Thoughts about the F2P bracket

[mindfake]

I find it laughable that the mucha boys and the other 24's think they are helping horde. It really shows how shortsighted they all are.



What is it you imagine will happen?

We grinded a bunch of honor and killed alot of hunters, end of story. Really? More likely is the ton of P2P alliance 20's will increase in lvl or roll another toon. You can already see signs of it.

What then when you lose, and lose you surely will.. "Well it's because the randoms on alliance side are better geared than the randoms on our side. And the sun was in my screen and the ref..." So you won't meet 24's all the time, great! you can steamroll some 20's for "Horde Justice" while the alliance 24's steamroll horde 20's.

And soon enough some of you will get tired of losing everytime you meet the 24's and just level the toon or leave it.

The bracket now has a ton of 24 alliance players and the 20's alliance are still wiping the floor with horde 20's, i mean, how would horde get better with a constant babysitter. And the bracket dies a little more.. most of the EU players are looong gone while the 24's fight it out. Making toons on their home servers. The dream of a bracket without massively boosted stats and instant gibs has died, along with the american dream and so many before it.

 

[allahkazam]

I find it laughable that the mucha boys and the other 24's think they are helping horde. It really shows how shortsighted they all are.



What is it you imagine will happen?

We grinded a bunch of honor and killed alot of hunters, end of story. Really? More likely is the ton of P2P alliance 20's will increase in lvl or roll another toon. You can already see signs of it.

What then when you lose, and lose you surely will.. "Well it's because the randoms on alliance side are better geared than the randoms on our side. And the sun was in my screen and the ref..." So you won't meet 24's all the time, great! you can steamroll some 20's for "Horde Justice" while the alliance 24's steamroll horde 20's.

And soon enough some of you will get tired of losing everytime you meet the 24's and just level the toon or leave it.

The bracket now has a ton of 24 alliance players and the 20's alliance are still wiping the floor with horde 20's, i mean, how would horde get better with a constant babysitter. And the bracket dies a little more.. most of the EU players are looong gone while the 24's fight it out. Making toons on their home servers. The dream of a bracket without massively boosted stats and instant gibs has died, along with the american dream and so many before it.

less QQ moar pew pew

 

[Kore nametooshort]

I do not think that F2P will get their own exp off bracket any time soon. There is no solution that will get genuine new players out of the same battlegrounds as 24 twinks and F2P twinks. Given their track record I do not expect Blizzard to move them out of the 24's without fixing the F2P twinks anytime soon. The only solution I can see is them setting F2P players stats when they enter a BG and then have that BG available only to F2P. Something along the lines of upon entering a battleground at level 20 on a trial account your health is set at 600, your ap at 200, your crit at 15% etc etc. This isn't very elegant however.

 

[twinkeradin]

I do not think that F2P will get their own exp off bracket any time soon. There is no solution that will get genuine new players out of the same battlegrounds as 24 twinks and F2P twinks. Given their track record I do not expect Blizzard to move them out of the 24's without fixing the F2P twinks anytime soon. The only solution I can see is them setting F2P players stats when they enter a BG and then have that BG available only to F2P. Something along the lines of upon entering a battleground at level 20 on a trial account your health is set at 600, your ap at 200, your crit at 15% etc etc. This isn't very elegant however.

I don't think they are worried about f2p twinks yet. I think there are enough restrictions enough to force the F2P'rs to P2P if they can.



I don't even think Blizzard regocnizes the appeal of the F2P twink in the first place, unless they become very numerous, even then I'd doubt that they would monitor such a thing.



But I think they do regocnize and evaluate things wich effect the income of new players. Such things include but are not limited to, the low level PvP balance. A simple most elegant fix would simply be to allow the F2P people to play in the levelling bracket regardless of being max level or not.

 

[Spryness]

A simple most elegant fix would simply be to allow the F2P people to play in the levelling bracket regardless of being max level or not.

Agreed. There's also the possibility to moving the level cap to 19 or 24 to give F2P a more level playing field. Blizzard introducing level restrictions on enchants would be great as well. They've been there for armor kits since day 1; it's been long overdue.

 

[thurghul]

When Warhammer Online introduced the unlimited free trials, it made the PVP amazing in that bracket. BG's popped quick, there were tons of people in the zones where the F2P were, RVR lakes were packed.



I think Blizzard is aiming for the same. Before F2P, I would never see anyone in low level zones while playing. Now, I am seeing a lot of people.



I know the F2P going into its own bracket is a pipe dream. The whole purpose was to get more people in the low level zones for ALL players so it looks like there a ton of people playing.

 

[yasueh]

Upping the max trial level to 24 would make a huge amount of sense, along with trade skills to 150, especially considering that the trial limit has been 20 since max level was 60. With the max level now being 85, the trial limits should be adjusted relative to it.

 

[Mnkey]

Mucka Mucka Mucka!

 

[roudy]

Mucka Mucka Mucka!

does that translate into needed 4 extra levels to win?

 

[saxxon]

it translates to "Play hard, Muck hard"

 

[Pookums]

Upping the max trial level to 24 would make a huge amount of sense, along with trade skills to 150, especially considering that the trial limit has been 20 since max level was 60. With the max level now being 85, the trial limits should be adjusted relative to it.

^THIS^ All the way

 

[shanker]

either way...i'm sure blizzard is getting feedback concerning actual new account type prospects getting owned by 20 twinks and 24 twinks.



sure they are also getting feedback one the GY farming they are experiencing, imbalance in gear, etc



blizzard has trolls who do search outside their own forums to see what is being said, exploited, hacked, etc



i have been doing WHO searches on horde 20's and asking them if they are F2P. questioning without leading them.....alot of them have negative thoughts about the game once they hit 20 and BG'd, many think alliance is OP compared to horde, they don't know why they are getting wiped in bgs, they have no clue about armory, getting professions, list just goes on and on.

 

[allahkazam]

if trials were 24, it would be whining about enchants that p2p players can get as opposed to f2p. it would always be something.

 

[Mcmurphy]

I think Blizzard will eventually at some point allow F2P level 20 to join the levelling ques. Why? Just take a look at this: MUCKA MAD BOYS



Imagine how new players trying PvP feel when they play against twinks double or triple their HP. Not exactly fair and probably not something Blizzard will tolerate, as F2P's cant trade and afford any expensive enchants.

Seriously what do you expect? Someone too lazy to pay (and don't give me this crap about not being able to afford it... if you can afford to spend time playing wow on a pc that supports wow with an internet connection you're not getting my sympathy) that joins the que totally oblivious to anything concerned with their class (hunters with int gear... etc,etc) expect to have fun? Ok so look at this scenario, blizz put L2P in the normal brackets, some get good... get almost fully BiS (minus enchants). So, genius, how do you think the paying cutomers will feel when someone that doesn't pay is rolling lowbie undergears without having to worry about leveling. Didn't think of that one did ye?

 

[Shockur]

Trials should be in separate bracket or trial level cap extended to 24. Being in the lvling brackets is not an option, it is something that has been abused at 60 and 70 for a long time, and blizz put capped accounts in locked XP brackets for that exact reason.

 

[Mcmurphy]

I think that f2p 19 will be the future lol...

I think ima make a 19 alliance hunter/rogue on a PvP server, so I can have some fun in world pvp and play some bgs every now and then... Not having a mount will suck tho, at least on my 19 druid I have travel form, but it's not a good class to world pvp with.

^ This is why the level 19 Xp lock experience is falling apart atm.

 

[Pwnadin]

Not that Dev is perfect in anyway, but it's TRIAL TRIAL TRIAL people. This bracket is recognized as a twink bracket. They're not going to cater to it. I'd be willing to put anything on it that we will not see changes. Enjoy it for what it is or .... don't play. I love the f2p bracket even though I have a p2p account. I'm not whining about anything nor do I have any expectations. Take it for what it is. Stop the crying and enjoy the game. We are forgetting these are trial accounts. Blizzard like any business/company/corporation is out to make money. The intent of the trials was to bring more players into the game. Players who pay. More players, more money. I'm just riding it out until Diablo 3 hits, then it's adios WoW

 

[Tinkerton]

Trials should be in separate bracket or trial level cap extended to 24. Being in the lvling brackets is not an option, it is something that has been abused at 60 and 70 for a long time, and blizz put capped accounts in locked XP brackets for that exact reason.

The current limitations of Trials and the current situation in the BoA Battlegrounds does make it markedly different from the old 60/70/80 situation though: no top Enchants, not much in consumables or BoE's, no Grouping, no trade, only a handful of items versus full kit, 'chants and - lest we forget - formerly top of the bracket in just one Battleground (AV) which was cause for alarm amongst the Heirloom Heroes every CtA (even sillier in the EU, where 51-60/61-70 AV popped in only two Battlegroups outside CtA).



Frankly, considering Wryxian's words and similar experiences to Shanker, I wouldn't be too surprised if Blizzard does away with the XP-Lock NPC's and/or places the Trial accounts in the Regular queues.



One last note: Trial accounts are there to entice people to p(l)ay the game so making it an awful experience does not make good business sense.

 

[allahkazam]

I really don't think the xp on bracket needs (more) geared players who are going to GY camp and farm.

 

[yasueh]

Starter Edition is not the same as a trial account. So long as there's the option to continue to play it indefinitely, it can't be called a trial, that's merely one of the purposes to which it can be put, not it's defining feature (It's more of a 'WoW Lite'). Blizzard knew full well that there would be people who would play it exclusively if they took the time limit off. Only time will tell if they have plans to 'monetise' Starter Edition, in ways other than just hoping people using it will buy the full game, because once you've given people the ability to play for free, you want to make money off them somehow, even if they don't want to pay subscriptions.