutebraid gloves to go all the way). Grandfathered gear is going to matter but slightly.

Anyway @Incredabull , as soon as instanced pvp is getting opened up and able to test all of what is comming on the Alpha I will make a big topic about these changes. I fully agree with you. I have lost dodge twinks, I have lost haste twinks, I have lost many more things due to changes and this will take the cream of the cake. I don't like it either

 

[Lally]

Holinka already stated that there wouldnt be any difference between how it will work at 110 and anything below that. Even if they would change it, I doubt it will change much and just tweeking.

As it now stands 1 ilvl is 0,1% increase in power. Seeing druid for example with the live wowhead database you can get max to ilvl 44 that is 20 ilvl above the standard ilvl for the 10-19 bracket which will be the same as the looms scale now in bg ilvl24. 20 ilvl*0,1= 2% maximum increase. Click my druid in my sig, I do not have all highest ilvl items but you can calculate max ilvl that druid can get with with MVQ list (I can still increse cloak and shoulder ilvl, I do not have juebraid gloves). Grandfathered gear is going to matter but slightly.

I'm fully aware of how item scaling is currently. This was just an example of the we don't know till it's live and a why are you posting this to OP.

Your Druid has many more items missing than those three to be highest item level just an fyi

 

[l30t53dd6p]

I'm fully aware of how item scaling is currently. This was just an example of the we don't know till it's live

Because the biggest pvp designer said so.

and a why are you posting this to OP.

A fully general reaction to what ive seen and read in this thread.

Your Druid has many more items missing than those three to be highest item level just an fyi

MVQs list is accurate. The only possible item I might have forgotten is the STV fishing tournament trinket. Now claiming my druid has many more items missing.. you better show and back that up. Now you are just shooting blanks. Wise master.

 

[Lally]

Because the biggest pvp designer said so.

I agree with you on this... don't understand the rage

A fully general reaction to what ive seen and read in this thread.

OP=original poster not you...

MVQs list is accurate. The only possible item I might have forgotten is the STV fishing tournament trinket. Now claiming my druid has many more items missing.. you better show and back that up. Now you are just shooting blanks. Wise master.

I'm not going to look up gear for you atm but your head (with the same item classification as your neck, rings, trinkets, and off-hand), bracers, belt(with a GF'd item tho), gloves(GF'd or not), belt(GF'd), trinkets (STV one or Insignia), and off-hand all should be replaced

I'm not about to start the goggle or trinket argument again but there's no reason to be ruling these out as in game currently they effect your average item level

 

[l30t53dd6p]

I agree with you on this... don't understand the rage

Geesh man, your a try hard arent you.

OP=original poster not you...

There is nothing you can educate me about buddy.

I'm not going to look up gear for you atm but your head (with the same item classification as your neck, rings, trinkets, and off-hand), bracers, belt(with a GF'd item tho), gloves(GF'd or not), belt(GF'd), trinkets (STV one or Insignia), and off-hand all should be replaced

I'm not about to start the goggle or trinket argument again but there's no reason to be ruling these out as in game currently they effect your average item level

Shoots blanks again. Why do you need even to look up items again, you knew it was wrong didnt you.. your arguments are failing buddy.

 

[Lally]

Geesh man, your a try hard arent you.


There is nothing you can educate me about buddy.


Shoots blanks again. Why do you need even to look up items again, you knew it was wrong didnt you.. your arguments are failing buddy.

Alright as with the other thread I'm done with you.

 

[Brokeboi]

Will they still have xp off bg's seperate from xp on if gear doesnt matter?

 

[Incredabull]

Thats cool, I really dont care if you disagree. But whoever said "I will still have different sets for different things" Is silly... You will have a PREDETERMINED SET OF STATS FOR YOUR SPEC.... You will have to change specs to get the stats you desire.. NOT YOUR GEAR. Go read.

 

[Tom Ganks]

Enchants need to go. Gear advantage? No.

 

[Mvq]

That would be me. I plan on having different sets of gear. Because I plan on doing different things. I don't exclusively play BGs. If you do, you are short changing yourself. Naturally, that is one's own choice.

Have wonderful weekend!!

The save with the World pvp after appearing moronic.

 

[Conq]

There is no doubt going to be a lot of fundamental changes, and with that comes uncharted territory, and saying good bye to old ways of being and adjusting to new ones.

I'm very optimistic that Legion will breath new life into twinks and max level PvP, if not i'll do everything I can to prevent us from going into another dark age of Twinking.

 

[Conq]

I agree with you wholeheartedly!!
As I state before each and every expansion, this is not something we should dread. Change is something we should embrace. Without it the game would be stale. Tw1nking has always been about getting the most out of the game and manipulation of the the "system". We will adapt. We always have. We have been adapting for a decade. If we did not adapt tinking would have died long ago. This expansion will be no different than the others.
Darwin's Law will prevail just like it has done before.

No doubt, but I've also been disappointed by all the expansion except TBC. Still, plan for success, anticipate failure.

 

[Incredabull]

That would be me. I plan on having different sets of gear. Because I plan on doing different things. I don't exclusively play BGs. If you do, you are short changing yourself. Naturally, that is one's own choice.

Have wonderful weekend!!

Thats good for you, im glad you have other things you can do - but for me, I mostly enjoy BG's.

I do in some ways agree with what Conq said. I think there is always a silverlining when experiencing change, even within a videogame. That is why this entire thread was simply made to express myself and why I personally dont want these changes. I dont think Blizz is going to see my thread and be like.. WAIT! This one level 19 doesnt like what we're doing. I just wanted to see what you goons had to say, and I think ive heard enough lol.

 

[Mvq]

And people acting exactly as I predicted. And still at it.

This is what ignorance is kids. An old man named Allybeboba saves his moronic appearance by changing his original point.

 

[Mvq]

And the insults continue to fly!! Kek...
At least try cooking up some new ones.

It's not an insult if it's true.

 

[Goesid]

And the insults continue to fly!! Kek...
At least try cooking up some new ones.

Well if you don't want to be insulted sstop acting so stupid. And you were throwing out insults earlier in the thread.

 

[Batts]

Naw, the truth can be plenty insulting, and it is in his case. That's why his only recourse if he's going to "stick to his guns" after saying something completely and utterly meaningless/irrelevant to the topic at hand(and being called out for it) is to complain about being told off and adopt a holier-than-thou your-parents-didn't-raise-you-right stance, and then a "try harder" from there.

People need to understand that alleybeboper is nearing senility and just treat him like they would a demented relative. A quick pat on the head and gently divert direction back to the topic.

That being said, more than template-based gearing(which is really, really odd to me in an MMO setting that's always been about gear attainment) I'm interested/worried about the new "status quo" in regards to class balance. So many skills getting rearranged, along with coefficients etc. Live is going to be a very rocky road for a bit while people figure out the new meta, if 19s still turns out to be fun after the changes. I'm seeing a lot more high damage instants than before.

 

[Goesid]

Again, I ask you to quote that quote in #7 and I will delete my account. Or did you edit it. If so, you should be the one that is doing the deleting for slanderous activities.

As always you run away from what you did...

 

[Jva]

Still pulling the world pvp argument .
And to the ppl who think he is trolling. He isnt, he really got some serious mental problems

 

[Batts]

I consider I am "bad".

mm, yeah, ok young man. You made nothing but valid points that everyone here respects, so you can move on now

Anyways, once again back to the real topic, it's hard to say without knowing what these "stat templates" will scale out to, but burst and instant damage is seeming pretty insane(destro locks with spammable shadowburn? SV hunters and warriors look insane too), along with a few healers. Druids losing travel form is going to be huge as well. This is honestly going to be the single largest change to the bracket we've ever faced, and I hope it survives as a fun and at least semi-balanced experience. I'm pretty worried, even with double rejuvs and priest's spammable low mana instant heal etc that the damage is going to outstrip the healing.