This is getting out of hand.

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Bass said:
View attachment 554Wtf is wrong with people?
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I can totally relate to that...

Well, as long as Blizzard doesn't seem to give us our own bracket (which will never happen) there WILL BE 24s trying to push the epeen they've lost in end-game content back by ganking someone 4lvls below them (I personally have nothing against 'real' lvl 20 twinks actually iykwim)

And even though I thought that 24s would somehow die down a little bit when MoP hit it doesn't seem like that's the case...
 
Yeah. Its beginning to ruin my game experience, and i actually dont want to play BG's anymore. But i cant see how these 24's can play BG's all day without feeling like dicks?
 
its those keyboard turning 24s that 90% of the time gy camp and think the idea is "fun". once got camped by 3 shadowpriests who couldnt even fake cast to save there lifes. just spamming fear/fiend thingy bubbling. ALOT OF SKILLZ IS REQUIRED TO PLAY SP.
 
Oh I'm sorry, is your game experience that you don't pay for being ruined? Blizzard isn't going to improve F2P game experience. It is the way it is to encourage people to buy the game.

Don't want to get farmed by these garbage 24's? Pay for the game. Otherwise you really have NO RIGHT to complain, because YOU CONTRIBUTE LITERALLY NOTHING to the people who made this game.

No one's making you play this game. Go play LoL or something.
 
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La'Haryl said:
Oh I'm sorry, is your game experience that you don't pay for being ruined? Blizzard isn't going to improve F2P game experience. It is the way it is to encourage people to buy the game.

Don't want to get farmed by these garbage 24's? Pay for the game. Otherwise you really have NO RIGHT to complain, because YOU CONTRIBUTE LITERALLY NOTHING to the people who made this game.

No one's making you play this game. Go play LoL or something.
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The point of trials is to get new people into the game. Making it suck discourages people from paying, because its safe to assume the rest of the game is like this (which it is). The only people who would be encouraged to pay are diehard addicts, and doubtlessly they pay already, so it's not directed at them.
 
I've maybe run into one *big problem* 24 in my last few dozen games. Most are completely killable with a good team. No where near as bad as pre-patch, it's already improved more than we could hope to expect, I don't see the problem.
 
Obviously 5 24s is just pure bullshit, and I would've afk'd from that game long ago. But tbh MoP has imporved the 24s issue a lot, I've had a lot of games with 2 24s on alliance and 0 on horde, where we've won easily, in cata one 24 hunter would always significantly decrease odds of winning.
 
La'Haryl said:
Oh I'm sorry, is your game experience that you don't pay for being ruined? Blizzard isn't going to improve F2P game experience. It is the way it is to encourage people to buy the game.

Don't want to get farmed by these garbage 24's? Pay for the game. Otherwise you really have NO RIGHT to complain, because YOU CONTRIBUTE LITERALLY NOTHING to the people who made this game.

No one's making you play this game. Go play LoL or something.
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At which point did i say that i didnt have a P2P account?
 
True the trial version is to get people interested in the game, and that the 24 twinks ruin the 20 twinks, both P2P and F2P's fun. But we as F2P twinks in turn ruin the potential buyer's fun by rofling them every time they step out of the graveyard. 24's are bad, but don't place all the blame on them.

@Bass welcome to the F2P bracket, or the 20-24 bracket in general. a 24's purpose is to make a mostly even match uneven. Its really the only enjoyment I see them getting out of this bracket. And I only know a few people who could go toe to toe with a 24 and win. And those people are few and in between. The only solution you have to battling 24's is to make a premade of people you work well with, or to hide when they start their domination run. Eventually you will get used to it.
 
Oh I'm sorry, is your game experience that you don't pay for being ruined? Blizzard isn't going to improve F2P game experience. It is the way it is to encourage people to buy the game.

Don't want to get farmed by these garbage 24's? Pay for the game. Otherwise you really have NO RIGHT to complain, because YOU CONTRIBUTE LITERALLY NOTHING to the people who made this game.

No one's making you play this game. Go play LoL or something.
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I had a paying sub from vanilla to near the end of wotlk (and half a month of cata), so I'd like to imagine that someone in my position could ask for a few things to be improved. That aside, 24s Gy camping you is not a reason to buy or play the game, I'd say its the exact opposite.

Furthermore, La'Haryl, when you suggest this as a way to encourage people to buy the game, what you are suggesting is that the game is not simply pay-to-play, it is pay-to-win. A pay to win game works on the premise of "If you do not buy, you cannot excel," and such a notion is essentially negative reinforcement in that the only reason to pay Blizzard is so that now you can stomp on people too. You are paying Blizzard not to play the game, but so you can now "ruin" other players.

The whole thing is so conductive to negativity... It's like a snake that coils around on itself, and begins eating its own tail.
 
Kearbear said:
I've maybe run into one *big problem* 24 in my last few dozen games. Most are completely killable with a good team. No where near as bad as pre-patch, it's already improved more than we could hope to expect, I don't see the problem.
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You only say that because you are a druid. Nothing is a problem to you. 24 fails gy farming is nothing new. They just went from hunts to spriests and druids
 
If they split the brackets up by 3 levels instead of 5 someone would still complain about 22s camping. It could still be 29s trolling you, so that's something. And it doesn't matter if you have a p2p account or if you've thrown a million dollars at Blizzard since the alpha, the fact is you're playing on a trial account at lvl 20 in a 24 bracket. Not exactly sure if you're aware of that. You chose to stick it out and spend hours upon hours gearing up a toon that will just get farmed anyways. Accept it. Move along.
 
Roll 19s, get organised, and deny 24s any satisfaction, because the only satisfaction they're getting now is from farming people who have actually put a lot of effort into their 20s, and are trying to get decent, balanced games. If it was just them and complete newbies on trials in bad gear, the farming would be no more challenging than fighting mobs, and just as boring. Then once the newbies stop queueing, the 20-24 xp locked bracket would be dead.

If I see enough people rolling on AP with 19s, I might even put some work into an addon to help 'queue' for wargames.
 
Yasueh said:
Roll 19s, get organised, and deny 24s any satisfaction, because the only satisfaction they're getting now is from farming people who have actually put a lot of effort into their 20s, and are trying to get decent, balanced games. If it was just them and complete newbies on trials in bad gear, the farming would be no more challenging than fighting mobs, and just as boring. Then once the newbies stop queueing, the 20-24 xp locked bracket would be dead.

If I see enough people rolling on AP with 19s, I might even put some work into an addon to help 'queue' for wargames.
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Trials can't lock their xp at 19 or at any point for that matter.
Wonders could be done if it were possible however.
 
Lillhunter said:
You only say that because you are a druid. Nothing is a problem to you. 24 fails gy farming is nothing new. They just went from hunts to spriests and druids
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Damn straight nothing is a problem for me. Just like no hunters complained about 24s even the slightest bit pre-mop.

No seriously. 24s no longer run around one shotting things, and they're not completely impossible to kill. Had one 24 that was in 3 days of games and they were a resto druid so there you are. Also I'm not talking about them being a problem for me, I'm talking about a problem for my team. Since WSG is now a team game that requires a concerted effort to down a good efc it's pretty easy to notice when a team is achieving results or not as a unit, not just me as a single player. On my own I cannot kill a good 24 druid. But a good team can, and does, and has, with no 24s on our side. I consider this an improvement on games where good 24s = give up they're gonna one shot the whole field.

Now maybe I'm off hand about this because I haven't run into many 24 premades, maybe its the weird hours I play who knows. But this relative minority of games isn't really anything to get feathers ruffled over; the 24s pay to have an advantage, they get an advantage, and if they premade a full or majority team they win because of their advantage. Yay for them, and they can enjoy the heck out of all the extra satisfaction they get from knowing that they beat someone in an unfair fight. Doesn't effect me at all beyond the 20 min I might have to alt tab.

Single queuing 24s however,... well I'm playing an awesome moonfirespamming balance druid. I'll just take my opness and enjoy the extra challenge xD
 
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