Thought police

[Walrusbreath]

How am I a neo-fascist? I literally said idgaf if you're white, black, yellow or a pink unicorn. Guess I should have included Walrus as well. My bad.

You can claim you're for equal rights for all (white, black, yellow, etc.), but it's your backpedaling and obfuscation that gives it away. "Depends on your location" for women's equal pay, that things have been "debunked" (nice when it suits your agenda), blaming this on "Marxism", claiming everything short of right-wingnuttery is "extreme liberalism", conjuring up extremes like Stalin and Mao but conveniently leaving out the other extremes like Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco, and so on. Then posting a pic of Der Orange Furor sort of tops it off.

 

[Bestworld]

You can claim you're for equal rights for all (white, black, yellow, etc.), but it's your backpedaling and obfuscation that gives it away. "Depends on your location" for women's equal pay, that things have been "debunked" (nice when it suits your agenda), blaming this on "Marxism", and so on. Then posting a pic of Der Orange Furor sort of tops it off.

Backpedaling and obfuscation? Where?

"Depends on your location" is addressing that the issue isn't world-wide when it comes to the gender pay gap. There are countries where gender pay gap is an issue, and there are countries where it is not. In the US, the gender pay gap is a myth, and has been debunked several times, look it up lol. I'm not saying to not address the issue where it's relevant obviously.

And "blaming" Marxism is because it is literally the ideology it sprung from, like what? In what ideology do you get an ideal image of equality where literally EVERYTHING is equal. Oh, Marxism, cool. Thing is, an ideology like this doesn't work in the long run. Again, I turn to my previous examples with Russia, China, Cuba when they were under heavy Marxist rule.

"Der Orange Furor". You. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Me.

Do you know what a fucking meme is? Like Jesus Christ, I feel like I'm dealing with a special needs person right now, honestly. And none of your arguments in the post I quoted has to do with neo-fascism anyhow, like what are you even trying to do?

 

[Ohai]

What the hell. "Evidence is right in front of you". You're linking to a socialist site who are the ones claiming to be wronged. There are no additional sources in the article. All I have is their word that they are being persecuted by Google. I should find some canned response from google saying "Well, we aren't censoring" and throw it back at you and say "Evidence is right in front of you Google says they aren't" and it would be just about as valid.

For a guy claiming to have critical thinking skills.... you sure do latch on to a bullshit conspiracy REAL quick. Lets take it back for a second. Can you think of any world events between last October and this April that might have boosted web traffic searching for socialism? Perhaps a national election? Lets see what else they say about timing - oh look "It’s a three-year low for both Truthout and The Real News...". Take a look at the following graph (in before "provided by google - disregarded"):

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 5-y&geo=US&q=/m/06nsn

Bernie was a "democratic socialist" and his popularity brought the searches for such ideology to an all time high in the primaries, and it lingered through the general election. During the interim, its dropped down to where it was 3 or even 4 years ago. Occam's razor.

It sounds so much better if you say there was a precipitous drop since April. The reality is there has been a precipitious drop since November, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

 

[Walrusbreath]

OK, let's "look it up lol". This is a U.S. Census Bureau chart:

http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

"Did you know that in 2015, women working full time in the United States typically were paid just 80 percent of what men were paid, a gap of 20 percent? While the number has gone up one percentage point from 2014, the change isn’t statistically significant — because the increase is so small, mere tenths of a percent, it doesn’t amount to perceptible change. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the earnings ratio hasn’t had significant annual change since 2007. The gap has narrowed since the 1970s, due largely to women’s progress in education and workforce participation and to men’s wages rising at a slower rate. Still, the pay gap does not appear likely to go away on its own. At the rate of change between 1960 and 2015, women are expected to reach pay equity with men in 2059. But even that slow progress has stalled in recent years. If change continues at the slower rate seen since 2001, women will not reach pay equity with men until 2152."

So much for your stupid shit.

No, "equality" doesn't come from Marxism per se. It comes from the general principles of The Enlightenment or the Age of Reason from the 18th century, for example as expressed in the national motto of France after the Revolution - "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" meaning "liberty, equality, fraternity", not to mention the U.S. Bill of Rights and Constitution. One could argue that it even goes back as far as ancient Greece and the beginnings of democracy.

If you're posting pix of Trump with captions, then that just about says it all.

 

[Walrusbreath]

What the hell. "Evidence is right in front of you". You're linking to a socialist site who are the ones claiming to be wronged. There are no additional sources in the article. All I have is their word that they are being persecuted by Google. I should find some canned response from google saying "Well, we aren't censoring" and throw it back at you and say "Evidence is right in front of you Google says they aren't" and it would be just about as valid.

For a guy claiming to have critical thinking skills.... you sure do latch on to a bullshit conspiracy REAL quick. Lets take it back for a second. Can you think of any world events between last October and this April that might have boosted web traffic searching for socialism? Perhaps a national election? Lets see what else they say about timing - oh look "It’s a three-year low for both Truthout and The Real News...". Take a look at the following graph (in before "provided by google - disregarded"):

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 5-y&geo=US&q=/m/06nsn

Bernie was a "democratic socialist" and his popularity brought the searches for such ideology to an all time high in the primaries, and it lingered through the general election. During the interim, its dropped down to where it was 3 or even 4 years ago. Occam's razor.

It sounds so much better if you say there was a precipitous drop since April. The reality is there has been a precipitious drop since November, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

I'm sure WSWS has no problem producing the results of the independent data analysis that was found that they've quoted.

OTOH, we have your BS quoting from Google, the very company that is under question here. That wouldn't be biased and less than accurate, now would it?

 

[Ohai]

"Did you know that in 2015, women working full time in the United States typically were paid just 80 percent of what men were paid, a gap of 20 percent? While the number has gone up one percentage point from 2014, the change isn’t statistically significant — because the increase is so small, mere tenths of a percent, it doesn’t amount to perceptible change. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the earnings ratio hasn’t had significant annual change since 2007. The gap has narrowed since the 1970s, due largely to women’s progress in education and workforce participation and to men’s wages rising at a slower rate. Still, the pay gap does not appear likely to go away on its own. At the rate of change between 1960 and 2015, women are expected to reach pay equity with men in 2059. But even that slow progress has stalled in recent years. If change continues at the slower rate seen since 2001, women will not reach pay equity with men until 2152."

I suggest you do some reading yourself, after "explanatory factors" the pay gap is closer to 7%:
http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/g...and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf

In case reading is something you have an issue with, skip to Figure 10. So much for your paragraph highlighting 20%. Comically its the same site quietly admitting that you can explain about 2/3rds of the pay gap, leaving 7% unaccounted for. This is where things like socialization regarding negotiation might just make the difference between the sexes. The pay gap is not a myth. Unfortunately it's also entirely overblown, and in some places in like-for-like jobs it's nonexistent.

 

[Ohai]

I'm sure WSWS has no problem producing the results of the independent data analysis that was found that they've quoted.

OTOH, we have your BS quoting from Google, the very company that is under question here. That wouldn't be biased and less than accurate, now would it?

The problem is that they didn't produce it. It's not my job to chase down proof of their allegation. Maybe they should suck less at sourcing claims. Moreover - I'm not bringing into doubt the fact that less people are searching for their shitty website. That's probably accurate, it's the reason why that is in question. Luckily, all we have is a single quote from google, time to formulate a way to be persecuted!

And yeah, I thought you'd say that. As I said, it's about par with your source for the conspiracy. More importantly the rest of the paragraph you ignored is the important part - there just isn't a burning curiosity regarding socialism now that the election cycle is over. I think their SEO conspiracy just speaks to your inner special needs in a way that I can't.

 

[Walrusbreath]

I suggest you do some reading yourself, after "explanatory factors" aka everything that MYT is likely talking about, the pay gap is closer to 7%:
http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/g...and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf

In case reading is something you have an issue with, skip to Figure 10. So much for your paragraph highlighting 20%. Comically its the same site quietly admitting that you can explain about 2/3rds of the pay gap, leaving 7% unaccounted for. This is where things like socialization regarding negotiation might just make the difference between the sexes. The pay gap is not a myth. Unfortunately it's also entirely overblown, and in some places in like-for-like jobs it's nonexistent.

Which is just cherry-picking.

The chart and paragraph I quoted is:

"Women's Median Annual Earnings as a percentage of Men's Median Annual Earnings for Full-Time Year-Round Workers"

That means it takes into account all full-time workers, not just those with a year or more college.

Thx for playing, Skippy.

 

[Walrusbreath]

The problem is that they didn't produce it. It's not my job to chase down proof of their allegation. Maybe they should suck less at sourcing claims. Moreover - I'm not bringing into doubt the fact that less people are searching for their shitty website. That's probably accurate, it's the reason why that is in question. Luckily, all we have is a single quote from google, time to formulate a way to be persecuted!

And yeah, I thought you'd say that. As I said, it's about par with your source for the conspiracy. More importantly the rest of the paragraph you ignored is the important part - there just isn't a burning curiosity regarding socialism now that the election cycle is over. I think their SEO conspiracy just speaks to your inner special needs in a way that I can't.

All of which is completely contradicted by the Google exec himself stating that they've changed their search algorithms, that Google itself has arbitrarily decided what hits go to the top and what sites go 'x' pages down. That is censorship pure and simple. I didn't see any right-wing sites in that list, only left-leaning ones.

 

[Ohai]

Which is just cherry-picking.

The chart and paragraph I quoted is:

"Women's Median Annual Earnings as a percentage of Men's Median Annual Earnings for Full-Time Year-Round Workers"

That means it takes into account all full-time workers, not just those with a year or more college.

Thx for playing, Skippy.

I'd just like to point out that you're lumping together all men and all women and comparing the salary rates and ignoring all those factors the study I linked adjusts for (Education, Career Choices).

Apparently everyone running businesses in our country are retarded. None of them have come to the realization they could simply save 20% on their payroll budget by hiring exclusively women! BRB, I'm gonna be fucking rich.

 

[madhombre]

hippity hoppity

women are property

 

[Walrusbreath]

I'd just like to point out that you're lumping together all men and all women and comparing the salary rates and ignoring all those factors the study I linked adjusts for (Education, Career Choices).

Apparently everyone running businesses in our country are moronic. None of them have come to the realization they could simply save 20% on their payroll budget by hiring exclusively women! BRB, I'm gonna be trucking rich.

Because you idiot, when you look at things like this you include all relevant people - like anyone that is a full-time worker. You don't just cherry-pick the best results based on education, experience, race, age, or whatever, unless you're looking for a narrow, specific parameter.

 

[Ohai]

OTOH, we have your BS quoting from Google, the very company that is under question here. That wouldn't be biased and less than accurate, now would it?

Additionally, you've now expanded the conspiracy from just rearranging the search results using an algorithm, to lying about the number of searches made for socialism. Interesting.

 

[Walrusbreath]

Additionally, you've now expanded the conspiracy from just rearranging the search results using an algorithm, to lying about the number of searches made for socialism. Interesting.

I haven't "expanded" anything. That's what the exec said and the investigation data bears it out. It isn't just "rearranging" the hit results.

You're trying too hard and still losing. Go do a 29 BG you'll have better results.

 

[Ohai]

Because you idiot, when you look at things like this you include all relevant people - like anyone that is a full-time worker. You don't just cherry-pick the best results based on education, experience, race, age, or whatever, unless you're looking for a narrow, specific parameter.

Call center specialists don't make as much as coal miners, will we ever find the true source of this injustice? Tune in at 11.

I'm done, you're helpless.

 

[Bestworld]

OK, let's "look it up lol". This is a U.S. Census Bureau chart:

http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

"Did you know that in 2015, women working full time in the United States typically were paid just 80 percent of what men were paid, a gap of 20 percent? While the number has gone up one percentage point from 2014, the change isn’t statistically significant — because the increase is so small, mere tenths of a percent, it doesn’t amount to perceptible change. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the earnings ratio hasn’t had significant annual change since 2007. The gap has narrowed since the 1970s, due largely to women’s progress in education and workforce participation and to men’s wages rising at a slower rate. Still, the pay gap does not appear likely to go away on its own. At the rate of change between 1960 and 2015, women are expected to reach pay equity with men in 2059. But even that slow progress has stalled in recent years. If change continues at the slower rate seen since 2001, women will not reach pay equity with men until 2152."

So much for your stupid shit.

No, "equality" doesn't come from Marxism per se. It comes from the general principles of The Enlightenment or the Age of Reason from the 18th century, for example as expressed in the national motto of France after the Revolution - "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" meaning "liberty, equality, fraternity", not to mention the U.S. Bill of Rights and Constitution. One could argue that it even goes back as far as ancient Greece and the beginnings of democracy.

If you're posting pix of Trump with captions, then that just about says it all.

Dude, seriously. The graph you are presenting is literally going to help me prove my point. Thank you.

Your graph is insanely vague. It doesn't go into specifics at all. What you see is that men earns more on an annual income, correct. That is because men tend to sit on higher earning jobs. If you want a true statistic to back your claims, find one that compare the income of males and females performing the exact same task, under the exact same occupation and have the exact same educational background and experience. Then you will see that there is no gender pay gap. At all. And if you find a workplace that does have a wage gap despite these criteria, then you can rain fucking hell down upon them, because that's discrimination.

What you are presenting here is literally what so many bandwagons on, because, "oh hey, it's a statistic, so it must be true", when a lot of people need to really understand the underlining to said statistic in order for it to become valid. This is why it's so bloody easy to manipulate viewpoints.

This is Thomas Sowell debunking your claims in short 5 minutes going as far back as the 80s.

There are tons of updated data on the subject, but you are too focused on your biased viewpoint that you post the first statistic you find, or select one that will purposely back up your claims, when what you are really lacking is details. Details are important and shouldn't be overlooked.

Also, I am not saying that equality itself comes from Marxism. What I am saying is that the viewpoints of "equality" brought forward in the ideals that is presented in this topic is sprung from Marxism. The whole post-modernist, SJW mindset.

If I am going to break down the whole Marxism > post-modernism, then it'll be a whole book. A topic a lot of people has already covered, people who are way more well-versed than I am. So you can look that up.

So yeah... "so much for your stupid shit".

 

[Walrusbreath]

Call center specialists don't make as much as coal miners, will we ever find the true source of this injustice? Tune in at 11.

I'm done, you're helpless.

You're done because you're an idiot that can't spin the facts. They are what they are whether you like it or not.

The chart above makes no distinction between job types. It accounts for ALL full-time workers, men's pay compared to women's in ALL job types. Women make on average 80% of what men do across the board.

The end.

 

[Walrusbreath]

Dude, seriously. The graph you are presenting is literally going to help me prove my point. Thank you.

Your graph is insanely vague. It doesn't go into specifics at all. What you see is that men earns more on an annual income, correct. That is because men tend to sit on higher earning jobs. If you want a true statistic to back your claims, find one that compare the income of males and females performing the exact same task, under the exact same occupation and have the exact same educational background and experience. Then you will see that there is no gender pay gap. At all. And if you find a workplace that does have a wage gap despite these criteria, then you can rain trucking hell down upon them, because that's discrimination.

What you are presenting here is literally what so many bandwagons on, because, "oh hey, it's a statistic, so it must be true", when a lot of people need to really understand the underlining to said statistic in order for it to become valid. This is why it's so bloody easy to manipulate viewpoints.

This is Thomas Sowell debunking your claims in short 5 minutes going as far back as the 80s.

There are tons of updated data on the subject, but you are too focused on your biased viewpoint that you post the first statistic you find, or select one that will purposely back up your claims, when what you are really lacking is details. Details are important and shouldn't be overlooked.

Also, I am not saying that equality itself comes from Marxism. What I am saying is that the viewpoints of "equality" brought forward in the ideals that is presented in this topic is sprung from Marxism. The whole post-modernist, SJW mindset.

If I am going to break down the whole Marxism > post-modernism, then it'll be a whole book. A topic a lot of people has already covered, people who are way more well-versed than I am. So you can look that up.

So yeah... "so much for your stupid shit".

You did say the notion or ideal of equality came from Marxism/EVUL SOCIALISM!!1

And I've proven you pathetically wrong, as I have the rest of your diatribe. Get the fuck over it, Mr. Trumpkin.

 

[Bestworld]

You did say the notion or ideal of equality came from Marxism/EVUL SOCIALISM!!1

And I've proven you pathetically wrong, as I have the rest of your diatribe. Get the duck over it, Mr. Trumpkin.

You haven't proven me wrong at all. From your answer, it's as if you didn't even read my response, let alone watch the video.

I presented you with a different viewpoint that has facts. When those facts hit you, you hit back with personal slander instead of addressing the topic, and you clearly still don't know what a meme is apparently.

It's fine, we have different "opinions". As long as you call it an "opinion" I'm fine with it, because what you are presenting is misinformation with the wrong facts to back it up.

 

[Bestworld]

A few quick questions @Walrusbreath

Is the world flat? Are chem trails real? Does NASA brush UFO's off satellite images? Is Bigfoot real?

I need to know what kind of person I'm dealing with here.